Peaches Geldof dead

Regardless of all of that, it is a horrible way to die and a wretched affliction. Anyone suffering from it has my deepest sympathy and support.
 
I can only ever feel very sad that some dies of an addiction, they are in a very bad place mentally and as such arent firing on all cylinders. It's easy to be judgemental when you're in a good place mentally and cant understand what its like to not be so fortunate. Very few "sane" people commit suicide.

Matt
 
Slightly disturbing that a paper's reporting that another paper is saying that the police will be releasing some information later. Somewhere, there's a leak...

Sad that the lady concerned felt that she couldn't go on living (if that's the case) and even sadder that her kids and family now have to live with the fact that mummy and granny couldn't cope with reality or life.
 
MatBin said:
.............. Very few "sane" people commit suicide.

Matt
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For some it's the sanest, clearest decision they ever make.
 
MatBin said:
I can only ever feel very sad that some dies of an addiction, they are in a very bad place mentally and as such arent firing on all cylinders. It's easy to be judgemental when you're in a good place mentally and cant understand what its like to not be so fortunate. Very few "sane" people commit suicide.

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Chances are it's the addiction that has caused the mental issues in the first place.
Whether it was suicide or not it was pure selfishness. There's people in this world with bigger problems and very little chance of over coming them. But they have a much better attitude towards the value of their own life as well as those that depend on them.
 
Wow....I continue to be staggered by the cluelessness of some people.
 
I am finding it very difficult to understand why someone with apparently everything to live for - Husband, children, success, social acceptance and hitherto declared happiness, would be stupid enough to have taken such powerful drugs in the first place. Also, wouldn't her mother's example be a very strong warning of the dangers?

We ALL die one day, so what's not to get over!? Grieve over the death of a loved one, never forget them, but move on and don't ruin your own life!

It's likely that her husband knew about her heroin usage even if her father didn't. It's not something you can hide anyway.

Well, we can only speculate.
 
It was always looking likely there was some hard drug involvement. You would have thought she would have steered clear of that after what happened to her mother. A sad but totally avoidable death.
 
I have not read anywhere that it was a suicide..possibly or an accident.. but let us remember that no one knows what goes on in other peoples lives and none of us is perfect.

I hope that her family can come to terms with this in the best way they can what ever that may be.
 
From the BBC report:

"Heroin is "likely" to have played a role in the death of Peaches Geldof, an inquest has revealed."

Hardly sounds conclusive or like suicide does it

 
new2me said:
Genuinely puzzles why people do tbh.
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....Speculating is merely exercising our brains to seek the possible conclusions. I think to speculate is quite normal and healthy providing that a very open mind is maintained. It's just discussion and sharing of what we think may turn out to be the truth (assuming that a truth can ever be known).
 
Heroin is "likely" to have played a role in the death of Peaches Geldof, an inquest has revealed.
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Which isn't always an indication of suicide. Could be that the effects caused her to die from another cause, ie falling down the stairs. Could be the purity was higher than she thought and it was an inadvertent overdose.
Just because drugs were involved it does, if indeed they were, that they were the direct cause of death.

The full inquest will be heard in the fullness of time, at end of that the cause and manner of her death will be known.
 
Bernie174 said:
Which isn't always an indication of suicide. Could be that the effects caused her to die from another cause, ie falling down the stairs. Could be the purity was higher than she thought and it was an inadvertent overdose.
Just because drugs were involved it does, if indeed they were, that they were the direct cause of death.

The full inquest will be heard in the fullness of time, at end of that the cause and manner of her death will be known.
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Agree didn't the same thing just happen to the actor Philip Seymour Hoffman.
 
[quote. ="viv1969, post: 6239003, member: 51960"]Wow....I continue to be staggered by the cluelessness of some people.[/quote]
I know. You'd think at 25 she'd know she'd be risking her life taking drugs.
 
if she hasnt topped herself then wtf was she doing jacking up while looking after her children, drugs like these have no part in our society and the penalties for dealing and using need to be much harder
 
The question to be answered is, she didn't leave home that day apparently and heroin was found in her body, yet the police found no evidence of drug equipment in her house.

So who cleared up before calling the police?
 
didn't leave home that day apparently and heroin was found in her body, yet the police found no evidence of drug equipment in her house.
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How long does Heroin, or any other drug stay in your system? Quite a while after the 'high' feelings have gone. But, the impairment remains for considerably longer the hit. In the same way as alcohol does.
 
Byker28i said:
The question to be answered is, she didn't leave home that day apparently and heroin was found in her body, yet the police found no evidence of drug equipment in her house.

So who cleared up before calling the police?
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Who says anything was cleared up?

Heroin can be taken in many different forms
 
Keith W said:
Who says anything was cleared up?

Heroin can be taken in many different forms
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It can indeed, they may inject it directly into their veins or muscles with syringes; they may snort lines of it in powdered form; or they may smoke it in rolled, marijuana-like joints. Can you explain how you take heroin and leave no trace?
 
terryuk said:
if she hasnt topped herself then wtf was she doing jacking up while looking after her children, drugs like these have no part in our society and the penalties for dealing and using need to be much harder
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Obblox! Diamorphine is used a lot in the medical profession and is an incredibly effective form of pain relief. Had she been "jacking up" (as you so nicely put it [presumably in an attempt to seem "down wiv da kidz..."]) there would have been visible needle marks which would have been spotted far earlier in the investigation.
 
Keith W said:
My understanding from following this is that Peaches never got over her mothers suicide and decided to take her own life in the same way her mother did.
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so we're saying that that chip in her head just got switched to overload ?
 
Nod said:
Obblox! Diamorphine is used a lot in the medical profession and is an incredibly effective form of pain relief. Had she been "jacking up" (as you so nicely put it [presumably in an attempt to seem "down wiv da kidz..."]) there would have been visible needle marks which would have been spotted far earlier in the investigation.
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she could have been smoking it (known to those who are down wiv da kidz as 'chasing the dragon') - those who arent addicts probably don't habve a ready supply to hand in order to OD
 
It's possible to prove positive for opiates in a drugs test by eating a Poppy seed covered bagel.

I'm not for a second saying this is the case with Peaches, merely pointing out that there are lots of possibilities and we should wait for the results of the inquest before making any judgements about her parenting etc. Truth is we have no idea how she died.
 
Nod said:
Obblox! Diamorphine is used a lot in the medical profession and is an incredibly effective form of pain relief. Had she been "jacking up" (as you so nicely put it [presumably in an attempt to seem "down wiv da kidz..."]) there would have been visible needle marks which would have been spotted far earlier in the investigation.
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Indeed. More people have taken heroin than realise it. But they'd have been given it under its Sunday name of diamorphine.
If you've ever had a baby, you were probably given heroin during labour. Also, if you've had a serious injury or otherwise been admitted to hospital with severe pain.

I've been given heroin during labour and it was bloody lovely.
 
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Keith W said:
I could but I am not going to
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Easy answer.
However:
Police discovered no sign of drugs paraphernalia at the home in Wrotham after she was found, prompting speculation that someone had cleaned the scene before they arrived.
Detectives are now expected to investigate what happened to items associated with either smoking or injecting heroin, which would have been expected to be found at the property.
Police are also expected to focus on who supplied the drug to Ms Geldof.
 
it is however something of a fiction that diamophine and heroin are the same thing

for one thing the manfacturing process for diamophine is considerably more stringent and controlled in terms of removing impurities - which is why diamorphine is white powder and colourless when disolved whereas heroin resembles brown sugar (as the rolling stones told us 'brown sugar , you taste so good - that song wasn't about the great british bake off, or the joys of coloured girls ! )

and for another streeet heroin will be cut with all sorts of other agents (varying from harmless like milk sugar , to less harmless rat poison) in order to dilute it to make it go further.
 
big soft moose said:
it is however something of a fiction that diamophine and heroin are the same thing

for one thing the manfacturing process for diamophine is considerably more stringent and controlled in terms of removing impurities - which is why diamorphine is white powder and colourless when disolved whereas heroin resembles brown sugar (as the rolling stones told us 'brown sugar , you taste so good - that song wasn't about the great british bake off, or the joys of coloured girls ! )

and for another streeet heroin will be cut with all sorts of other agents (varying from harmless like milk sugar , to less harmless rat poison) in order to dilute it to make it go further.
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Well, you're drawing a fair distinction between the "street" drug and the medical drug in terms of purity. But in both cases the active ingredient is exactly the same - diamorphine. Yes, street heroin will contain more impurities, but the point is that the experience of the active drug itself - the reason people abuse it - is more common than we often realise.

"Heroin" was actually the original brand name of the medical drug; and it was synthesised in an attempt to create a less abusable form of morphine.
 
big soft moose said:
it is however something of a fiction that diamophine and heroin are the same thing

for one thing the manfacturing process for diamophine is considerably more stringent and controlled in terms of removing impurities - which is why diamorphine is white powder and colourless when disolved whereas heroin resembles brown sugar (as the rolling stones told us 'brown sugar , you taste so good - that song wasn't about the great british bake off, or the joys of coloured girls ! )

and for another streeet heroin will be cut with all sorts of other agents (varying from harmless like milk sugar , to less harmless rat poison) in order to dilute it to make it go further.
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Well, you're drawing a fair distinction between the "street" drug and the medical drug in terms of purity. But in both cases the active ingredient is exactly the same - diamorphine. Yes, street heroin will contain more impurities, but the point is that the experience of the active drug itself - the reason people abuse it - is more common than we often realise.

"Heroin" was actually the original brand name of the medical drug; and it was synthesised in an attempt to create a less abusable form of morphine.
 
ghoti said:
Well, you're drawing a fair distinction between the "street" drug and the medical drug in terms of purity. But in both cases the active ingredient is exactly the same - diamorphine. Yes, street heroin will contain more impurities, but the point is that the experience of the active drug itself - the reason people abuse it - is more common than we often realise.

"Heroin" was actually the original brand name of the medical drug; and it was synthesised in an attempt to create a less abusable form of morphine.
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but the point is that a pathologist will be able to tell whether she had street heroin or diamophine in her blood
 
big soft moose said:
but the point is that a pathologist will be able to tell whether she had street heroin or diamophine in her blood
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Not necessarily. The pathologist will be testing for the presence of diamorphine which is exactly the same compound regardless of whether it's "street" or medical (they'll actually be looking for morphine metabolites).
Often, to determine the presence of specific other impurities a sample of the drug itself as taken is needed.


The different impurities don't distribute themselves in the body equally. They'll all be subject to their own absorption rates, tissue distribution and metabolism.

But I think we're addressing different points anyway. I was adding to the thread of conversation that started with someone saying that these drugs have absolutely no place in society.
 
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ghoti said:
But I think we're addressing different points anyway. I was adding to the thread of conversation that started with someone saying that these drugs have absolutely no place in society.
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but even on that point - since dia mophine and street heroin are different , the person concerned was clearly saying that drugs such as street heroin have no place in society
 
This thread is absolute proof that some things are futile to discuss on a forum.

The human condition is one such subject.
 
big soft moose said:
but even on that point - since dia mophine and street heroin are different , the person concerned was clearly saying that drugs such as street heroin have no place in society
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They're not essentially different. Not in their desired effects. The drug itself - the active ingredient - is exactly the same.

What you're saying is sort of like saying that aspirin delivered in pill matrix is different from aspirin delivered in aqueous solution. Different "mixture", same active ingredient.

Or maybe the person was suggesting heroin would be A-OK as a leisure pursuit if only we could guarantee medical grade product for users*. In which case you'd have a point. But I don't think that was the message being conveyed.


*I actually don't think this is an entirely ridiculous idea.
 
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Incidentally, most heroin ODs are down to overly pure product, rather than poor quality product. Users used to lower quality and therefore higher doses who unknowningly come into possession of high purity heroin. So they get an unexpectedly high dose.

At high doses opiate analgesics like diamorphine cause respiratory paralysis and (if you're not in the lobby of your local hospital) subsequent death.
 
Byker28i said:
Easy answer.
However:
Police discovered no sign of drugs paraphernalia at the home in Wrotham after she was found, prompting speculation that someone had cleaned the scene before they arrived.
Detectives are now expected to investigate what happened to items associated with either smoking or injecting heroin, which would have been expected to be found at the property.
Police are also expected to focus on who supplied the drug to Ms Geldof.
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The key word there is speculation

And no, not an easy answer, but the right one to give to your question
 
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