Photographers Rights - IPhone app

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Keep hearing issues with photographers getting stopped for taking photos in public place, after checking out on YouTube I came across this app for the iPhone
Photographers Right. Check it out as its quite interesting.

Covers various countries
Your rights
Other people rights
Do and Dont's
Sample contracts

Darren
 
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Manc Man said:
Keep hearing issues with photographers getting stopped for taking photos in public place, after checking out on YouTube I came across this app for the iPhone
Photographers Right. Check it out as its quite interesting.

Covers various countries
Your rights
Other people rights
Do and Dont's
Sample contracts

Darren
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I download said app - it is interesting although I'm a bit disappointed with the grammatical mistakes and word omissions - kind of reduces its apparent authority!

Phil
 
Manc Man said:
but as a guide i found it quite informative......
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Agreed - useful to know this stuff and have it handy in case the anti-photographer Nazis are around!
 
philthejuggler said:
I download said app - it is interesting although I'm a bit disappointed with the grammatical mistakes and word omissions - kind of reduces its apparent authority!

Phil
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If it's going to cause doubt, then leave it, and use the guide on the Met Police's website. Either print it off, or save the HTML file to your iPad/Pod/Phone.
Another good one is the BSIA's "Photography and Hostile Reconaissance", although if it's private security and they're from a company that isn't associated with the BSIA, then it won't do much.
 
"Photographers Rights"?

How are they different to anyone else's rights??
 
odd jim said:
"Photographers Rights"?

How are they different to anyone else's rights??
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As we know Jim, they're not.. and these tired old threads keep popping up again and again.

Maybe we should petition for "photographer's rights" to be added to the forum swear filter? Any nominations for a suitable replacement that could be dropped in?
 
Alastair said:
As we know Jim, they're not.. and these tired old threads keep popping up again and again.

Maybe we should petition for "photographer's rights" to be added to the forum swear filter? Any nominations for a suitable replacement that could be dropped in?
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Wow that was a good post........ If your sick off this type of post about photographer's rights can i ask why did you post a comment.
 
Manc Man said:
If your sick off this type of post about photographer's rights can i ask why did you post a comment.
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To tell you he was sick of them :)

Personally I dont see the point of these apps and html or printouts.. if someone has decided (usually wrongly) that you cant photogrpah then I doubt any amount of print outs (that you could have written yourself for all they know).. will change there minds..
 
KIPAX said:
To tell you he was sick of them :)

Personally I dont see the point of these apps and html or printouts.. if someone has decided (usually wrongly) that you cant photogrpah then I doubt any amount of print outs (that you could have written yourself for all they know).. will change there minds..
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I am not interested if he likes it or not, it was a case i found the app by pure chance and thought people might want to know about it.
I title of the post says it all

Photographers Rights - IPhone app
 
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the ACPO letter might help with a misinformed cop - but only if the photographers attitude doesnt p him or her off so badly that they don't want to read it.

i can't imagine general apps and print outs having any effect at all other than making you look like a smart arse
 
Manc Man said:
Wow that was a good post........ If your sick off this type of post about photographer's rights can i ask why did you post a comment.
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Because there's always some idiot banging on about rights that can't spell responsibilities. And they're the type that make things difficult for the rest of us.
 
kennethwfd said:
necessary when we get this.......http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/officers-claim-they-dont-need-law-to-stop-photographer-taking-pictures-2012827.html

this.....http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/photographers-protest-stop-search-terrorism-police

and this...http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/08/police-search-photographer-terrorism-powers
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This is one of the videos I was watching when I came across the app. But to be fare if I was asked to move along or stop taking photos by a member of the police force I wouldn’t rant and rave I would quite happily put my camera away and or move along.
 
Alastair said:
Because there's always some idiot banging on about rights that can't spell responsibilities. And they're the type that make things difficult for the rest of us.
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How it going to make things difficult ?

To conculed,dont say anything about anything,bury your head in the sand,in case it might get difficult :(
 
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Manc Man said:
Wow that was a good post........ If your sick off this type of post about photographer's rights can i ask why did you post a comment.
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All together now,head in sand let not say anything,we dont want to round causeing touble ;)
 
Manc Man said:
This is one of the videos I was watching when I came across the app. But to be fare if I was asked to move along or stop taking photos by a member of the police force I wouldn’t rant and rave I would quite happily put my camera away and or move along.
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Me too- never worth arguing with the Police - you wont win, end of :eek:

Les :D
 
simonblue said:
All together now,head in sand let not say anything,we dont want to round causeing touble ;)
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to be fair to jim and alistair that isnt what they were suggesting

theres a difference between not being afraid to stick up for yourself when justified , and delibeterately going looking for confrontation and being as arsey as possible when you find it

the former is sensible , the latter only causes greif for all involved , and lends weight to general public perception of photographers as trouble makers
 
simonblue said:
All together now,head in sand let not say anything,we dont want to round causeing touble ;)
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Nobody is suggesting that... Merely questioning how much good this particular solution is... where are you reading that nobody should do anyhting? I cant see that anywhere..
 
FWIW I simply go out and shoot photos.
If I feel uncomfortable about possible repercussions by taking a particular shot then I won't take it...simple.
If i upset someone then I discuss/deal with it in a mature manner....not so hard really!
If the police are involved ( had that on two occassions, I give the respect that the police deserve and again deal with the whole situation in a mature and amicable manner.
This doesn't mean that i agree at not being allowed to take certain shots and indeed I will calmly voice my opinion but what is the point in getting all "rule book" about it.....I have a right, they have rights etc etc ;..very true but often ends in nothing more than what is going on in this thread ...a debate.
Would we not be better off "cutting our losses" and walking away to take a different and possibly better photograph ?
 
big soft moose said:
to be fair to jim and alistair that isnt what they were suggesting

theres a difference between not being afraid to stick up for yourself when justified , and delibeterately going looking for confrontation and being as arsey as possible when you find it

the former is sensible , the latter only causes greif for all involved , and lends weight to general public perception of photographers as trouble makers
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Fair enought,but i do think sometime photographer,have been shot down,when their cases have been justified.

Its alway going to be hard,but i think at times general public perception of photographers,has been marred,by the the action of some in authority :(
 
Asha said:
FWIW I simply go out and shoot photos.
If I feel uncomfortable about possible repercussions by taking a particular shot then I won't take it...simple.
If i upset someone then I discuss/deal with it in a mature manner....not so hard really!
If the police are involved ( had that on two occassions, I give the respect that the police deserve and again deal with the whole situation in a mature and amicable manner.
This doesn't mean that i agree at not being allowed to take certain shots and indeed I will calmly voice my opinion but what is the point in getting all "rule book" about it.....I have a right, they have rights etc etc ;..very true but often ends in nothing more than what is going on in this thread ...a debate.
Would we not be better off "cutting our losses" and walking away to take a different and possibly better photograph ?
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The best advice and post in this thread. :thumbs:
 
simonblue said:
Fair enought,but i do think sometime photographer,have been shot down,when their cases have been justified.

Its alway going to be hard,but i think at times general public perception of photographers,has been marred,by the the action of some in authority :(
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And by the irresponsible actions of some, so called,photographers going out of their way to incite the situations outlined previously.

Finished the sentence off for you...............:)
 
question: do security guards have the right to remove you from a public shopping centre for taking photos? recently I was in Wigan in a certain shopping centre and to be fair my camera is pretty hard to miss but I was taking a photo of an abandoned cafe' and this security guard from Nigeria comes up to me and says 'you are a threat to security' so I said I am just taking photos and I will not take anymore and basically turned the camera off, but part of me wanted to argue my rights and stand there until being arrested.
 
symmetricalOCD said:
this security guard from Nigeria comes up to me and says.
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How the blue blazes do you know he was from nigeria ?????? and anyway what on earth has that got to do with it ??

He has the right to stop you photogrpahing in a shopping center yes... as to remove you... depends how

either way.. his nationality has nothing to do wiht it :)
 
KIPAX said:
How the blue blazes do you know he was from nigeria ?????? and anyway what on earth has that got to do with it ??

He has the right to stop you photogrpahing in a shopping center yes... as to remove you... depends how

either way.. his nationality has nothing to do wiht it :)
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I hear they're hot on photographers rights in Nigeria..
 
symmetricalOCD said:
question: do security guards have the right to remove you from a public shopping centre for taking photos? recently I was in Wigan in a certain shopping centre and to be fair my camera is pretty hard to miss but I was taking a photo of an abandoned cafe' and this security guard from Nigeria comes up to me and says 'you are a threat to security' so I said I am just taking photos and I will not take anymore and basically turned the camera off, but part of me wanted to argue my rights and stand there until being arrested.
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Sorry but he does have the right,it's private land,as those it is open to the public.

In some cases like this,you can alway ask if you can take photos,tell them what you are doing,sometimes it works :)
 
symmetricalOCD said:
question: do security guards have the right to remove you from a public shopping centre for taking photos? recently I was in Wigan in a certain shopping centre and to be fair my camera is pretty hard to miss but I was taking a photo of an abandoned cafe' and this security guard from Nigeria comes up to me and says 'you are a threat to security' so I said I am just taking photos and I will not take anymore and basically turned the camera off, but part of me wanted to argue my rights and stand there until being arrested.
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if you downloaded the app you would know lol
 
Depends on the shopping centre's policy. Not all shopping centres forbid photography by default, and as such they shouldn't be removing you for something that's not forbidden.

If the centre does have a "no photography" policy, then you have no "rights" to argue.

Arguing until you get arrested is a dumb idea though. You won't be arrested for taking photo's as it's not a crime. What you'll get arrested for will be something like breach of the peace, public order, antisocial behaviour, etc..

Easiest response is to say, "Sorry, I didn't realise it wasn't allowed, as there's no signs about. I'll not take anymore". (Unless, of course, there are signs about).
 
HMansfield said:
Depends on the shopping centre's policy. Not all shopping centres forbid photography by default, and as such they shouldn't be removing you for something that's not forbidden.
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I think strictly speaking when on private land/premises by permission the landowner or his agents (e.g security guards) can ask you to leave at any time for any reason (excepting those covered by the discrimantion laws of course) - so even if its not forbidden by default that have the power to ask an individual photographer to leave or stop taking photos.

They can't physically eject you , or indeed lay a hand on you, and they can't make you delete photos - however refusing to leave/stop when asked is dumb , because this will result in the police being asked to remove you.

its also worth noting that at some shopping centres (MK is a classic example , and Bluewater is another) the 'private land' of the shopping centre can extend to the surrounding pavements and carparking , so responding by saying fine i'll stand on that 'public land' and take shots is also a bad move unless you are absolutely sure who owns what
 
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luv it ;) more more!

ps. I'm on a train'back north' after 2 days in London, and could do with some cheering up!

Again i say more more!

Chuckle
 
Raylogic said:
luv it ;) more more!

ps. I'm on a train'back north' after 2 days in London, and could do with some cheering up!

Again i say more more!

Chuckle
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Eh?
 
Wrong thread me thinks

either that or advice on rights makes him really happy :lol:
 
i think perhaps he was chuckling at the ''debate'' which actually makes me laugh too. threads like this one pop up on ALL forums i use, all of various topics. and it does make me laugh. :) if you cant see why its funny, that just makes me laugh some more!!
 
moodye said:
i think perhaps he was chuckling at the ''debate'' which actually makes me laugh too. threads like this one pop up on ALL forums i use, all of various topics. and it does make me laugh. :) if you cant see why its funny, that just makes me laugh some more!!
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I prefer a good Will Ferrel movie, or knob jokes.
 
big soft moose said:
I think strictly speaking when on private land/premises by permission the landowner or his agents (e.g security guards) can ask you to leave at any time for any reason (excepting those covered by the discrimantion laws of course) - so even if its not forbidden by default that have the power to ask an individual photographer to leave or stop taking photos.
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Assuming you're not going out of your way to bother people, then ejecting someone for something that's permitted, just because they can, is why many people have such low opinions of security guards.

Ejecting one person purely for taking a photo in a photo-permitting place, and letting everyone else carry on would be like throwing someone out for shopping at one of the stores, or wearing their watch on their right arm.

Everyone come to Mansfield. Our shopping centre puts on shows that you can photograph. I'd show some examples, but... erm.... the enthusiasm is often greater than the results.
 
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