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neil_g said:
on the flip side, no design/graphics dept worth their salt will use glossy screens.

personally i hate gloss, its like trying to work on a mirror.
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Not strictly true, as the colour reproduction is far better than on matte, so many studios use them for that reason... you just need to angle away from glare...

And the mouse is no longer one button (not been for a long time).... they just cunningly hidden several buttons under one.... :)
 
Llama said:
but how much do they cost?
fair play if it cheap but he only nice laptops and desktop iv seen have been very overpriced for there spec (witch is the problem people have with apple isn't it?

Jack
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As much or as little as you want to spend.

Gone are the days of horrid beige base units.
 
neil_g said:
As much or as little as you want to spend.

Gone are the days of horrid beige base units.
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You say horrid but even when beige was the vogue, Apple nailed it with the old quadra and 85/86/95/9600 models... that was computer porn back in the day, and that's even before we've brought the 20th anniversary MAC into the equation :lol:

Then they upped their game when Ives joined the fray.... the rest is history :)
 
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badboy1984 said:
to behonest if you going to bootcamp and run windows on a Mac then i don't see the whole point. If you want to use Mac than stick with Mac and if you want window then stick with PC.

They both have their use and it doesn't effect performance of using Photoshop and Lightroom to behonest.

Like someone mention, if you want a all rounder station then get PC ....... to me Mac is only for work purpose. Even at home if i do work i won't even bother turn my mac on, just use window .......

Hardware is cheaper to upgrade on PC as well and make upgrade alot cheaper.
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Being lucky enough to have both I use the Windows based lap-top for office and all that carp (I do have Lightroom and CS3 on it)......and Mac for everything else as it's simpler with Aperture and Elements (without the bloated Microsoft stuff)- and that screen:love:
 
neil_g said:
As much or as little as you want to spend.

Gone are the days of horrid beige base units.
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im not saying all PC's are ugly or anything but iv not seen anyones as tasty looking as a mac and the ones that i have seen that are close have the same problem, far more than there spec is worth, so if youre looking for a nice looking computer u might as well get the nice logo and OS thrown in :p

Jack
 
joescrivens said:
i guess you havent seen the dell ultrasharp range then?
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Can't say I have but your comment peeked my interest. Purchasing a similar sizes Dell Ultrasharp would certainly negate the price advantage of the PC, in fact it would make the PC significantly more expensive.

neil_g said:
on the flip side, no design/graphics dept worth their salt will use glossy screens.

personally i hate gloss, its like trying to work on a mirror.
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Virtually every design/graphic studio on the planet uses MAC.
 
neil_g said:
Not doubting that for one minute. Ours does, we have a floor full of them which I help support.
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Sorry Neil, I should have read the whole thread before commenting. I honestly didn't know that you could get a non-glossy version. Are these special order or available to us home users?
 
gingerweasel said:
Sorry Neil, I should have read the whole thread before commenting. I honestly didn't know that you could get a non-glossy version. Are these special order or available to us home users?
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You can use pretty much whatever monitor you want with a Mac Pro :p
 
gingerweasel said:
Sorry Neil, I should have read the whole thread before commenting. I honestly didn't know that you could get a non-glossy version. Are these special order or available to us home users?
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They do offer a matte "anti glare" screen on some laptops, i think it may be limited to some MacBook pros unless they've changed it.
 
bloody hell, can we call this topic a quit ........ Mac this and PC this will just go on forever.

Is like comparing Lambo and a Ferrari ......

If you want PC just get a damn PC or if you want a MAC then get a god damn MAC.

Statement finish.
 
I like Macs but i like PC's more. I can pull a PC to bits and upgrade it and it is so much cheaper
 
I like pcs but then I like macs too. But which is better?
Only one way to find out!

FIIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTT
 
yip even a keyboard with a number pad

acetone said:
Does that include
27 ISP Monitor
Wire less keyboard (and not a platictic clickty clack one)
Wireles mouse
wifi
bluetooth
web cam
Mic
2 x USB3 (as oposed to thunderbolt)
Speakers
SD card slot
OS


And can I just have just ONE cable coming out the back to a power socket, Oh I don't have room on or under my desk for a big box. Also I don't do DIY I want to unpack one box, plug it in and go, without spending time installing the OS .
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so the mac mouse you currently get with the imac has more than just the one button. must have changed it since my bro in laws imac arrived then

joescrivens said:
It's been a Loooooooong time since the mac mouse only had one button, in fact it was even before I owned a mac
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POAH said:
so the mac mouse you currently get with the imac has more than just the one button. must have changed it since my bro in laws imac arrived then
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The current magic mouse has NO buttons which you can see, but can be set-up to work as if it has multiple buttons as it has a touch sensitive surface.

I will agree the mouse is one part of design they just can't get right. I used the MM for one day before going back to my intellimouse, the MM is just the wrong shape for long term use.


Oh you can have a keyboard with numberpad with your iMac, just not wireless, it's the option I made.
 
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POAH said:
so the mac mouse you currently get with the imac has more than just the one button. must have changed it since my bro in laws imac arrived then
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when did he get it?

I think the old wireless apple mouse, and we're talking 2003 -2006 ish only had left click, but I'm not even sure about that. I never owned one of those as the mighty mouse came with my imac and before that I had a macbook without a mouse.

The apple pro mouse
The mighty Mouse
Magic mouse

all have a right button. In fact the mighty mouse had 4 buttons - left and right click, centre wheel click and the squeeze on the sides.

As stated above, the new magic mouse has left and right click as standard and then you can create many different multi touch gestures and clicks including one, 2 3 and 4 finger clicks as well as taps, swipes and pinches etc.

It's a very typical ill informed pc user that complains about mac mouses only having one button, just because there is no physical seperation from the buttons doesn't mean you only have one. It's actually a much better design because all my old pc mouses with several buttons used to get clogged up with crap in the button seams.
 
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POAH said:
so the mac mouse you currently get with the imac has more than just the one button. must have changed it since my bro in laws imac arrived then
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My mac mouse has no buttons and it's brilliant, (even for this old fart who don't like change).......but instead of cheese it eats batteries:(
 
If your going to buy a ready built PC then your choices have just been reduced, as HP have announced they are to stop making PC and tablets. Dell shares dropped 10% after the slashed its sales growth forecast. Things not looking too good in PC making world at the moment.

Yet Apple briefly became the biggest company in the USA on Tuesday when market value rose to $341.5 billion (which is weird for a company that has not paid a dividend to share holders for a decade or more), love them or hate them, they have got something right.
 
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whiteflyer said:
Yet Apple briefly became the biggest company in the USA on Tuesday when market value rose to $341.5 billion (which is weird for a company that has not paid a dividend to share holders for a decade or more), love them or hate them, they have got something right.
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marketing, pricing, image.. i suspect at a guess their growth is more to do with their mobile devices rather than their computers however.
 
joescrivens said:
you'd be surprised. Apple's pc share is growing faster than any of the competition

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/may/24/apple-sales-growth-pc-market
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interesting read..

so if im reading that right (not enough caffine this morning) the mobile devices kick started the computer sales by introducing people to the brand and its matching look and feel.

very clever.

in the same way that sony building blu-ray into its latest console was a smart move.
 
neil_g said:
interesting read..

so if im reading that right (not enough caffine this morning) the mobile devices kick started the computer sales by introducing people to the brand and its matching look and feel.

very clever.

in the same way that sony building blu-ray into its latest console was a smart move.
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it does seem to be one of the things they say - the halo effect. Makes sense I suppose.

If you get a product you really like there's a good chance you'll buy something else from that company.
 
Mobile devices are going to be a huge problem for Microsoft, as people start to use iOS and Android they realizes they have a choice and they don't need to use windows.

I would be very surprised if Google don't enter the computing hardware market at some stage with a tablet at least, just have they have now bought the mobile phone side of Motorola to have the hardware/software for their own phone, they will do the same for the gPad ;)

IMHO one of the huge success building things Apple did was the Apple store, you can go in and get knowledgeable staff to explain everything about an Apple product without much pressure to buy, where as going to PC world they'll try to sell you a TV and Fridge while your there.
 
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whiteflyer said:
Mobile devices are going to be a huge problem for Microsoft, as people start to use iOS and Android they realizes they have a choice and they don't need to use windows.

I would be very surprised if Google don't enter the computing hardware market at some stage with a tablet at least, just have they have now bought the mobile phone side of Motorola to have the hardware/software for their own phone, they will do the same for the gPad ;)
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indeed. potentially MS need to be careful they dont end up being a business OS.

edit - incidentally now we seem to have cut through the usual arguments there are some good snippets of debate/info in here.
 
whiteflyer said:
I would be very surprised if Google don't enter the computing hardware market at some stage with a tablet at least
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let me introduce you to the chromebook

http://www.google.co.uk/chromebook/

ok so samsung and acer actually make them. But they are very much branded a google product. It's no different to LG making apple's screen, except apple stick their logo on it.

I think the point is that google don't yet have a brand name associated with hardware so they leave well known hardware names on their product for now
 
to behonest, microsoft don't really need to make mobile device to success in the industry. They already took a huge chunk of the market and it will stay like that for a long period of time.
 
badboy1984 said:
to behonest, microsoft don't really need to make mobile device to success in the industry. They already took a huge chunk of the market and it will stay like that for a long period of time.
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define huge chunk?

microsoft share fell this year from 8% to 5.8% of the mobile OS market

you call less than 6% of the market a huge chunk?
 
joescrivens said:
define huge chunk?

microsoft share fell this year from 8% to 5.8% of the mobile OS market

you call less than 6% of the market a huge chunk?
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I think you need to read carefully on what i wrote and maybe i didn't write it up clearly on my last statement.

Microsoft don't need to make or enter the mobile device at all, they already a leading company around the world. They didn't do so well on mobile device but on actual computer, server etc they beat many company down.
 
badboy1984 said:
I think you need to read carefully on what i wrote and maybe i didn't write it up clearly on my last statement.

Microsoft don't need to make or enter the mobile device at all, they already a leading company around the world. They didn't do so well on mobile device but on actual computer, server etc they beat many company down.
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i re-read it carefully and I think you worded it incorrectly

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to behonest, microsoft don't really need to make mobile device to success in the industry. They already took a huge chunk of the market and it will stay like that for a long period of time.
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which reads that they don't need a mobile to be a success in the industry because they already have a hug chunk of the market.

but what you meant was that they have a huge chunk of the desktop and laptop pc market - not the mobile market

Also I think you'll find that windows market share is dropping each year and Mac OS and Google Chrome is gaining. Microsoft can't sit back and do nothing, they still need to innovate to stay ahead of the game
 
joescrivens said:
Also I think you'll find that windows market share is dropping each year and Mac OS and Google Chrome is gaining. Microsoft can't sit back and do nothing, they still need to innovate to stay ahead of the game
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even i agree with that.

however i cannot see businesses replacing Windows as the desktop of choice at the present time. especially as OSX is tied to Apple hardware, the cost to do so would be enormous (that and the server OS being lead by MS, and no viable option for OSX server since the rack kit being phased out). however the home market is a different kettle of fish hence my previous comment about MS needing to be careful about becoming a business OS.
 
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as a computer background person, i can't see apple will have a better networking solution than microsoft for a long period of time.
 
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