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badboy1984 said:
as a computer background person, i can't see apple will have a better networking solution than microsoft for a long period of time.
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well they wont. while they still have a server OS, they've canned their specific server hardware. sure you can still use it on mac pros or mac mini but one is too big and the other not enough grunt.
 
I also agree that apple aren't going to win big in the business market with their current model

but Google Chrome OS? watch this space, haven't used it myself so can't comment
 
joescrivens said:
I also agree that apple aren't going to win big in the business market with their current model

but Google Chrome OS? watch this space, haven't used it myself so can't comment
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I've worked for a number of blue chip companies and I can't honestly see Google Chrome OS making any headway in the business arena. For a start the applications just aren't mature enough, and the office suite is a joke.

Beyond that you also have the issue of data security, only recently Google admitted to handing over data stored on their EU based servers to the US intelligence services. Given that US legislation has no power in the EU or over those people living here it posses some serious questions about using technology services based in other countries.
 
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gingerweasel said:
I've worked for a number of blue chip companies and I can't honestly see Google Chrome OS making any headway in the business arena. For a start the applications just aren't mature enough, and the office suite is a joke.

Beyond that you also have the issue of data security, only recently Google admitted to handing over data stored on their EU based servers to the US intelligence services. Given that US legislation has no power in the EU or over those people living here it posses some serious questions about using technology services based in other countries.
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but you are talking about the OS right now. Who's to say how it will mature as the years go by
 
neil_g said:
however i cannot see businesses replacing Windows as the desktop of choice at the present time..
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if im honest i hope it never will, i love apple and all there products, but part of what i love is that im one of the few people that own them, we cant all feel smug about our lovely overpriced computer (and lets face it as fanboys and girls that is a large part of the appeal) If everybody had a mac it wouldn't be special in the same way, i would still prefer it because i do genuinely prefer the OS for MOST day to day things, but a large part of what make it good is the fact it makes me feel individual (i know thats the biggest cliché in the book but u know what i mean)

I think there gonna have real problems trying to expand like they are because they'll destroy the niche market that they had by growing to big.

Jack :thumbs:
 
Llama said:
if im honest i hope it never will, i love apple and all there products, but part of what i love is that im one of the few people that own them, we cant all feel smug about our lovely overpriced computer (and lets face it as fanboys and girls that is a large part of the appeal) If everybody had a mac it wouldn't be special in the same way, i would still prefer it because i do genuinely prefer the OS for MOST day to day things, but a large part of what make it good is the fact it makes me feel individual (i know thats the biggest cliché in the book but u know what i mean)

I think there gonna have real problems trying to expand like they are because they'll destroy the niche market that they had by growing to big.

Jack :thumbs:
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cant say i agree with this, I couldn't care less if everyone and their son had a mac. I dont need to feel unique, and the number of macs out there it isn't really the unique system anymore. I would like to see a graph of the home market share and i wouldn't be surprised if it were very even now. Its the business side that skews the share massively towards windows.

Having a huge market share of the mp3 and smartphone market hasn't gone against their favor either so why would it with home computers?

The only downside i can see is more viruses knocking about.

and no i don't enjoy having to pay more for the product, but i live with it because it's what i want to use.
 
Im not saying i like paying the extra, but by paying it it means less people have it (which i do like :P ) And i see your point about the post PC devices, but i think it might be different with macs for the reason you pointed out, viruses :(

O well we can only wait and see

Jack
 
Microsoft not having a significant presence in the mobile, and will increasingly become problem as mobile devices become more powerful. You can already get a mobile phone that attaches to a screen/keyboard dock. You can attach a keyboard dock to an iPad. The line between laptops and mobile devices is starting to blur. If a mobile device gets powerful enough to do the basics well, browsing, word processing, image editing, even the desktop becomes less significant. :shrug: HP have seen where the money lies (software/apps) and 'that it is pulling the plug on its tablets and smartphones and preparing to abandon the personal computer market altogether'. :eek:

I can see many family homes having say one desktop/server and they access that through mobile phones/pads, which can have keyboard/screens attached, as in the links above, and can plug into, or connect wirelessly, to the TV. If that were to be the future, then HP's decision looks a wise one.

People like consistency, which is why Apple's computer sales are thriving on the back of the iPod/iPhone/iPad successes. Windows 7 looks nothing like Microsoft's mobile OS, but I think I read a few months ago that their future computer OS will look similar to the mobile version.

Both Apple and Microsoft are wary of Google. I think for mobile devices at least, their OS not being tied to their own devices, and also having different versions, will harm their chances of being a 'must have' when buying. At the moment, the hardware sells the mobile device, not the OS, though the OS is slowly becoming more important, especially when there may be similar phones (aren't they all touchscreen now? ;) :lol:) with little feature differences apart from the OS. :shrug:

The problem I have with Google is their aims of making everything in 'the Cloud'. It's great for the company, but not for the individual imho. Having to rely on a network connection of some description to do some simple things, and rely on someone to keep your data secure, is not a good idea. They are not the only ones with that aim though, Adobe and Microsoft would rather you pay as you use, rather than have their software on your computer. Hopefully people will rebel against these plans, but in the 'app world' we live in, people may increasingly not see 'the cloud' model as a problem. :shrug:

Sorry for the ramble, but I'm bored. :lol:
 
joescrivens said:
but you are talking about the OS right now. Who's to say how it will mature as the years go by
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In Chrome the application suites are so tightly woven into the OS they are essentially one and the same. To enter the business market Google would have to provide a solid office suite with intergrated messaging - Gmail and Google Docs just don't cut it.

Right now nothing, and I do mean nothing, comes close to Microsoft Office and Microsoft Exchange.

Add to this the data concerns I've already mentioned and the cost implications for businesses to make an OS switch and 99.9% of them won't even consider it.

Most large corporations hesitated over the Office 2010 upgrade because of the interface differences. One business I was working with put aside nearly £250,000 to re-train all of it's employees.

A lot of people seemed to think that Linux would put an end to Microsoft's domination in the corporate market place but again it's just not an option for most. Re-training costs, increased costs related to IT salaries and no sense of a longterm roadmap to supply the applications they need.
 
joescrivens said:
when did he get it?

I think the old wireless apple mouse, and we're talking 2003 -2006 ish only had left click, but I'm not even sure about that. I never owned one of those as the mighty mouse came with my imac and before that I had a macbook without a mouse.

The apple pro mouse
The mighty Mouse
Magic mouse

all have a right button. In fact the mighty mouse had 4 buttons - left and right click, centre wheel click and the squeeze on the sides.

As stated above, the new magic mouse has left and right click as standard and then you can create many different multi touch gestures and clicks including one, 2 3 and 4 finger clicks as well as taps, swipes and pinches etc.

It's a very typical ill informed pc user that complains about mac mouses only having one button, just because there is no physical seperation from the buttons doesn't mean you only have one. It's actually a much better design because all my old pc mouses with several buttons used to get clogged up with crap in the button seams.
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you just push the top down - tis crap for any of the work I do
 
Easy...

Macs are for Nikon users.
PCs are for Canon users.

:exit:
 
Macs are good

PC's are good

The end :bonk:
 
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