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I would value your thoughts an opinion on this simple photo, I will not say what I saw. Initially I am interested if any anyone sees the same things I saw and I do not want to influence any opinions. A guess at a title would be an added bonus.

There is a very slight alignment crop, which has not removed anything really and one click auto. It is as I shot it.

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According to a recent survey, those who like my posts are happier, more intelligent and better looking than those who don't.

LOL I love this signature LOL

I don't mind the image myself. The old man and his dog draw my eye and then it moves to the back of the image and the pole way off in the distance.

Are they wind farm turbines off towards the rear left of the image, in a faint white?
 
My eye is drawn initially to the high contrast in the man's jacket. I then want to explore the relationship between the man and the dog. A secondary point of interest which draws my eye away from that, is the high contrast of the tidal pool in the mid ground, but I don't really find anything to move onto from there, so I lose my interest quite quickly. I don't find anything which interests me in the the remainder of the image, but recognise that the area to the left is important for balance.

Personally I would crop a little over half the sky (I know - you didn't ask about cropping).

I would give it a title like "Sit! Stay!". But as a non-dog owner, I could be misreading that interaction entirely.

You also didn't ask, but I like it.
 
I rather like the simplicity of small subject/large negative space pictures.

We are aware of the strength of the bond between man and dog and placed within a rather dull and foreboding negative space, I think this should give a feeling of comfort from the dog having the man and the man having the dog within this possibly threatening environment.

However, I find the details in the background, especially the highly reflective pool, distracting, as is the overexposed left-hand top corner.

And my dog-human giving each other comfort and companionship idea is spoiled by the dog apparently ignoring its owner (but maybe that is the story, Alone in the wilderness and even faithful fido is ignoring me).

I would have liked the dog looking up at the man or both the man and dog looking out to sea, so they are sharing the same moment.

I don't think there is any easy way to crop this. Cropping out the bits I find distracting makes the negative space feel too cramped.

Darkening the left hand sky and reducing the contrast of the areas behind the man and dog would improve the sense of open space/emptiness, which I think the picture needs. I also "think" I would try to emphasise (dodge and burn) the shadows being cast by man and dog to increase the graphical impact of the picture and more strongly draw the viewer's eye to the man and dog.

Without knowing what else is in the background, so this could well be impossible, I would have tried to move further to the right and exclude the pool and the clutter behind it, but I know how easy this is to say, when you have no idea of what the circumstances were.

Moving to the right, assuming both man and dog were looking out to sea, which from this new position would have had them looking out at the wind farm, would add another dimension to the picture as they would both be looking from an empty wild space into a space filled with new technology.

There is a really nice tonality in the man and dog, and I can see why it caught your attention, but it doesn't quite work for me.

I think of a picture as having three main elements; Context, Content (the subject's contribution) and Craft (the photographer's contribution), and a title can often add considerably to understanding the context and the photographer's intent behind the picture. I don't find titles very easy to come up with.
 
Thank you all for your comments.

On reflection (over complicating and over analyzing) in my original post rather than seeking to ask if anyone sees the same thing as me, I should be asking myself "does my photo adequately get across the message which I wished to convey".
 
What drew me to this scene, which transpired over approximately 5-10 seconds was of course man and dog on beach with his jacket picked out by the light, but as I watched and processed what was going on (the dog had been running about trying to contact a group of three other dogs away to the right) I determined he was scolding the dog, his posture stiff, domineering and bent forward from the hip arms thrust behind him rigidly - he was not reaching out with a treat, happy pat or kind word. The dog sat there contained, but indifferent to the owners posturings, But, still, despite being hero lit he was the villain, the pair of them in their own worlds insulated from the beauty, expanse and freedom of their surroundings, the dog sat captive in a prison created by his master. The master, isolated within the freedom of the scene (a happy beech dog walk), ignored by the dog, constrained and contorted by his own emotions. I made the decision to place them in a corner of the vast open space to reflect the stark contrast and their confinement .

The title I could not make up my mind, "Prisoners" or "Freedom ?"

I think after, a day or two, That "Freedom ?" would be better, and possibly encourage the viewer to consider the scene more thoughtfully. Is it even interesting? or is it even worth looking at at all.

Thanks for all the constructive advice and helping me better understand why the photo does not communicate my intentions, I am grateful of the suggestions, particularly for the "gloom" aspect, I had not identified that and only goes to reflect the gloom of the participants and enhances the photo. IMV.

The bright spot on the left is in another couple of snaps, must have a leaky seal.

Moving to the right, I feel, would have reduced the impact of the owners aggressive posture and negated the story if not entirely but substantially, and I enjoyed the tension between the posture and the hero lighting, but anecdotally the lighting may have caused a misinterpretation.

The owner and dog carried on running about and strolling in the last of the sunshine so a happy ending, the photo is only a glimpse into what I saw in those few moments.
 
What drew me to this scene, which transpired over approximately 5-10 seconds was of course man and dog on beach with his jacket picked out by the light, but as I watched and processed what was going on (the dog had been running about trying to contact a group of three other dogs away to the right) I determined he was scolding the dog, his posture stiff, domineering and bent forward from the hip arms thrust behind him rigidly - he was not reaching out with a treat, happy pat or kind word. The dog sat there contained, but indifferent to the owners posturings, But, still, despite being hero lit he was the villain, the pair of them in their own worlds insulated from the beauty, expanse and freedom of their surroundings, the dog sat captive in a prison created by his master. The master, isolated within the freedom of the scene (a happy beech dog walk), ignored by the dog, constrained and contorted by his own emotions. I made the decision to place them in a corner of the vast open space to reflect the stark contrast and their confinement .

The title I could not make up my mind, "Prisoners" or "Freedom ?"

I think after, a day or two, That "Freedom ?" would be better, and possibly encourage the viewer to consider the scene more thoughtfully. Is it even interesting? or is it even worth looking at at all.

Thanks for all the constructive advice and helping me better understand why the photo does not communicate my intentions, I am grateful of the suggestions, particularly for the "gloom" aspect, I had not identified that and only goes to reflect the gloom of the participants and enhances the photo. IMV.

The bright spot on the left is in another couple of snaps, must have a leaky seal.

Moving to the right, I feel, would have reduced the impact of the owners aggressive posture and negated the story if not entirely but substantially, and I enjoyed the tension between the posture and the hero lighting, but anecdotally the lighting may have caused a misinterpretation.

The owner and dog carried on running about and strolling in the last of the sunshine so a happy ending, the photo is only a glimpse into what I saw in those few moments.
Even with your explanation I don't pick up on the owner scolding the dog or it being an aggressive pose, but my point about the dog ignoring the owner being part of the story has turned out to be correct.

I think this would have needed to have been spelt out to me a bit more. ie including the group of dogs in the distance so the gaze of the dog ignoring its owner would lead you to the other dogs.

Or for a different, but similar story (freedom) have the dog gazing out at the empty space (appearing to want to run free) but being restrained by the owner.

But I'm loving the symbolism you are picking up on.
 
What drew me to this scene, which transpired over approximately 5-10 seconds was of course man and dog on beach with his jacket picked out by the light, but as I watched and processed what was going on (the dog had been running about trying to contact a group of three other dogs away to the right) I determined he was scolding the dog, his posture stiff, domineering and bent forward from the hip arms thrust behind him rigidly - he was not reaching out with a treat, happy pat or kind word. The dog sat there contained, but indifferent to the owners posturings, But, still, despite being hero lit he was the villain, the pair of them in their own worlds insulated from the beauty, expanse and freedom of their surroundings, the dog sat captive in a prison created by his master. The master, isolated within the freedom of the scene (a happy beech dog walk), ignored by the dog, constrained and contorted by his own emotions. I made the decision to place them in a corner of the vast open space to reflect the stark contrast and their confinement .

The title I could not make up my mind, "Prisoners" or "Freedom ?"

I think after, a day or two, That "Freedom ?" would be better, and possibly encourage the viewer to consider the scene more thoughtfully. Is it even interesting? or is it even worth looking at at all.

Thanks for all the constructive advice and helping me better understand why the photo does not communicate my intentions, I am grateful of the suggestions, particularly for the "gloom" aspect, I had not identified that and only goes to reflect the gloom of the participants and enhances the photo. IMV.

The bright spot on the left is in another couple of snaps, must have a leaky seal.

Moving to the right, I feel, would have reduced the impact of the owners aggressive posture and negated the story if not entirely but substantially, and I enjoyed the tension between the posture and the hero lighting, but anecdotally the lighting may have caused a misinterpretation.

The owner and dog carried on running about and strolling in the last of the sunshine so a happy ending, the photo is only a glimpse into what I saw in those few moments.

I was in a similar situation a few years back. I was down the beach one afternoon and saw this young woman come walking along with two heavy bags of shopping ( I presume ) she walked down the promenade steps and 50m to the waterline where she proceeded to plonk the bags down,light up a cigarette and pull her mobile out to make a call. It struck me as slightly odd behaviour and wondered at her reasoning for it. I concluded that she was 'escaping' from a situation and wanted to be as far away from people as possible, maybe phoning a secret lover or such. Anyway I like the photographfor myself, but without being aware of the previous 30 seconds before I took the image I don't think my image would work for anyone else.
 
I was in a similar situation a few years back. I was down the beach one afternoon and saw this young woman come walking along with two heavy bags of shopping ( I presume ) she walked down the promenade steps and 50m to the waterline where she proceeded to plonk the bags down,light up a cigarette and pull her mobile out to make a call. It struck me as slightly odd behaviour and wondered at her reasoning for it. I concluded that she was 'escaping' from a situation and wanted to be as far away from people as possible, maybe phoning a secret lover or such. Anyway I like the photographfor myself, but without being aware of the previous 30 seconds before I took the image I don't think my image would work for anyone else.
Its tricky isn't it, with a cast of thousands and a budget to suit you could more clearly "tell the story" of what your seeing, but in situations where you quickly have to make some kind of sense of an emotional real life situation I think there will always have to be some compromises. If its a fence post in a field you have all the time in the world to wander around look for differing perspectives and recompose. Your observant Jack and next time there is always hope that the scene may not be as ambiguous. where is the photo?
 
I used to subscribe to Amateur Photography before it was dumbed down by a new editor. One of the articles in that magazine was about competition entries and how photographers interpret the various themes and what judges were looking for. The biggest single reason for photos immediately being disregarded was the photos had a personal element that was not transferred to other viewers. Today we see this on social media like fb where some proud parent posts a photo of their baby that they are justifiably proud of. But to someone not close to the parents it is just one more of the millions of babies photographed and posted every day. There is no emotional attachment to lift the photo above any others.

It is is personal element can be a person, a pet, a house or location, even a glass of beer that the photographer holds high, but often means nothing to other people. The author of the article suggested that photographers should detach themselves from emotion and purely consider what photographic merits their competition submissions possess that others can also see.

Regards Barney's photo, I don't get anything from it. A single figure on the beach in a position strategic for composition might convey loneliness or solitude. Or if the dog was running free in front of the person it could suggest freedom being enjoyed. But, for me the man and dog in that pose add confusion that does nothing to hide or explain the scene that has little else to commend it as interesting. For me a closer view of a man and dog enjoying the beach, dog running, man throwing a ball or dog running back to man with a stick or something, properly composed would be a better photograph.
 
Its tricky isn't it, with a cast of thousands and a budget to suit you could more clearly "tell the story" of what your seeing, but in situations where you quickly have to make some kind of sense of an emotional real life situation I think there will always have to be some compromises. If its a fence post in a field you have all the time in the world to wander around look for differing perspectives and recompose. Your observant Jack and next time there is always hope that the scene may not be as ambiguous. where is the photo?
This is all part of the art and craft of photography.

Some pictures are only ever going to mean something to the photographer because he or she is the only person where the image triggers memories of the original experience that prompted the photograph.

Other photographs will mean something to the viewer that is totally unexpected by the photographer, because they are looking at it with their own experiences and memories.

And some will allow the viewer to see and feel what the photographer saw and felt when making the photograph.

As I said in another post, context can often help with interpretation, as well as some knowledge of the photographer and their body of work as a whole.

As regards photographing fence posts and "all the time in the world". Capturing the "decisive moment" applies equally to landscape and object photography in the wild.

It's different, as for example it's about the speed that the lighting can change, and the effect that any wind might have on foliage, and how the exact position of leaves can make or destroy an image. Not just when the photograph is about the leaves, but also about what the leaves are doing in the background, or how they might hide and reveal important parts of the subject. But because you don't have pictures dominated by a human interaction, the expectation of "perfection" in all aspects of the composition is higher. It's also different, because it's easier to realise that a picture won't work and just not take it.

The genius of Cartier Bresson was his perfect timing of both the action and the "geometry" of his pictures, hence our appreciation of the decisive moment, being that moment when action and geometry are aligned. What we hear very little about are the thousands of photographs that these great photographers with this skill of perfect timing, throw away. In saying this, I'm not in any way belittling their skills, but when you listen to them speaking, it's comforting to realise that they seem to struggle just as much as the rest of us.

Ansel Adams said "Twelve significant photographs in one year is a good crop".

As a final aside, it's amazing how fast snails can move. Multiple times I have set up to take a photograph where a snail plays an important compositional role, only to abandon the picture because the snail has moved so far out of position that the picture no longer exists.

This also means that when taking photographs I am working even slower than at a snail's pace. :-(
 
Its tricky isn't it, with a cast of thousands and a budget to suit you could more clearly "tell the story" of what your seeing, but in situations where you quickly have to make some kind of sense of an emotional real life situation I think there will always have to be some compromises. If its a fence post in a field you have all the time in the world to wander around look for differing perspectives and recompose. Your observant Jack and next time there is always hope that the scene may not be as ambiguous. where is the photo?
Here's the photo Wayne, digital btw so delete if necessary. Also looking back I wouldn't have framed it so tight.

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I used to subscribe to Amateur Photography before it was dumbed down by a new editor. One of the articles in that magazine was about competition entries and how photographers interpret the various themes and what judges were looking for. The biggest single reason for photos immediately being disregarded was the photos had a personal element that was not transferred to other viewers. Today we see this on social media like fb where some proud parent posts a photo of their baby that they are justifiably proud of. But to someone not close to the parents it is just one more of the millions of babies photographed and posted every day. There is no emotional attachment to lift the photo above any others.

It is is personal element can be a person, a pet, a house or location, even a glass of beer that the photographer holds high, but often means nothing to other people. The author of the article suggested that photographers should detach themselves from emotion and purely consider what photographic merits their competition submissions possess that others can also see.

Regards Barney's photo, I don't get anything from it. A single figure on the beach in a position strategic for composition might convey loneliness or solitude. Or if the dog was running free in front of the person it could suggest freedom being enjoyed. But, for me the man and dog in that pose add confusion that does nothing to hide or explain the scene that has little else to commend it as interesting. For me a closer view of a man and dog enjoying the beach, dog running, man throwing a ball or dog running back to man with a stick or something, properly composed would be a better photograph.
Thanks for your thoughts Clive, never having read amateur photographer and reading your comments thank goodness, competition photography is not the be all and end all of photography, and overall a very pessimistic view, a baby is just a baby, a tree is just a tree, a boat is just a boat, a castle is just a castle. Is there anything worth Photographing?

A glossy magazine, type photo of a dog running back with a stick which could easily have text superimposed over it "Good boy Doggy Biscuits", is an appeal to the brainwashed and sentimental crap IMO.
 
Here's the photo Wayne, digital btw so delete if necessary. Also looking back I wouldn't have framed it so tight.

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I rather like this.

My first instinct is that it would be better if the woman was on the right, but my second thought was that I rather like her being "hemmed" into the bottom left corner, especially when you realise she has shed the heavy load of her shopping bags, and is looking out to the open sea.

What is she thinking about: is she just enjoying a break from a tedious day of shopping? Is she dreading going home ? Is she contemplating walking out into the water and ending it all. The overall mood of the picture doesn't suggest she is having a fun day out.

I think I would probably burn the white poly bag a bit and lift the highlight in her hair a little, just to move the focus from the bags to her.
 
Thanks for your thoughts Clive, never having read amateur photographer and reading your comments thank goodness, competition photography is not the be all and end all of photography, and overall a very pessimistic view, a baby is just a baby, a tree is just a tree, a boat is just a boat, a castle is just a castle. Is there anything worth Photographing?
Why is this a pessimistic view?

What the AP seems to be saying, is that for a photograph to succeed in a competition: a photograph of a baby needs to be more than "just a baby", or a photograph of a tree needs to be more than "just a tree" etc etc That sounds like pretty good advice to me for anyone wanting to succeed as a photographer, and say something interesting with their photographs beyond using it as a descriptive tool to record family memories.

The AP isn't saying these things aren't worth photographing, or even that they aren't worth entering into a competition, only that they need to be photographed in a way that says more than "this is how our Billy looked when he was three" for it to mean anything to people outwith Billy's circle of family and friends.





A glossy magazine, type photo of a dog running back with a stick which could easily have text superimposed over it "Good boy Doggy Biscuits", is an appeal to the brainwashed and sentimental crap IMO.
 
Here's the photo Wayne, digital btw so delete if necessary. Also looking back I wouldn't have framed it so tight.

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I like that Jack, The angle is unusual and the focal length does not lead to a great deal of separation, I like the two left hand waves pointing at the girl and the third wave forming a triangle which also points at her, the elliptic shadows under the wave crests create a great deal of tension against the straight lines of the waves, I just get the overall impression that "something" is going on, quite menacing IMO. Then I get to the girl, unusual seeing a girl on the beach like that with shopping bags and is making me ask why? The footprints seem to indicate that she has walked to the edge of the water and retreated, why? the first bag and the triangle of white reflects her head while the second bag her jacket, giving me the impression of that being a squashed and deflated version of her body, the cigarette and the phone ( i assume she is on the phone) further adding to the stress.

There are any numbers of scenarios that could have caused this situation to arise, but I enjoyed looking at the photo and pondering its merits and the questions it raised. Thanks for sharing.
 
Thanks for your thoughts Clive, never having read amateur photographer and reading your comments thank goodness, competition photography is not the be all and end all of photography, and overall a very pessimistic view, a baby is just a baby, a tree is just a tree, a boat is just a boat, a castle is just a castle. Is there anything worth Photographing?

A glossy magazine, type photo of a dog running back with a stick which could easily have text superimposed over it "Good boy Doggy Biscuits", is an appeal to the brainwashed and sentimental crap IMO.


I certainly find things worth photographing as do many on here.

I do find some of your comments strange. Your explanation of what you think the man and dog convey isn't what I would think of it. Did you think that when you took the shot or after you posted it?

What exactly are you trying to achieve. Is it something different from what are artistically popular themes? That approach rarely happens to succeed unless you have already succeeded and then people will take your pushing the boundary seriously. Equally rarely is instant success in photography. Not surprising really as there are many elements to master, some artistic and some technical. The latter has to be learned the hard way. I once worked with a bloke who had been a photographer in the RAF. Technically he was brilliant. He had worked with field cameras and had all the dark room skills. But he couldn't take an interesting photograph to save his life. His work had been a constant repitition of posed photos commemorating the passing out of courses, awarding medals, etc. When he submitted a photo to our club competitions it was beautifully exposed, crisp sharp and well printed. But they had nothing regards subject interest.

I think that you need to go back a page or two and re-read the well meaning comments about trying to run before you have mastered walking. Put the MF gear in the drawer for a while and stick to one 35mm outfit and one method of film developing. When you see a scene worth recording ask yourself what you want to convey and how to achieve it before you press the shutter. Then when you have processed and viewed it go back and make a better shot.
 
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I know this is film section but I think that this digital image adds to this conversation on seeing.

This is my version of a dog with a stick. Taken on the same afternoon a perhaps 20 minutes earlier.

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With the closing comment of there are none so blind as those who will not see, I'm out.
Your self analysis is admirable, and don't forget to take your acute case of cynicism with you.
 
I used to subscribe to Amateur Photography before it was dumbed down by a new editor. One of the articles in that magazine was about competition entries and how photographers interpret the various themes and what judges were looking for. The biggest single reason for photos immediately being disregarded was the photos had a personal element that was not transferred to other viewers. Today we see this on social media like fb where some proud parent posts a photo of their baby that they are justifiably proud of. But to someone not close to the parents it is just one more of the millions of babies photographed and posted every day. There is no emotional attachment to lift the photo above any others

We see a lot of photos like this on TP too, to be honest. One of the things I really appreciate about Des's nature photography is that they are more like portraits than just record shots of animals doing random things in nature. Gav manages this at times too, but Des is notable for his consistency, and pretty much never posts a record shot.

Worth bearing in mind that not every picture has to SAY something, but there should be something we see that catches our eye.
 
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We see a lot of photos like this on TP too, to be honest. One of the things I really appreciate about Des's nature photography is that they are more like portraits than just record shots of animals doing random things in nature. Gav manages this at times too, but Des is notable for his consistency, and pretty much never posts a record shot.

Worth bearing in mind that not every picture has to SAY something, but there should be something we see that catches our eye.

Agreed. One of the most imlortant things about portraiture is to capture the character of the subject. Dorothea Lange's photos taken during the Depression are perfect examples of that. They don't need a word of explanation. It is a subject that I have always struggled with and have little interest in it. Possibly the two are contributary to each other.

Same with still life shots. I can appreciate a good one and there are many on here that I would be happy to hang on a wall, but I cannot for the life of me arrange one :D
 
Agreed. One of the most imlortant things about portraiture is to capture the character of the subject. Dorothea Lange's photos taken during the Depression are perfect examples of that. They don't need a word of explanation. It is a subject that I have always struggled with and have little interest in it. Possibly the two are contributary to each other.

Same with still life shots. I can appreciate a good one and there are many on here that I would be happy to hang on a wall, but I cannot for the life of me arrange one :D

That's an interesting perspective Clive, perhaps you have struggled because you are trying to fit into the norms of what others say your images should convey, why don't you take a leaf out of my book and portray what "you" see, you never know, you could find it strangely liberating.
 
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That's an interesting perspective Clive, perhaps you have struggled because you are trying to fit into the norms of what others say your images should convey, why don't you take a leaf out of my book and portray what "you" see, you never know, you could find it strangely liberating.

I'll try and remember that. Photograph what I see and then post a question on here asking if anyone else can see it too. ;)
 
I'll try and remember that. Photograph what I see and then post a question on here asking if anyone else can see it too. ;)
Ha ha, your capacity for comprehension is barely out done by your all encompassing fear of individualism.
As well as not framing my subject matter in my photographs to your pre conceived ideas of satisfaction, neither do I frame my questions correctly.
Good Grief

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One of the things often missing when photos are presented for critique here is a few words of explanation about what the photographer felt when they created the picture, or about what they were trying to say with the image. It's normal to at least title works in an art gallery, and a title that holds an indication of the intention may be all many need to grasp the image concept. I'd suggest this thread also demonstrates how useful it can be to 'have a way in' to understand intent. @Barney - that's not taking a pop at you or your picture.
 
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One of the things often missing when photos are presented for critique here is a few words of explanation about what the photographer felt when they created the picture, or about what they were trying to say with the image. It's normal to at least title works in an art gallery, and a title that holds an indication of the intention may be all many need to grasp the image concept. I'd suggest this thread also demonstrates how useful it can be to 'have a way in' to understand intent.
Indeed, that was the point I made earlier when I explained the value of thinking about pictures in terms of Context, Content (the subject's contribution) and Craft (the photographer's contribution).

The context, even just being in a gallery, can affect how we try to interpret and understand a picture.
 
Sometimes though just the content is enough in subjects that have a strong following. One of my most viewed photographs is a simple mono image of a steam engine approaching a station. Just the element of a steam train is enough to generate interest from railway enthusiasts. It doesn't really need words as the locomotive is obviously approaching a station where the name is evident.
 
One of the things often missing when photos are presented for critique here is a few words of explanation about what the photographer felt when they created the picture, or about what they were trying to say with the image. It's normal to at least title works in an art gallery, and a title that holds an indication of the intention may be all many need to grasp the image concept. I'd suggest this thread also demonstrates how useful it can be to 'have a way in' to understand intent. @Barney - that's not taking a pop at you or your picture.
Hi Toni,

I know that, your intention is clear. my original post was perhaps poorly phrased, that was why I attempted to clarify in post 6.

Despite my original blooper it has been a valuable lesson, I can now appreciate that the three other dogs I deliberately left out to increase the sense of isolation would as Graham suggested filled in a few of the gaps!
Thank you ALL for your contribution, It has been enlightening for me, which was my selfish intention from the outset.
 
Sometimes though just the content is enough in subjects that have a strong following. One of my most viewed photographs is a simple mono image of a steam engine approaching a station. Just the element of a steam train is enough to generate interest from railway enthusiasts. It doesn't really need words as the locomotive is obviously approaching a station where the name is evident.
Some photographs are virtually all content and need little interpretation or understanding to "know" what they are about.

As I've already mentioned Context, Content and Craft, I might as well mention the other categories I use when thinking about photographs: Descriptive photography (showing what the subject looks like), Documentary photography (showing the subject's story), and Expressive photography (showing the photographer's story).

All photographs, I think, combine all three categories, but usually, one category will dominate the other two, and deciding which it is can help understand the photograph.
 
Thank you ALL for your contribution, It has been enlightening for me, which was my selfish intention from the outset.

One of the purposes of this forum is discussion about photography, and you have provoked much useful discourse so far.
 
One of the purposes of this forum is discussion about photography, and you have provoked much useful discourse so far.
Thank you for your kind words, Toni.

Much appreciated (y)
 
I tend to take images that catch my eye for one reason or another. Then during PP I ask myself why I took it and can it be improved, I try not to be too analytical though as I think that can stifle creativity. Each to their own though if that helps your enjoyment of photography.
 
I tend to take images that catch my eye for one reason or another. Then during PP I ask myself why I took it and can it be improved, I try not to be too analytical though as I think that can stifle creativity. Each to their own though if that helps your enjoyment of photography.
I suspect most of us just respond to things that catch the eye. And like you, I think it's the processing that gives you the tools to turn it into something that matches what you saw and felt when pressing the shutter. I certainly try to visualise the print when deciding on a final composition,or when to press the shutter.

However, I'm intrigued as to what you mean by being too analytical.

What is that people do to stifle their creativity? Do you mean (given this is the film and conventional forum) things like using the Zone system to predict tonal relationships within the final print? Or rigidly applying composition guidance.
 
I suspect most of us just respond to things that catch the eye. And like you, I think it's the processing that gives you the tools to turn it into something that matches what you saw and felt when pressing the shutter. I certainly try to visualise the print when deciding on a final composition,or when to press the shutter.

However, I'm intrigued as to what you mean by being too analytical.

What is that people do to stifle their creativity? Do you mean (given this is the film and conventional forum) things like using the Zone system to predict tonal relationships within the final print? Or rigidly applying composition guidance.
Well it was a little ambiguous really as I was mainly directing the comment towards myself, for instance I used to keep RAW files of my images but was constantly re-visiting them to change this or that with rarely any improvement, till one day I decided to process the images how I felt at that time and delete the RAW file. Mistake? maybe but I feel happier for it.
Take your point about this being a F&C forum and as I haven't shot film for about 15 years I'll bow out now.
 
I wonder if this discussion might not be best continued in 'Talk Photography'?

How would participants feel about it being relocated?
 
Well it was a little ambiguous really as I was mainly directing the comment towards myself, for instance I used to keep RAW files of my images but was constantly re-visiting them to change this or that with rarely any improvement, till one day I decided to process the images how I felt at that time and delete the RAW file. Mistake? maybe but I feel happier for it.
Ah, so you were meaning over analysing at the processing stage. I think that makes sense even if I wouldn't have used the word analyse. Digital allows an aspiration for perfection that was never present when making silver prints, and I am all too familiar with the problem of constantly revisiting images.

However, my problems are two fold. I just enjoy revisiting the memories of when I took the photograph, and I go through my catalogue of photographs the way someone else might read through their diary. And this creates the need to tweak the existing rendering because my memories of what triggered me to take it may have changed over time., or my mood of the day is affecting how I see the picture.

Mind you, I did the same thing with silver prints, where an existing print would start to annoy me, because it no longer seemed "right", and I would reprint it in a totally different way.

Secondly I have some technical hang ups that give me issues. One of my frustrating technical stumbling blocks is denoising as I can easily go down a rabbit hole of creating multiple options with different settings. Each of them so similar, it wouldn't matter which I used, but the differences, albeit subtle, still prevent me from making a choice.
Take your point about this being a F&C forum and as I haven't shot film for about 15 years I'll bow out now.
I think that the content of this thread applies equally to digital or film, and I haven't shot film for a lot more than 15 years :-(

I was just giving some examples specific to film.
 
I wonder if this discussion might not be best continued in 'Talk Photography'?

How would participants feel about it being relocated?
I'm happy enough for it to move or stay. Being in the film forum may give it a slightly different underlying feel, but a lot of what is being discussed applies to picture making in general.
 
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