Police sniffer dog rarley acurate......

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sounds to me like someone has a new soap box they want to try out.

as previously mentioned you dont have to be a drug user or dealer to come into contact with drugs, i forget the source of this but i read somewhere that the majority of bank notes in circulation have traces of cocain on them.

ive got no problem with being picked out by a sniffer dog, ive got nothing to hide.
 
Yes I do, then reality is that most dealers do not carry their stash with them, or waps a popular place are peoples hedges where the drugs van be stored , money exchanged and then the 'customer' is directed to the hedge.
The Facts are always friendly, and the facts at the moment point to the Inefficiency of police dogs in detecting somone carrying drugs



Er yes you do. intermating that because I live in a semi rural area that I did know the reality of drug use. dont think it does not go on here



Back to the Mail on Sunday then :)


Hmmm :thinking:. So how do the drugs get to the hedge then? Is it a crack hedge (which grows its own) or does the dealer take it, on his person, and then stash it there (carrying ALL the drugs in his pocket, making him even more suseptable to a police sniffer dog!!)?

NO drug dealer would stash a whole supply in a bush, this is stupid and flawed in every respect. Picture a smack addict getting his next fix. He is desparate, shaking and sweating from withdrawls and had to commit a robbery half an hour before in order to have enough to pay for his next hit. He hands over £10 to the dealer for a small bag, and the dealer directs him to a bush where his WHOLE STASH of herion is located. Do you think this desparate and trust worthy smack addict will only take £10 worth?? Of course not, he'll take the whole lot!! And anyway, most city centre dealers have difficulty finding convenient hedges... Despite saying you worked with addicts, I feel you are slightly ignorant to the real world of drugs and crime and the anguish it fuels.

Just my two cents worth as I cant stand it when people over emphasise 'civil liberties' to the extent that criminals have more rights than decent hard working people who suffer as a result of their actions. I wish we could build more prisons and fill them right up to bursting point, and not have any scum out on licence or parole because of restricted prison space, commiting even more crimes, but thats another topic for another day...
 
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As for sniffer dogs in night clubs, I bet if I breatherlised everybody in a night club most would be over the limit , It's no suprise then that a dog would find drugs in a night club, is it it really . you might as well have gone in holding a stick of Blackpool rock, tapped people on the shoulder with it and said " empty your pockets I bet staistically you would have got the same result.

Lets be honest the use of snifer dogs in clubs is just so the owners can be seen to be 'policing' their bussiness.

so hang on then, everyone that goes to nightclubs has pockets full of drugs? is this what your suggesting? because thats how it reads. it seems that if the sniffer dogs have no ability to pick out drugs on a person then a pretty much 100% success rate (ill regard wegotityougetits figures as correct) in a club is pretty gamn good, just wandering around with a 'stick of rock' and randomly searching people would no way yeild such results.



it must be a horrible world in which you live in where every night club is filled to the rafters with crack addicts and pill munchers, and i agree its a terrible state of affairs when a pro-drug activist is stopped by a sniffer dog but caught with no tangible evidence, dreadful as i presume this bloke has had no contact what so ever with anyone who may have been enjoying a spliff - whcih would have tainted his clothes and the smell would have allerted the dog.
 
surely the sniffer dog is there to alert the police to people who have come into contact with drugs so rather than stop everyone they only stop a small percentage of people on which the dog detects drugs, the police then search them to determine whether they are actually in posession of drugs, granted (stating the figures in that article 58 stopped and 4 charged) if they cant stop those initial 58 people they have little chance of catching the 4 of them committing an offence. regardless of whether it is inaccurate its a damnsight better than your suggested even heavier handed idea of just walking around going 'i dont like the cut of your jib sunshine' and stopping people willy nilly, atleast they have some sort of suspicion if the dog alerts them.

if i was to come into contact with a police dog which alerts its handler, i would have anything to hide, they can search me and then let me go, as i wont have done anything wrong, but regardless its good to see the police actually doing something pro-active to catch druggys (users or dealers) rather than reactive when some crackaddled ****nuckle comes along and attacks someone to steal money to fund their habit.
 
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im with CT on this, wipe yourself down after rolling a nice bit of cannabis in your hands and the dog will do handstands infront of you...and then have your girlfriend at the ready with the camera...yikes..Ive seen dog shows where the dog will go through a crowd of people and pick the man with the little back of hash out with no problems at all, dogs looking for drugs seem to work well enough, a quick google of dogs finding big stashes turns up plenty of evidence that they get the big hauls too.
 
Im curious as to why its stated they are inaccurate.

They sniff out instances of drugs, they don't have x-ray eyes to see if the drugs are still there :lol:

Sniffer dogs with xray specs, coming soon to a club near you :D
 
i already see lots of things i wouldnt want to in a nightclub. Why is it always the wimmin who SHOULD cover up and wear a bra that dont? why?
 
Oscar here seems pretty good at it......;)

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Oscar's preserving the evidence innit! :lol:
 
lol did no-one bring doggy treats??
 
What a load of tosh.

You can train any dog to sniff out various items, however, some breeds are more accurate/adept than others. I've done obedience with one of mine to a high degree and I don't have the expertise the police have.

I can't believe anyone in their right minds would believe something which was reported in the press.

Shame on you.

Lisa
 
Is this just another case of the authorites using inifficient and dishonest means to stop and search Citizens?:thinking:[/QUOTE]

NO it's bloody well not. :lol:

And what's wrong with stop and search anyway? There's far too many yobs/druggies/thieves out there on the damn streets these days. If you've got nothing to hide what's the problem???????:shrug:

Lisa
 
Hmmm . So how do the drugs get to the hedge then? Is it a crack hedge (which grows its own) or does the dealer take it, on his person, and then stash it there (carrying ALL the drugs in his pocket, making him even more suseptable to a police sniffer dog!!)?

NO drug dealer would stash a whole supply in a bush, this is stupid and flawed in every respect. Picture a smack addict getting his next fix. He is desparate, shaking and sweating from withdrawls and had to commit a robbery half an hour before in order to have enough to pay for his next hit. He hands over £10 to the dealer for a small bag, and the dealer directs him to a bush where his WHOLE STASH of herion is located. Do you think this desparate and trust worthy smack addict will only take £10 worth?? Of course not, he'll take the whole lot!! And anyway, most city centre dealers have difficulty finding convenient hedges... Despite saying you worked with addicts, I feel you are slightly ignorant to the real world of drugs and crime and the anguish it fuels.

Just my two cents worth as I cant stand it when people over emphasise 'civil liberties' to the extent that criminals have more rights than decent hard working people who suffer as a result of their actions. I wish we could build more prisons and fill them right up to bursting point, and not have any scum out on licence or parole because of restricted prison space, commiting even more crimes, but thats another topic for another day...

Takes deep breath.....

To answer your questions in order.

1, Most drug dealers are users themselves, and they sell some of their stash, very few dealers are 'Mr Bigs' they are users that swap and trade, Amphet for Diazapan for example.

Usually if they are dealing with somone they do no know well they will hide the 'deal' and then at the meet up point take the money and direct the buyer to where the drugs are hidden. The advantage is that if they are stopped by the police they may have cash but no stuff on them,most dealers do not have huge amounts of the stuff

2, I am not ignorent of the 'real world' I have worked with ex offenders and with the probation service, I am drugs trained and have had personal experience of a member of the family who was sadly lost to drug addiction, I have had my personal possesions stolen and had drug dealers knocking on the door looking to get paid , so no lectures about anguish if you please

3, As for Civil liberties they are hard won and easily lost, building more prisons will not help one iota , as you can get the same drugs in there as you can in the street , they just cost more!! If you want to halt the use of drugs then provide well paying jobs, for our young people and houses they can afford , heroin is a great excape if you have no hope :shrug:

4,The war on drugs is lost, you can now buy legal highes that replicate street drugs from the internet, and anyway alcohol is far more damaging and is cheaper to buy.

So there you have it next time you see a grim faced PC and sniffer dogs at a railway station do not delude yourself that they are fighting the war against drugs , they are infact 'going through the motions', giving a pretense that they are proactive, so the Daily Heil reading members of the public feel safer when sadly the truth is they like us all have have lost :(
 
There's far too many yobs/druggies/thieves out there on the damn streets these days.

Sad but true , most of them are MP's or drive round in Police cars ;)
 
2, I am not ignorent of the 'real world' ............................
If you want to halt the use of drugs then provide well paying jobs, for our young people and houses they can afford , heroin is a great excape if you have no hope :shrug:
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Yeh! because people in well paid jobs don't do drugs, do they? :thinking:
 
eh! because people in well paid jobs don't do drugs, do they?

They do but because they are 'well paid' they can afford to pay for the stuff, and there is a difference between the drugs that the rich and poor use and the quality.
 
They do but because they are 'well paid' they can afford to pay for the stuff, and there is a difference between the drugs that the rich and poor use and the quality.

People don't have a 'rich' gene. Being rich doesn't give you extra judgement or awareness.

Taking drugs and driving, then killing or injuring someone, is still horrific and avoidable.

Taking drugs, can have long term effects on a person, which I know you must know all about, but those effects don't stay away form the rich and only effect the poor

No one here is saying that the police are perfect, every organisation has its bad apples and corruption, but overall they are doing a harder job than the rest of us realise, and they deserve our respect. Sitting preaching is easy, getting out there and doing the job is what counts
 
So do as we are told then? ..... smacks of Orwell to me somtimes it's hard to beleive that we live in a democracy

Enter Shikari - Fanfare for the Conscious Man Lyrics:

Each nation used to provide it's country with security
With factories providing arms for their country

Now multi-national companies compete in the arms trade,
To serve any customer maximizing the money to be made

So just as farms compete to provide fruit for other countries,
So people can live to enjoy the taste of nature
National warehouses compete to provide arms around the world
To aid death and all hell unfurled.

Our gracious queen should grasp her crown
And take a good f'ing swing at Blair and Brown
For leading her country into illegal warfare
And tryna pass it off that we're doing it because we care
'Now preemptive wars are a redemptive cause.'
I've never heard such nonsense under international laws

We think we have the right to enforce 'democracy'
When we're weakening ours everyday; what hypocrisy.


F' man
I just woke up to a land where killing is a part of everyday
And every mind of this intelligent species
Is led blinded into the battlefield
Like it's natural to break instead of build

Unity's intrinsic, the only cause worth fighting for
All religions colours and creeds

Now we are the world and we are the people
We are the world and we are the people
And we will be heard...

We'll be forever against this
We'll be together against this
 
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That is the kind of comment I'd expect from someone who has something to hide.

I've got nothing to hide but that still doesn't mean I'm going to welcome or even put up with my liberties and privacy being taken away from me. You can have all the CCTV cameras you want, I'm having none of it.

Holden, I think it's time to put this to bed now, becasue you're not going to find anyone here who'll agree with you. All I can take from what you've said is that whether carrying drugs is illegal or not, you apparently condone it and think the police have no right to detect such infractions.

You'll be telling us drug use should be legal next. It's all getting too political for me.

Actually, I totally agree with him. And besides, drug use is legal. The drugs that the government find easy to regulate, of course.
 
I've got nothing to hide but that still doesn't mean I'm going to welcome or even put up with my liberties and privacy being taken away from me. You can have all the CCTV cameras you want, I'm having none of it.
So you'll be leaving the country then.:wave:
I can do exactly the same now as I could 30 years ago when I left school, so how have liberties been taken away.:thinking:

Oh no...not another one!!!..where will it all end..we're all doomed..:'(
Stick'em on a remote island somewhere and they can have all the civil liberties and privacy they want.:lol::wave:
 
Which is the lucky country which will be allowing you to do as you please then?

New Zealand. It's not about "doing as I please", it's about not having someone peering over my shoulder all the time.

Starrider asked, "where will it all end?" - the way things are going now, it'll end with GPS tracking devices in cars, microchip implants and CCTV cameras in homes. And it looks like plans are already in place to do the latter.

http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/government-wants-more-cctv-cameras-in-homes-622368
 
New Zealand. It's not about "doing as I please", it's about not having someone peering over my shoulder all the time.

Starrider asked, "where will it all end?" - the way things are going now, it'll end with GPS tracking devices in cars, microchip implants and CCTV cameras in homes. And it looks like plans are already in place to do the latter.

http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/government-wants-more-cctv-cameras-in-homes-622368

So you're a problem family eh? Probably just as well you are leaving.:)
 
:shrug: Who would I prefer to decide whether I'd been in contact with drugs?

A trained sniffer dog relying on a tangible scent
or
A police officer relying on their own opinion / judgement.

I'd choose the dog every time. Not a dig at the police . . . but they're human like the rest of us and like in any profession you get those who are good at their job and those that are poor. The fact is that even the best of them have some prejudices and preconceptions - just like anyone else.
At least the dog is making an unbiased decision based on its senses.

As for the politics of it, there has to be a sensible balance between maintaining the civil rights & privacy of the majority and enforcing the law. It's just not an easy balance to maintain.
 
If marijuana/cocaine/ecstasy etc could be regulated and taxed then they'd be just as available as tobacco/paracetamol/alcohol.

surely if they wished them to be freely available and taxed they would be, however they obviously dont, most likely due to the fact these drugs are potentially harmful (they whys and wherefores and whether they are more damaging than legal drugs im not going to get into). its not a case of 'could' its a case of 'dont want to'
 
Yes, those drugs are potentially harmful.

Seen the 'death as a result of alcohol' statistics recently? (figure of speech, i haven't but i know they'll be a hell of a lot more than 'death as a result of whacky backy' stats)

The only reason some of those drugs are potentially harmful is if they're cut with something that is harmful. I've had a lot of teaching about drugs at school and college, and was interested and so did some research myself.

I'll bet that the government could make ecstasy, ketamine and cocaine a hell of a lot safer should they be in control of it. Putting a premium government tax should also theoretically dissuade the people who buy it because it's a cheap high.

I'm not into tobacco or sleeping tablets, heck, not even slightly, but I don't condemn others because they are. The only time I would is if it were dangerous/inappropriate to others, i.e. smoking in the car while taking your kids to school.

I don't want to turn this into a drug legality debate, but I'm happy to do so, so long as it doesn't turn nasty :thumbs:

Whitewash, I totally agree, the government don't want to suddenly turn around and say "You know what kids? Coke isn't that bad. Heck, we've released some 'G-Brown Coke' straight from the PM's office for y'all... warning, it'll cost ya!"
What sort of message would that be?

Back in the early 1900's however, selling coke over the counter wasn't frowned upon.
 
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Totally objectionable and insulting! There's a limit to what should be overlooked, even with the winky smiley.

:agree: Disgusted by the remarks. Not wasting my time entertaining him.
 
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