Petrol / fuel should fall to £1 a litre before Xmas

99.9 at Tesco and 98.8 at Asda today.
And 58 pence of that is duty and a further 16p is vat. These low prices are killing SMEs in the oil industry and in renewables. Cheap fuel can lead to greater consumption, further global warming, more floods and extreme weather. I know I'm alone in this but personally I'd like to see fuel prices back at 1.20 per litre.
 
99.7 at Asda here today.
 
And 58 pence of that is duty and a further 16p is vat. These low prices are killing SMEs in the oil industry and in renewables. Cheap fuel can lead to greater consumption, further global warming, more floods and extreme weather. I know I'm alone in this but personally I'd like to see fuel prices back at 1.20 per litre.
Cars are a lot more economical and emissions are a lot lower than they were years ago and even with the increase in cars on the road, the emissions will still be much lower, so why didn't we have global warming in the 70's or 80's causing flooding and extreme weather?
 
Cars are a lot more economical and emissions are a lot lower than they were years ago and even with the increase in cars on the road, the emissions will still be much lower, so why didn't we have global warming in the 70's or 80's causing flooding and extreme weather?
Let me guess. You work in the automotive industry and you're a climate change denier.
 
Better get to the petrol station soon, this is so I can save about £2 on my normal fuel up. Or get more for my £20 ..Nah no rush, when I happen to pass a petrol station :)
 
Let me guess. You work in the automotive industry and you're a climate change denier.
Yes I work in the Automotive Industry. But the automotive industry isn't the main cause. Here's a nice little fact for you, it would take 42 million Euro 6 diesel cars to produce the same amount of CO2 as a single power station produces in one day. Even engines from 15yr old cars don't produce that much more than current Euro 6 emission cars.
 
You didn't answer the second question. ;)
Climate changes all the time. If climate change was the cause of extreme weather, surely it we would have it more often instead of once in a while. I'm not convinced by any such claims of global warning, no.
 
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When I first started driving it was 3 shillings and 3 pence a gallon which in today's silly money equals just over 15p a gallon ,and back then they invented the mini because of the cost of fuel ,can also remember my dad being issued with petrol tokens because of the suez crisis
Three shillings and thrupance. Not three pence. A penny,tupance,thrupance,fourpance.Remember.
 
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Can I also ask you Stewart, do you believe ALL the hype from the Govts & the greens?
Ooh, a classic Straw Man Fallacy in action. Nice one.

No of course not. I didn't say anything to suggest or imply otherwise.
 
Cars are a lot more economical and emissions are a lot lower than they were years ago and even with the increase in cars on the road, the emissions will still be much lower, so why didn't we have global warming in the 70's or 80's causing flooding and extreme weather?
Thought experiment. Put the plug in your bath and turn the taps full on for five minutes. Then turn the taps down to a slow flow rate. After quite a while the bath will overflow. But wait! Why has it overflowed when the taps were only running slowly? Surely if running the taps slowly caused it to overflow, it should have overflowed when the taps were full on? Obviously the overflow must have been caused by something other than the taps.
 
Thought experiment. Put the plug in your bath and turn the taps full on for five minutes. Then turn the taps down to a slow flow rate. After quite a while the bath will overflow. But wait! Why has it overflowed when the taps were only running slowly? Surely if running the taps slowly caused it to overflow, it should have overflowed when the taps were full on? Obviously the overflow must have been caused by something other than the taps.

But how could it overflow (warm up because of man) before baths/plugs/taps were invented?
 
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Actually, up here we said thrip'ny bit.

Presume a tanner meant the same everywhere?

I bet the younger than 40's have no idea what we are on about. :LOL:

You've not mentioned florins, half crowns or farthings although I would agree they are not abbreviated, but ha 'penny is.;)
 
I've given up caring what the price does anymore, it'll do what it does, just have to make sure when pricing jobs I keep the travel distances in mind, still will be nice to see it a little lower makes it a little easier, dare say I'll still be burning at least £70 a week no matter the price might just mean I get a few more personal miles in :thumbs:
 
Thought experiment. Put the plug in your bath and turn the taps full on for five minutes. Then turn the taps down to a slow flow rate. After quite a while the bath will overflow. But wait! Why has it overflowed when the taps were only running slowly? Surely if running the taps slowly caused it to overflow, it should have overflowed when the taps were full on? Obviously the overflow must have been caused by something other than the taps.
So what you are saying is it will happen anyway whether it takes 20mins or an hour. It was only around 93 when cars had to have a catalytic converter, most cars on the road today are after that date and are far cleaner, so again why didn't we have "global warming and extreme weather" before then when there was much more pollution instead of now when even though with more cars on the road, they are much more cleaner? Everything around us has been geared up to be more efficient and use less energy for years, So to the last point of your thought experiment, yes obviously the overflow is caused by something else.
 
You didn't answer the second question. ;)
I support Corbyn on climate change :clap:

And can't wait to fill up this weekend, it would be great if we can get it under £100 to fill up the beast...A nice psychological barrier broken. Should keep me happy for months and save on therapy costs, driving to and from there etc....Definitely a positive effect on the environment in my case...
 
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I support Corbyn on climate change :clap:

And can't wait to fill up this weekend, it would be great if we can get it under £100 to fill up the beast...A nice psychological barrier broken. Should keep me happy for months and save on therapy costs, driving to and from there etc....Definitely a positive effect on the environment in my case...

Our car holds 62 Litres and when full it is pretty heavy, so lugging all that fuel around is costly. I tend to keep the fuel level at about half a tank, any fuller than that and car is not as nice to drive. The back end tends to swing a little when cornering.
 
Our car holds 62 Litres and when full it is pretty heavy, so lugging all that fuel around is costly. I tend to keep the fuel level at about half a tank, any fuller than that and car is not as nice to drive. The back end tends to swing a little when cornering.
Sounds like an terrible car design if it is that noticeable :eek: further more I would have thought that logically a full tank will have less weight to "shift" direction. Either way a terrible design.
 
Sounds like an terrible car design if it is that noticeable :eek: further more I would have thought that logically a full tank will have less weight to "shift" direction. Either way a terrible design.
The back end gets too heavy, a bit like driving an estate with a load in the back :)
 
Might be better off keeping a spare can of fuel or two in a safely locked shed away from property. Can't remember off hand the limit of fuel you can legally store in a secure garage :thinking:
 
The back end gets too heavy, a bit like driving an estate with a load in the back :)
What car is it? Perhaps in a lotus seven replica I can understand it. Is it rear wheel drive?
 
Is it rear wheel drive?
Rear wheel drive tends to push the back end round, driven quickly yes back end does slide. Also front wheel drive drags front end of car around corners, again driven quickly it can make back end flip out a little. I do not drive fast around corners, but it does feel like heavy fuel tank gives corners a little rolling effect.
 
I would get the suspension and everything associated with it checked. And start with the simple things like tyre pressures first. It really doesn't sound right that it is that notable in such a relatively heavy car.
 
I would get the suspension and everything associated with it checked. And start with the simple things like tyre pressures first. It really doesn't sound right that it is that notable in such a relatively heavy car.
It was in Volvo dealers for its first service the other week, they gave it a clean bill of health. Just thinking, it has always been like that first day we got it new. Must be one of the characteristics of the car :thinking:
 
And 58 pence of that is duty and a further 16p is vat. These low prices are killing SMEs in the oil industry and in renewables. Cheap fuel can lead to greater consumption, further global warming, more floods and extreme weather. I know I'm alone in this but personally I'd like to see fuel prices back at 1.20 per litre.

Definitely agree that cheap fuel is not always a good thing as it can discourage progress in making cars more efficient. I get 74mpg which is quite good for a petrol car (c1 stop start) but i'd much prefer an electric or hybrid car BUT they are very expensive but more expensive fuel could boost this type of vehicle and make scales of economy better so the become cheaper instead of being a "niche" car. It's also unfair that diesel seems to get far more tax breaks just because it has lower CO2 but much higher in NO2 which is not taken into account by the tax man.
 
Definitely agree that cheap fuel is not always a good thing as it can discourage progress in making cars more efficient. I get 74mpg which is quite good for a petrol car (c1 stop start) but i'd much prefer an electric or hybrid car BUT they are very expensive but more expensive fuel could boost this type of vehicle and make scales of economy better so the become cheaper instead of being a "niche" car. It's also unfair that diesel seems to get far more tax breaks just because it has lower CO2 but much higher in NO2 which is not taken into account by the tax man.
How come diesel gets more tax breaks but is actually more expensive in the uk? I thought it was the opposite.
 
Definitely agree that cheap fuel is not always a good thing as it can discourage progress in making cars more efficient. I get 74mpg which is quite good for a petrol car (c1 stop start) but i'd much prefer an electric or hybrid car BUT they are very expensive but more expensive fuel could boost this type of vehicle and make scales of economy better so the become cheaper instead of being a "niche" car. It's also unfair that diesel seems to get far more tax breaks just because it has lower CO2 but much higher in NO2 which is not taken into account by the tax man.
Motorist queueing for fuel might want to activate the stop start, as they reckon there will be gridlock for the cheaper fuel, really. If they are sitting with their engines running, nothing will be saved.
 
Motorist queueing for fuel might want to activate the stop start, as they reckon there will be gridlock for the cheaper fuel, really. If they are sitting with their engines running, nothing will be saved.
It's annoying that stop start can be disabled on cars that have it as it defeats the whole point of having it and just wastes fuel. Only had the car for a few days and it means changing your driving technique a bit but I'm starting to get used to it. In particular fighting the urge to "creep" forward at traffic lights when cars in front start creeping as this restarts the engine, but I have never understood the obsession with creeping a few feet when stopped at lights.
 
It's annoying that stop start can be disabled on cars that have it as it defeats the whole point of having it and just wastes fuel.
Not annoying at all in summer when in a traffic jam ;) Not at all annoying when you have had your vehicle stand still for a while and the battery is rather low ;) Not annoying at all when there is a busy round-a-bout with that means you have to creep towards it and be quick to merge with traffic. And so on....The last 6 years my vehicles have had stop start on it in succession. My first was a VW Golf TDI in the mid nineties with stop start....Obviously not in the UK as it is only a recent thing here....I love it, but I also love to switch it off...
 
I'm sure the stop-start computer takes factors into account like if the a/c is on and keeps the engine running if the a/c will need it, and also monitors the battery status. I'm not sure I like drivers who "creep" on the approach to roundabouts as it gives the impression to drivers already on the roundabout that they are not going to give way.
 
I'm sure the stop-start computer takes factors into account like if the a/c is on and keeps the engine running if the a/c will need it, and also monitors the battery status. I'm not sure I like drivers who "creep" on the approach to roundabouts as it gives the impression to drivers already on the roundabout that they are not going to give way.
As I said I've got quite a few decades of experience ;) I don't like drivers who end up part on a round about and don't get a move on to merge with existing traffic speed :thumbs:
 
I'm sure the stop-start computer takes factors into account like if the a/c is on and keeps the engine running if the a/c will need it, and also monitors the battery status. I'm not sure I like drivers who "creep" on the approach to roundabouts as it gives the impression to drivers already on the roundabout that they are not going to give way.
As I said I've got quite a few decades of experience ;) I don't like drivers who end up part on a round about and don't get a move on to merge with existing traffic speed (y)

Not overly keen on the stop start as I approach roundabouts, it is nice to have the car responsive and ready to go quickly, as there tends to be a slight pause..
 
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