People and portraits feedback. :(

Ok, several points, as has already been said, its not what you say its how you say it, and we have removed very valid critique when it has basically been phrased as critism bordering on the rude. Its not difficult to offer negative feedback politely and in a constructive manner.
By the same token, its not difficult to accept genuine negative critique, even if you don't agree with it - if you don't want it, don't post pictures asking for it, it really is that simple.

As for the Pro argument - you can have no idea of how many posts we remove and even members that occasionally get banned when they have waltzed in and posted in such a manner that says 'I am only here because you do very well in google searches so this is doing wonders for my SEO' - thats blatant abuse and it gets stamped on.
However, when pro members that DO contribute to the forum by offering as much as they take, post regular professional shots it serves a far more important purpose than boosting their own SEO [and frankly, if that is a small side-effect of such posts, then good luck to them] - looking at great photographs is inspirational for everyone that is trying to follow that same path and that cannot be bad. Whether thats wedding photographers, sports photographers, event photographers or succesful stock photographers.
Secondly those pro's are not averse to critique on their images anymore than anyone else. They may be better able to explain why a certain aspect of a shot is as it is than a beginner, but that doesn't make your own opinion of it any less valid. Remember, opinions from other 'advanced' photographers is always useful both artistically and technically - opinions from anyone else is invaluable as a pro, because they represent your 'market' and it doesn't matter if the shots are technically brilliant and so arty they should be hung in the National Gallery, if 'normal' people don't like them, then they are worthless....well, unless you happen to have a good contact at the gallery with loads of spare cash hanging around, you know, the sort of person that buys an unmade bed because its 'art' ;)

I am not sure I have phrased this as well as I would like, but I think you get my gist - get involved and be part of the forum whatever your level of knowledge or understanding is, but don't just post 'nice shot' every time [a few 'nice shots' are not bad btw, but take time to extend that and say why you think that'] because its helping no one, least of all yourself.
 
Yv said:
...As for the Pro argument -
(snip)...looking at great photographs is inspirational for everyone that is trying to follow that same path and that cannot be bad. Whether thats wedding photographers, sports photographers, event photographers or succesful stock photographers...
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Looking at a 'great' photograph might well be inspirational...looking at two or three, likewise.
But looking at that same photographer's entire output every single week? It might have been 'great' the first time we saw it, but after six weeks of the same images over and over...not so great any more...and after six months?
"Oh look there some more photos by *anon*
Especially when they pretty much cover all the same bases. Same style, same lighting - about the only thing that different is the people in the images and (sometimes) the location.

C'mon - who do you think you're kidding here?

If the guy was trying something different - great: let's take a look and see if it worked out.
But just showing off your 'bread and butter' jobs all the time...? :nono:

So you're a wedding photographer - great - they're very good. Now show us what else you can do.
 
cobra_lite said:
Looking at a 'great' photograph might well be inspirational...looking at two or three, likewise.
But looking at that same photographer's entire output every single week? It might have been 'great' the first time we saw it, but after six weeks of the same images over and over...not so great any more...and after six months?
"Oh look there some more photos by *anon*
Especially when they pretty much cover all the same bases. Same style, same lighting - about the only thing that different is the people in the images and (sometimes) the location.

C'mon - who do you think you're kidding here?

If the guy was trying something different - great: let's take a look and see if it worked out.
But just showing off your 'bread and butter' jobs all the time...? :nono:

So you're a wedding photographer - great - they're very good. Now show us what else you can do.
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These are also photo sharing forums and I don't think that anyone has the right to tell someone that they are not allowed to post their photos. If it's not your thing, then you have the right not to look at them but, looking at the number of people who do post in those threads, plenty of people enjoy them. No-one's kidding anyone.

This is a photography forum, no way are we going to stop people from posting photos.
 
Cobra_lite:

A) Some people like looking at the same sorts of shots from the same togs, it allows them to study them, figure out lighting and PP etc. I've a wedding that involves a helicopter this week, I will be searching the forums for a little inspiration before hand. Don't forget, like many areas it follows a trend so yes, many photos will be the similar in style.

B) Many of those togs use their experience to help others, in fact I can think of only one wedding tog that posts only their photos and never in anyone else's threads (that annoys me) so they aren't just here for self promotion.

C) If you don't like it, don't post, just press the back button and don't let it bother you.
 
Harvey_nikon said:
Cobra_lite:

A) Some people like looking at the same sorts of shots from the same togs, it allows them to study them, figure out lighting and PP etc. I've a wedding that involves a helicopter this week, I will be searching the forums for a little inspiration before hand. Don't forget, like many areas it follows a trend so yes, many photos will be the similar in style.

B) Many of those togs use their experience to help others, in fact I can think of only one wedding tog that posts only their photos and never in anyone else's threads (that annoys me) so they aren't just here for self promotion.

C) If you don't like it, don't post, just press the back button and don't let it bother you.
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With (a) you can do that with one set of images - maybe two.

(c) it doesn't bother me as such, but at least admit that's what the guy is doing, eh?

Out of curiosity I looked at a particular photographer's stats: let's call him 'Triple-X'...
Of all threads started by him in the past 18 months, all but a few were wedding or engagement collections. Of the others, about three were baby sessions, two were studio nudes and the others were advertising his wedding workshop sessions.
One thread was started in studio lighting.

Only one thread started by him not directly promoting his business.

How can you possibly say this isn't advertising?
 
cobra_lite said:
With (a) you can do that with one set of images - maybe two.

(c) it doesn't bother me as such, but at least admit that's what the guy is doing, eh?

Out of curiosity I looked at a particular photographer's stats: let's call him 'Triple-X'...
Of all threads started by him in the past 18 months, all but a few were wedding or engagement collections. Of the others, about three were baby sessions, two were studio nudes and the others were advertising his wedding workshop sessions.
One thread was started in studio lighting.

Only one thread started by him not directly promoting his business.

How can you possibly say this isn't advertising?
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Posting photos in a photography forum is NOT promoting your business

The workshops were non profit making.

I suggest you stop making allegations with no evidence to back them up.
 
cobra_lite said:
With (a) you can do that with one set of images - maybe two.

(c) it doesn't bother me as such, but at least admit that's what the guy is doing, eh?

Out of curiosity I looked at a particular photographer's stats: let's call him 'Triple-X'...
Of all threads started by him in the past 18 months, all but a few were wedding or engagement collections. Of the others, about three were baby sessions, two were studio nudes and the others were advertising his wedding workshop sessions.
One thread was started in studio lighting.

Only one thread started by him not directly promoting his business.

How can you possibly say this isn't advertising?
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Surely to measure someones contribution you should be looking at posts away from their own threads, otherwise you are entirely missing the point.

oh, and a small point of note...all the staff have been doing this a long time, so we know pretty much what people have been doing and why...rest assured if we didn't approve of anything, it wouldn't be happening and we do tend to smell rats, even ones that are trying to hide.

I am more curious to know why some people seem to be putting a lot of effort into arguing in here, when they could be out on the forums and offering genuine advice on photo sharing threads for members from every level.
 
fabs said:
Posting photos in a photography forum is NOT promoting your business

The workshops were non profit making.

I suggest you stop making allegations with no evidence to back them up.
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I tell it as I see it. The 'evidence' is there for all to see. Do a search on threads started and you'll see it for yourselves.

Posting a few maybe - posting all of your output - definitely.
Maybe you don't think so, but it has all the appearance of advertising.

At least be honest with yourselves.
 
cobra_lite said:
I tell it as I see it. The 'evidence' is there for all to see. Do a search on threads started and you'll see it for yourselves.

Posting a few maybe - posting all of your output - definitely.
Maybe you don't think so, but it has all the appearance of advertising.

At least be honest with yourselves.
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No, the evidence isn't there for all to see. You're just making assumptions.

Do you really think that 20 photos from a wedding is all of their output?

We are very honest with ourselves thank you very much
 
cobra_lite said:
I think some people are genuinely after crit to help them improve whilst others are simply using the forum to advertise their wares.
Why else would the same few people be posting 10 or 20+ images from every wedding they shoot, week-in, week out?
Sorry, seen one wedding seen them all - these guys are pros so they should be able to do the job - if I want to see more of their work I'll visit the website.
I looked for more image-heavy posts by the chap you've singled out and what a surprise...there they were going back...and back...and back...
Nice but so what?

Smacks a little of 'look at me, aren't I clever?'
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Actually - more like look at these as a group and if it helps you starting out in weddings then great - they are posted as a group to show that a level has to be consistent.

Don't presume to think for me
 
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(e.g. the example of someone posting 20 wedding photos a week as thinly-disguised advertising...)
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This is laughable .... this isn't the place to advertise
 
spxxxx said:
Actually - more like look at these as a group and if it helps you starting out in weddings then great - they are posted as a group to show that a level has to be consistent.

Don't presume to think for me
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You achieved that admirably over a year ago...why the need to keep posting so many images?
Maybe one image or two and a link to your website for those interested in seeing more? Those with a genuine interest in learning more will make the effort to go and look - I did.
I went back over a year looking at your body of work here and although I detect subtle changes in your style, these seem to be the result of situational changes and equipment purchases: more lights, different lenses etc.
When people ask questions, you answer promptly and intelligently. But your posts all seem to be linked to threads started by you.
Over 90% of threads started by you relate to weddings or engagements.
Of all posts made, over 70% are in threads you have started.

Simon: your images are excellent - top-rate. I would stack them up against any other photographer in this genre. I just feel that your posts appear - note: 'appear' - to be somewhat self-serving.
 
cobra_lite said:
With (a) you can do that with one set of images - maybe two.

(c) it doesn't bother me as such, but at least admit that's what the guy is doing, eh?

Out of curiosity I looked at a particular photographer's stats: let's call him 'Triple-X'...
Of all threads started by him in the past 18 months, all but a few were wedding or engagement collections. Of the others, about three were baby sessions, two were studio nudes and the others were advertising his wedding workshop sessions.
One thread was started in studio lighting.

Only one thread started by him not directly promoting his business.

How can you possibly say this isn't advertising?
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Yep - that's me .....

Showing consistent work week in week out during the wedding season I was thinking would help others as I have said ....

This again is the last place I'd think of advertising ... but whoever disagrees with you - you just dismiss their views.

That's fine - but again don't presume to know what I am or am not doing when posting images.

There are plenty of places to get impressions on your work from the public like you say .... and more "pro's" have stopped posting images on TP over the last months ..... and certainly not because their advertising wasn't working !
 
I once gave some feedback on a school portrait type picture someone took in plenty of time and they had been critical in their comments on one of the national school companys who have two or so minutes with each pupil to capture them as best as possible.

Another member posted some of their work on the same thread and got the hump when I expressed my dislike for the white back ground type photograph, now as good as they are when you have three children at school and start building up umpteen pictures that look almost a carbon copy it starts to get boring and as my signature says from the great Pablo Picasso trend can of course become the enemy of creativity.


I find it good to see other peoples work it can inspire, some work I refrain from commenting on if others have already given a similar opinion, someone I comment on if it really is good, as a rule the standard of some work is that good when you see a newbie picture that's really bad you don't want to upset the author and lower their confidence by slating it or being Simon Cowellesque
 
I agree with Cobra on this. Basically you could exploit the system to help you gain google rankings. If you post direct from your site then it could count as a link back, which does help improve your site ratings, so I think if you were so minded you could do that.

Problem is this.

Too many photographs of weddings and kids, which is not going to get much comment as several hundred were there last week, will be next week and forever more. Many (myself included) don't bother commenting as it is generic work that they saw last week and the week before. Add to this people putting up huge numbers This is the problem as I see it.

The solutions could be this.

Max of 7 pics per week to be posted. One per day. If your output is more than this then you need to edit your work more before showing, you need to analyse what you show or you are a genius.

Critique of the week: Those looking for crit could be put forward to have something liek this, where they are at the top of the section all week this allows those who want it, have contributed themselves to get feedback on their work.

3 Rate my portfolio.
This allows those who want more critique overall to get their portfolio reviewed. This could be a Flickr link, website link etc. Allows people areas where they might want to look at improvements. Also offer crit of the actual website which is a good thing for many.

Not sure these are the whole answer, or even correct, but things don't work the way they are
 
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...Showing consistent work week in week out during the wedding season I was thinking would help others as I have said...
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How? Without detailed analysis of each individual image - those posts are worthless other than as a 'look as these nice images' thread.

You're a professional - of course your work is consistent - if it wasn't you'd be out of work.
 
spxxxx said:
Yep - that's me .....

Showing consistent work week in week out during the wedding season I was thinking would help others as I have said ....
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Surely though you have to admit that posting them in the image critique section is not really the place to show what you are trying? I know there is no other place to do so, but tutorials to go along with each and placed in the tutorial section would be an amazing resource to people, as they are they just get lost in the wash.
 
I always try and comment on posts with 0 or few comments to bump them to the top and encourage others to add their views; often it's harder to comment on images with greater feedback because it echoes the other comments in the thread. In terms of delivery I try and restrict crit unless it labelled with the critique side tab thingy in which case I try and be constructive of the image from a technical stand point rather than a personal one as after all and as mentioned through this thread art is subjective!
On the note of few comments I posted an image yesterday asking for crit, I put my experience level in and the equip used and still only one bloody crit lol... I can only assume that my work is so fantastic that it is unflawed thus no one wants to tear a strip off! Ps incase that's misconstrued I am joking! I'm not arrogant, no point when your fat going bald and your only redeeming feature is the glimmer of polite charm you posses.
I now await a barrage of strip tearing where rest assured il spit my dummy out throw every toy I can from the pram and roll around by lounge floor screaming.
This all feels like an episode of grumpy old men! Count me in!
Cheers Andy
 
spxxxx said:
This is laughable .... this isn't the place to advertise
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Your naivety is endering...:p this most certainly IS a place that people use to advertise, didn't you notice the amount of spam and complaints when Classifieds was restricted recently... and don't think people only want to use the site to sell kit, services will be being pimped as well, no different than putting your work on Facebook every month like some people I know - the constant exposure gets you onto clients' radar...

Not that I particularly have a problem with this - but Photo Critic is not place to do it. If the mods are prepared to continue to tolerate it, for their own reasons, then may they should consider making people who are traders more obvious (different colour, pay for membership, etc...)


Getting back to the sheer unmanagable quantity of posts - a lot of the more defensive people, including some of the mods, seem to be confusing Photo Sharing with Photo Criticic. I know there is the thread-prefix thing, but frankly it doesn't work, the volume is overwhelming.:help:

There are - deep breath here :

106,966 threads in the "Critic & Sharing" forums (and rising). That's over one hundred thousand! If you looked at each thread for 30 seconds, it would take you over a month without any sleep to read them all... :gag:

By comparison, there are 1,713 threads in "Photos for Pleasure" (with just one posted today). Or, in other words, less than 0.02%...
 
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OK Marc - if you say so.
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You say that you say it as you see it, well no offence, but you've been here less than a month so I don't think you've been here really long enough to 'see' anything.

I've been here around 2 years, and other than 1 wedding photographer all the others contribute to the the forums past posting there own work.

I can't say I've seen any of your threads to comment on your photos or seen many of your posts, so you may be very experienced, but you're starting to sound like a Daily Mail letter writer who can't accept anything but their own point of view. It'd be great if you share your knowledge, just be polite about it. :)

If you think someone is just promoting themselves, simply add them to your ignore list and forget about them. As for the mods, they do a cracking job here, people can promote their businesses here if they agree the the T&Cs however MANY people do things either at cost or for free, including people you may have issues with :)

Cheer up and stop being a miserable old so and so :D

EDIT: As for Simons wedding photo threads, I enjoy seeing them. They are a constant reminder of the level I need to get too and I enjoy figuring out how they were taken!

As for limiting photos in crit, daft really as a noob could post several photos just trying to get the one look right :)

This thread really should just be closed. People are being targeted and its just going to cause conflict on the forum and DECREASE the amount of posting, which is not the reason the thread was started!
 
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Maybe unlimited in photos for pleasure but 7 photos per week in critique sections would be a good way of getting the numbers more even, getting more crit and solving a problem that although the mods are saying we should be not moaning, the mods must see that this is a very real problem that needs addressing.
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Reading through the stuff in Forum Discussion - it would appear that the limit is 6 images per post.
People are simply getting around this 'rule' by making consecutive posts, each containing 6 images.
 
cobra_lite said:
Reading through the stuff in Forum Discussion - it would appear that the limit is 6 images per post.
People are simply getting around this 'rule' by making consecutive posts, each containing 6 images.
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It's not a rule. The forum software limits them to 6 images per post.
 
cobra_lite said:
Reading through the stuff in Forum Discussion - it would appear that the limit is 6 images per post.
People are simply getting around this 'rule' by making consecutive posts, each containing 6 images.
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But that is my point, if the limit was 7 per week total (not per thread or post), then people would think what they post before posting it. I agree 6 images per post can just result in the first 3-4 posts being by the thread starter with a link to more.

I think by doing this rule it would teach beginners and pros alike the value of only showing your very best work.

Also you could allow unlimited posting in photos for pleasure, which means if you want to see if people think a photo is "nice" etc. then you will have a place to get that.
 
flossie said:
Your naivety is endering...:p this most certainly IS a place that people use to advertise, didn't you notice the amount of spam and complaints when Classifieds was restricted recently... and don't think people only want to use the site to sell kit, services will be being pimped as well, no different than putting your work on Facebook every month like some people I know - the constant exposure gets you onto clients' radar...
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This is a photography forum, a place for photographers to share their images. If they get noticed by non photographers, so what? What's it got to do with you?

flossie said:
Not that I particularly have a problem with this - but Photo Critic is not place to do it. If the mods are prepared to continue to tolerate it, for their own reasons, then may they should consider making people who are traders more obvious (different colour, pay for membership, etc...)
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The section is called Photo Critique AND Sharing. We don't tolerate anything for our own reasons. All photographers are entitled to share their photos here whether amateur or professional.

The traders who pay to advertise their goods/services here have "Advertiser" in blue beneath their user names. they advertise goods and services TO photographers, not AS photographers.

flossie said:
Getting back to the sheer unmanagable quantity of posts - a lot of the more defensive people, including some of the mods, seem to be confusing Photo Sharing with Photo Criticic. I know there is the thread-prefix thing, but frankly it doesn't work, the volume is overwhelming.:help:

There are - deep breath here :

106,966 threads in the "Critic & Sharing" forums (and rising). That's over one hundred thousand! If you looked at each thread for 30 seconds, it would take you over a month without any sleep to read them all... :gag:

By comparison, there are 1,713 threads in "Photos for Pleasure" (with just one posted today). Or, in other words, less than 0.02%...
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The forum is 6 years old, the Photos for Pleasure is only 2 years old and was set up to cater for those who wished specifically to post photos where no critique was wanted. Those posted in the other sections are open to critique if someone wishes to give it but it's not compulsory to give it and members are perfectly welcome to move to the next thread if they want to.
 
fabs said:
It's not a rule. The forum software limits them to 6 images per post.
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Hence my writing 'rule' not rule...reading back through the history, it appears that it was previously unlimited - therefore the software can be adapted.

My point was that people are circumventing the apparent intent of limiting the number of images by the thread opener.
Whether it's a 'rule' or just a 'guideline' - the spirit of intent behind the restriction seems to be being flouted.

You can't offer meaningful critique on a batch of 20 images - even if I wanted to, I can't be bothered to spare the time or effort - especially when the images are as accomplished and polished as Simon's: he doesn't need critique - he knows what works and what doesn't...
 
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Hence my writing 'rule' not rule...reading back through the history, it appears that it was previously unlimited - therefore the software can be adapted.

My point was that people are circumventing the apparent intent of limiting the number of images by the thread opener.
Whether it's a 'rule' or just a 'guideline' - the spirit of the restriction seems to be being flouted.

You can't offer meaningful critique on a batch of 20 images - even if I wanted to, I can't be bothered to spare the time or effort - especially when the images are as accomplished and polished as Simon's: he doesn't need critique - he knows what works and what doesn't...
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It was previously limited to 10. The change was only to encourage less but people are free to post more if they wish. Weddings and Sports are considered exceptions usually as they tell a story of the day/match.

No-one is asking for meaningful critique on these cases. As I keep saying, people are entitled to share their images. If someone is asking for meaningful critique when posting large quantities of images, they are often told by members that they should post less and, if they don't, they don't get the meaningful critique. I have seen 2 occasions of this sort of thing in the last couple of days where the thread starter has then deleted the majority of images so they could get the critique they wanted.
 
fabs said:
No-one is asking for meaningful critique on these cases...
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But are still posting in the Critique sections...? :shrug:
If they posted multi-image threads in the 'Sharing' section, not only would that section benefit by getting more traffic, but pointless arguments like this could be avoided.
 
...... and hence why I no longer post or particularly take an active membership in this place. Sad to say because this is where it all began for me and photography.

cobra_lite you say certain members are here for self promotion and yet you know nothing of these people outside their forum stats!!!! Anyone can look at posts and come to a 'conclusion', however you know nothing of Simon nor the people he has helped. Now I don't want to turn this into an 'arse licking' session, but I am a photographer, a year or so into photographing weddings who still looks out for Simon's work and I am pleased that I see it regularly. He has helped me immensely in my development, let me tag along to weddings and has provided positive input into where my work can improve. He didn't need to do this, nor do the other pros and non pros who take the time to post work and provide constructive C&C. I am sure he could have used the time more effectively self promoting himself :bonk::bonk:

I am sure there are lots of people like me, who have had a helping hand, maybe not all visually through the forum, but by the pro's who frequent TP.

.......but hey, lets just lambast all the pro togs for posting their work so much that they stop and then this will be an even better place :cuckoo:
 
cobra_lite said:
he doesn't need critique - he knows what works and what doesn't...
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I disagree with this, all photographers need some form of critique otherwise they would never improve. At the end of the day professionals are just people......not robots that snap away all the time. I would say that a professionals confidence is just as delicate as a beginners I dont see why a good professional should be excluded from being critiqued!

In your opinion you have said that Simon's work is accompished...thats your opinion. Someone else may see faults or areas in which Simon can improve. Thats what this forum is about sharing work and allowing others to view their opinions of it.....we all see things differently.
 
cobra_lite said:
But are still posting in the Critique sections...? :shrug:
If they posted multi-image threads in the 'Sharing' section, not only would that section benefit by getting more traffic, but pointless arguments like this could be avoided.
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It's the Photo Critique & Sharing section! There is no just sharing section.

Photos for pleasure is for another purpose altogether which I highlighted in a previous thread.
 
flossie said:
Well it may not be your view, but if I saw someone posting that volume of pictures that regularly then it would be mine I'm afraid - whether it was on this forum, on facebook, flickr, or wherever... and if you didn't have some concerns yourself, why did you even mention it :suspect:
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Well, if you read my post in the context it was intended rather than drawing your own conclusion based upon your own opinion then you'd see I was responding to the comment about only popular members getting responses. Simon's thread was picked randomly out of the member names I recognised and my point was that although he was getting a lot of replies they weren't necessarily offering advice. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that at all, but some are clearly taking the opportunity to grind an axe.

Simon, my apologies for dragging you into this. :(
 
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especially when the images are as accomplished and polished as Simon's: he doesn't need critique - he knows what works and what doesn't...
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You know, I will normally have a look at both Simons and also Hackers threads from weddings, with one sole purpose - I want to crit their pics. I go through them with a fine tooth comb to fine something that isn't right, whether it is simple composition, a dirt spot, exposure levels, expressions, etc.etc.

I learn how to put my own shots together by looking at the best work out there and pulling it apart. I will share my critic knowing that neither of these guys will take any offence, will counter crit if they feel they disagree and will also take on board and make changes to the shot based on what I say.

They do this not because I have been on here a while, but because I have taken the time to add something and they appreciate that.

But it is a good feeling when you spot or suggest something and half an hour later the picture has been altered with your suggestion - They do not make you feel that your opinions do not count, and for me to make an improvement to a very good shot gives me a confidence boost.

I tend not to post on many other people threads because I don't have time, and alot of the time would be repeating others comments.

I do go through the unanswered posts from time to time, and add in other areas as well, and need to stick more of my own shots up as well.
 
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I agree with Cobra on this. Basically you could exploit the system to help you gain google rankings.
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how exactly? - Forum links are (generally) nofollow. That particular HTML tag means that search bots won't follow them and they won't influence your pagerank. (although the links will appear in webmaster tools for google now). Not very useful except, although I suppose you do slightly increase the amount of traffic you get
 
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That is what some are trying to say, maybe it should be?

Unlimited posting in there vs limited allowance in critique forum would surely be a good thing?
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But that's what we had with the In Depth critique forum. It wasn't working so that's why the Critique prefix was brought in.
 
flossie said:
Eh? I didn't say that at all!

I said that if people can't take Criticism then they shouldn't post them.

I also said that people shouldn't post vast amounts of pictures.

The two concepts are not contradictory. In fact, they are complimentary - post less makes you think more.
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so for all these comments you've never posted in people and portraits. Infact your interest in people photography, is by your own admission non exisitant. http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=3519568&postcount=879.

So you've just given a fairly broad opinion based on nothing in reality
 
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But that's what we had with the In Depth critique forum. It wasn't working so that's why the Critique prefix was brought in.
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The in depth critique was a very small section for all genres which is where it failed, you had to search to find the type of photos you wanted to critique. If all sections were made critique only then it would be easier for the person giving critique to find a type of photo they would like to critique.

I think that the current system is worse than before. I think turning the critique section into a limited post, purely critique section would be worth a try. You would then encourage posting in photos for pleasure for other stuff.

By allowing critique to be an option in a critique section of the forum it really does lead to the issues we are seeing here. Lots of photos that don't want critique being posted. I know the prefix is meant to leave it as optional to leave critique but you result in people just looking for "Nice Pic" or indeed giving that as critique.
 
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