Press pen etiquette.

Oh dear. It didn't for a moment occur to me that anything other than bits of cardboard were being swapped.
 
Circuit Hero said:
If it were my first time at something like this I'd be taking all the advice I could get whether I agreed with it or not. I wouldn't be biting the hand that feeds me...
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Unless you were me in which case you would take what's good advice and leave what's not. Not all hands feed!

It was today by the way and if I were to let the "big boys" get their shots, I wouldn't be in the good positions I got.

Sorry but that advice wasn't the best, I'm not there to play in the hiarachy or make friends, I was employed to doa job, same as everyone else.
 
Phil Young said:
Unless you were me in which case you would take what's good advice and leave what's not. Not all hands feed!

It was today by the way and if I were to let the "big boys" get their shots, I wouldn't be in the good positions I got.

Sorry but that advice wasn't the best, I'm not there to play in the hiarachy or make friends, I was employed to doa job, same as everyone else.
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Good for you standing up for yourself and doing the best job you could. I bloody hate kowtowing to folk who think they are better or should have privileges just because 'they should'. [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER]. Well done.
 
BRASH said:
Good for you standing up for yourself and doing the best job you could. I bloody hate kowtowing to folk who think they are better or should have privileges just because 'they should'. [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER]. Well done.
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Some folk seem to think because you haven't done it then you don't have the capability.

Personally I dislike this thinking.
 
Phil Young said:
Some folk seem to think because you haven't done it then you don't have the capability.

Personally I dislike this thinking.
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Agree 100%
If everyone lived by this thinking then there would never be any progress of any sort.
Anyway, how did it go Phil?
 
Phil Young said:
Sorry but that advice wasn't the best, I'm not there to play in the hiarachy or make friends, I was employed to doa job, same as everyone else.
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To be honest I would've been a bit more tactful; they obviously have past experience in these environments and if it's one you're thinking of moving into long-term you want to be making all the friends you can. I certainly didn't see anyone imply you weren't a professional nor that you were particularly inexperienced (although the nature of the title naturally does).

Anyway, that aside I'm glad the shoot went well for you.
 
Phil Young said:
It went well, I'll write up later on the laptop and give few images.

Couldn't helpbut wonder how many photographers there are on here....
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eh? surely we are all photographers on here or it would be a bit odd joining a photography forum!!!!
 
Phil Young said:
Some folk seem to think because you haven't done it then you don't have the capability.

Personally I dislike this thinking.
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Agreed. Some people really do like to over think things. You rock up, take the photos you need - preferably without being a complete arse and making others' jobs harder than they need to be. Then you all go home. There are no secret handshakes or unwritten rules you need to follow. Just act like a decent person as you would anywhere else in life.

FWIW I shoot at these things all the time, as 'the official' alongside all the press guys - which sounds more like the position you may have been in. It goes one of two ways: if one of the well known old press guys who knows every celeb and their cousin from the A list to the Z list is there, we often just let him run the wall and greet people because it's easier; then everyone else shoots second. If not, or if the event organisers ask for it, or I need to be shooting something away from the wall in the next couple of minutes - then the official photographer comes first, press guys second. Works fine, everyone's happy, everyone gets their jobs done.

It's really pretty straightforward stuff.
 
Circuit Hero said:
To be honest I would've been a bit more tactful; they obviously have past experience in these environments and if it's one you're thinking of moving into long-term you want to be making all the friends you can.
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...it's not, it was a one off job. I couldn't think of anything worse to sap my love for photography, it was bad enough working with families lol.

That's a personal thing, not knocking the press.
 
Jayst84 said:
Agreed. Some people really do like to over think things. You rock up, take the photos you need - preferably without being a complete arse and making others' jobs harder than they need to be. Then you all go home. There are no secret handshakes or unwritten rules you need to follow. Just act like a decent person as you would anywhere else in life.

FWIW I shoot at these things all the time, as 'the official' alongside all the press guys - which sounds more like the position you may have been in. It goes one of two ways: if one of the well known old press guys who knows every celeb and their cousin from the A list to the Z list is there, we often just let him run the wall and greet people because it's easier; then everyone else shoots second. If not, or if the event organisers ask for it, or I need to be shooting something away from the wall in the next couple of minutes - then the official photographer comes first, press guys second. Works fine, everyone's happy, everyone gets their jobs done.

It's really pretty straightforward stuff.
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I can see how it works that way now - not so much for today but I can imagine at red carpet events etc it would be exactly as you put.
 
So today was an event where Prince William came to show his face at a coach core venue. I've done plenty of events including gigs, christenings, weddings, parties etc but not actually been mingling with the press as such before - hence the reason for the thread. Didn't want to be stepping on any toes etc or not abiding by any hidden rules.

What I was overwhelmed by was the way everyone knew each other! They all seemed to be best friends, which is pretty cool I guess, for them.

In terms of shooting, pretty straight forward. Most important thing I found was to be on the ball and always be aware of where the subjects are coming from and where your best location is. Then get there before anyone else!

There was a mutual respect from everyone to everyone, as people suggested. There was no "let me get my shot" as everyone understood we were all there for the same thing.

The biggest thing I took from the day was that some photographers just have too much money!!! Serious equipment...

So glad he was in the jumper he was - 3D tracking worked a treat with it (tamron 70-200mm is just amazing with the AF).

Here's a couple of shots; (sorry for the heavy watermark)

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inkiboo said:
That's nice but if you are caught doing it while working for a major news agency you will never work for them or indeed any other again.

Putting your name to a photo that isn't yours destroys editorial integrity and the ability of people to trust the source of photos.
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Are you saying that "Give us a neg" never existed ? :exit:
 
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