No photographs!!!

i've had similar situations, and if you reply politely they dont expect it (at least not in London) and then they get all embarrassed for being rude in the first place.. win win situation :)
 
is lucan dead?
 
Think I would of taken the photo and sent it to local newspaper saying how they had verbally abused you for taking a simple photograph.

Or just sent a copy to every local school/club to shame him :D

Although I agree with Gary, if the guy had politely asked me not to take the shot because of the learner I would of told them that it wasn't a problem and walked on. Although I don't take kindly to being shouted at. :)
 
I was doing photographs of parking problems at an oil exhibition for a news website when an over zealous parking warden attempted to make me delete the images then show him the camera as proof. I told him that I could only delete the pictures if he allowed me to take some more from behind him, and he agreed.

However, I got a phone call from a council PR rep about 30 mins later, complaining that mainstream media wouldn't take a picture of a traffic warden.

Sigh.
 
Quite a few people here sum up the annoying side of photographers. I was in work, and we had a photography course. I was on recpetion desk, so she goes can you pose like this please, and I said no as I don't like having my photo taken, so what does she do. She decides to take it anyway. ****ed me off, and if I wasn't new then I would of gone and told her to delete it as she went away pretty sharpish.

(And this is in my place of work, a private place, if anybody comes in here and says its within her rights, when it wasn't).
 
Triggaaar said:
It is irritating that some members of the public start spouting made up laws at you
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I am not wanting to turn this thread to the same as yesterdays, but the police do the same thing time and time again, and many of you here bow down and defend them.

Where the other canoeists children?

Have you also ever thought that someone may not want there pic taking due to them being in a delicate situation. Kids moved due to Dad or Mum being abusive and need to protect where they are? Wives being moved due to abusive husbands?

Ah well, you showed them, you took their photo and the **** out of them.

It shocks me the people in here going on about they had no right are the same who said the police have every one they choose to make up.
 
ding76uk said:
I am not wanting to turn this thread to the same as yesterdays, but the police do the same thing time and time again, and many of you here bow down and defend them.

Where the other canoeists children?

Have you also ever thought that someone may not want there pic taking due to them being in a delicate situation. Kids moved due to Dad or Mum being abusive and need to protect where they are? Wives being moved due to abusive husbands?

Ah well, you showed them, you took their photo and the **** out of them.

It shocks me the people in here going on about they had no right are the same who said the police have every one they choose to make up.
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fair comment to a point ..... he DIDN'T take the Photograph
 
ding76uk said:
I am not wanting to turn this thread to the same as yesterdays, but the police do the same thing time and time again, and many of you here bow down and defend them.

Where the other canoeists children?

Have you also ever thought that someone may not want there pic taking due to them being in a delicate situation. Kids moved due to Dad or Mum being abusive and need to protect where they are? Wives being moved due to abusive husbands?

Ah well, you showed them, you took their photo and the **** out of them.

It shocks me the people in here going on about they had no right are the same who said the police have every one they choose to make up.
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I'm afraid I don't argree, if we thought like that we would never take any photos in public places. I wasn't as if the OP was stalking these people, he/she was out taking photos of a quiet area, these people were pursuing their hobby by paddling up the canal, just as the OP was enjoying taking photos. I wonder how they would have reacted if told to stop paddling up the canal?
Wayne
 
swanseamale47 said:
I'm afraid I don't argree, if we thought like that we would never take any photos in public places. I wasn't as if the OP was stalking these people, he/she was out taking photos of a quiet area, these people were pursuing their hobby by paddling up the canal, just as the OP was enjoying taking photos. I wonder how they would have reacted if told to stop paddling up the canal?
Wayne
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But do you not see Wayne that the Police are doing this kind of thing all the time, asking photographers why they are pursuing their hobby, and forcing you to give details for a non legal reason, yet people seem to accept it. My main point in my original post was to highlight the non existent laws being spouted by the public are the same ones the police are using.

The thing is, the person in question here is being mocked by several people, yet all he wanted was not to have his photo taken, the photographer did the right thing and waited, but the responses are what upsets me. The whole "No photos" thing. Well he was paddling a canoe, and taking part in a sport, whilst travelling past the tog. I think his comment was fair, and was not meant how people are taking it, when paddling I don't think a full explanation of why they should wait until the canoeist had gone past is not needed and indeed not practical.

If you want to do this whole baiting members of the public, do it shooting fisheye, then we will see how brave you all are:nuts:
 
ding76uk said:
I am not wanting to turn this thread to the same as yesterdays, but the police do the same thing time and time again, and many of you here bow down and defend them.

Where the other canoeists children?

Have you also ever thought that someone may not want there pic taking due to them being in a delicate situation. Kids moved due to Dad or Mum being abusive and need to protect where they are? Wives being moved due to abusive husbands?

Ah well, you showed them, you took their photo and the **** out of them.

It shocks me the people in here going on about they had no right are the same who said the police have every one they choose to make up.
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100% agree. I would also like to add a bit more ...

If I was out in public and someone pointed a camera at me, I would most likely react the same way (if not worse) than the canoeist. This is because it would trip my panic switch and it's something I can't control at the moment, though I am working on it. I suffer with agoraphobia and anxiety problems. A situation like that could quite possibly trigger a panic attack followed by weeks, and sometimes months of house confinement.

To be the better person, accepting what the canoist said to you, in what ever manner and respecting it enough to be clear you are not taking his photo (so continuing to point the camera, if even in a slightly different direction, would be the opposite) is more ideal. If someone reacts in an aggressive way to your actions, sometimes there is a very good reason for it.

:)
 
it's about the way it's requested, politely then fair enough, given orders then not fair enough

i'd not change the way i take photos for the minority, anxiety, child protection or whatever, if it's explained then that's fair enough if it isn't then it's not imho.

a bit of treat others how you'd like to be treated i suppose :)
 
Lmao, what an idiot, I would of used flash aswell xD! But I would of followed him to another point of the canal and took a few more xD!

nicely played though mate :)
 
Woah, this baby had a little sprint this morning. To all those getting a bit serious, I think the dude lost any respect I may have had to his privacy when he firstly spoke to me in a rude manner. But for some reason I still allowed him the privilage.

I have 1 final point to make, so heed it well.




PAAAAAAAAAAAARP.

Yes. There shall be no more serious replies here on from me in this thread. Now where's the fart or mooning smily...
 
alexkidd said:
it's about the way it's requested, politely then fair enough, given orders then not fair enough

i'd not change the way i take photos for the minority, anxiety, child protection or whatever, if it's explained then that's fair enough if it isn't then it's not imho.

a bit of treat others how you'd like to be treated i suppose :)
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Why should we have to explain?

Are you saying that you should just keep snapping without knowing any reasons? Even though you might be making someone quite ill, or putting a child's life in danger (those on a child protection order). Or are you saying your photo opportunity is more important than potentially humiliating (If I had to explain to someone in a public place why, it would definately be humiliating for me) someone by demanding you know the reasons why they have acted in that way, after your actions? It's not like you're going to make any profit from the pictures, so greed doesn't come into it. The only thing that can possibly come out of it for you is the satisfaction that you got one up on someone who asked you to stop, in an aggressive way or not it doesn't matter. Fear can make people justifiably aggressive, IMO.

If someone asked me to stop, no matter what their attitude I would. I would also apologise and tell them I will delete any shots I have taken, and let them see me do this should they request it.
 
Shall I get the whiskey out yet? I'm beginning to feel like I need a LARGE dram of it meself.
 
i think you did the right thing :thumbs: just because he,s rude dos,nt mean you have to be too :clap:
 
Jo said:
Why should we have to explain?

Are you saying that you should just keep snapping without knowing any reasons? Well yeah, i don't stop photographing just incase anything i take photographs of affects anything else i'm not that scared of the butterfly effect Even though you might be making someone quite ill, or putting a child's life in danger (those on a child protection order). Or are you saying your photo opportunity is more important than potentially humiliating (If I had to explain to someone in a public place why No this would be me stopping taking the photographs if you asked me politely and not if you shouted commands at me, it would definately be humiliating for me) someone by demanding you know the reasons why they have acted in that way, after your actions? It's not like you're going to make any profit from the pictures, so greed doesn't come into it.Not even sure where this element has come from i'm not going to turn bright lime green either The only thing that can possibly come out of it for you is the satisfaction that you got one up on someone who asked you to stop that's weird i thought perhaps i'd be taking a photo....that i thought might be good but sure if you think i point my camera at people to bait them because that's the only bonus in taking a photo then go with that..., in an aggressive way or not it doesn't matter. Fear can make people justifiably aggressive, IMO.You're entitled to react how you wish to aggression, i however don't give in to it, aggression can be understandable yes but acceptable i'd say rarely

If someone asked me to stop, no matter what their attitude I would. I would also apologise and tell them I will delete any shots I have taken, and let them see me do this should they request it.good, you're going about things the way you see fit
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comments in bold :)
 
Jo said:
...Or are you saying your photo opportunity is more important .....
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Yes...absolutely...

It's irrelevant that it may have no intrinsic artistic or commercial value...

I may not have the time or inclination to explain my motives to an individual or group for taking a photo - sometimes I see something I like and instinct takes over - it's a visceral thing that often I cannot explain...

And sometimes I just can't be bothered to talk to stupid people...
 
Arkady said:
Yes...absolutely...

It's irrelevant that it may have no intrinsic artistic or commercial value...

I may not have the time or inclination to explain my motives to an individual or group for taking a photo - sometimes I see something I like and instinct takes over - it's a visceral thing that often I cannot explain...

And sometimes I just can't be bothered to talk to stupid people...
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I don't even know why I am replying, I told myself after reading Alexxkid's post I would step back.

I guess I just wanted you to know that I have read both your replies, and it's good to know your opinions. Even for what they are.

Oh, and Rob I would like to believe you weren't implying I'm stupid, but in case you were ... I can tell you I am far from stupid. If I were stupid I would be oblivious to how cruel people can be.
 
Jo said:
I don't even know why I am replying, I told myself after reading Alexxkid's post I would step back.

I guess I just wanted you to know that I have read both your replies, and it's good to know your opinions. Even for what they are.

Oh, and Rob I would like to believe you weren't implying I'm stupid, but in case you were ... I can tell you I am far from stupid. If I were stupid I would be oblivious to how cruel people can be.
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Jo - why would I? I was referring to people in canoes...:D

No...I think as a photographer, you take the photo then argue the point later if you feel the need to do so - but get the picture!!!
 
I don't get why the OP has posted this. The person didn't want a photo taken, so don't take his photo and don't complain about it. You say you respected him by not taking his photo so why are you complaining about it?
 
joescrivens said:
I don't get why the OP has posted this. The person didn't want a photo taken, so don't take his photo and don't complain about it. You say you respected him by not taking his photo so why are you complaining about it?
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That reply is far too serious for my thread. I think you need to go drink a half a bottle of whiskey, watch 14 episodes of Father Ted, put on a Batman outfit, then come back.

me -> :nuts:
 
karmagarda said:
That reply is far too serious for my thread. I think you need to go drink a half a bottle of whiskey, watch 14 episodes of Father Ted, put on a Batman outfit, then come back.

me -> :nuts:
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Ok I got the batman hat on, I watched Only fools and horses instead of father ted and drank canadian club instead.

now then back to my comment:

I don't get why the OP has posted this. The person didn't want a photo taken, so don't take his photo and don't complain about it. You say you respected him by not taking his photo so why are you complaining about it?
 
joescrivens said:
Ok I got the batman hat on, I watched Only fools and horses instead of father ted and drank canadian club instead.

now then back to my comment:

I don't get why the OP has posted this. The person didn't want a photo taken, so don't take his photo and don't complain about it. You say you respected him by not taking his photo so why are you complaining about it?
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Ok, so you want a serious reply :lol:. Firstly, let's skip the OP formalities, you can call me Conor.

Now, the post. I felt like sharing, and isn't that what forums are all about. Maybe someone shared a similar experience and we can have a conversation/discussion about it. I wasn't necessarily expecting people to devle into the nitty gritty of why I felt the need to post this. I didn't really feel the need. I just felt like posting it.

What was I trying to achieve? Spark a bit of banter about how people deal with someone being rude about being photographed. I felt it was a different angle than your usual "section 44" or "paedophile" style accusations. It was just a straight up demand to stop photographing.

If you think I shouldn't have started the thread, I won't argue. Would I have still started the thread knowing this in hindsight? Yes. Do I think it will change the world? I have an incling that it won't even come close :lol:

And for gawd sake take off the batman suit, you look rediculous :nuts:
 
If someone says "Please don't take my photo" then of course I would respect their wishes. If they hurl abuse at me and maybe quote some made up law, then I'd be all the more determined to take their photo. Respect wsorks both ways.
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yup thats the way i see it,politness cost nothing,
 
So here's the burning question though, do you think the guy was right to not want his photo taken? Sounds like you do since you are saying you respect his right

Seems strange to post something you agree with if you agree with it. Example, if I was in the cinema and was talking loudly and someone told me to shut up. I would think, yeah he's right I should shut up, this is a cinema.

If I then posted a thread about how some guy told me to shut up, that would be a little strange don't you think?

Now perhaps the angle of the thread was about HOW he told you, like instead of saying, no photo's please he shouted at you, and this you thought was a bit of. Therefore the direction of the thread perhaps should be going down the line of "How should people react when they don't want a photo" instead of where it is going which is "Was he right to refuse a photo"

It's just the hat I have on and ironically I was wearing it before you asked me, just didn't want to say
 
joescrivens said:
So here's the burning question though, do you think the guy was right to not want his photo taken? Sounds like you do since you are saying you respect his right

Seems strange to post something you agree with if you agree with it. Example, if I was in the cinema and was talking loudly and someone told me to shut up. I would think, yeah he's right I should shut up, this is a cinema.

If I then posted a thread about how some guy told me to shut up, that would be a little strange don't you think?

Now perhaps the angle of the thread was about HOW he told you, like instead of saying, no photo's please he shouted at you, and this you thought was a bit of. Therefore the direction of the thread perhaps should be going down the line of "How should people react when they don't want a photo" instead of where it is going which is "Was he right to refuse a photo"

It's just the hat I have on and ironically I was wearing it before you asked me, just didn't want to say
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Actually, if you read the whole thread you will see that I am actually coming at this from a "How he replied" angle:


karmagarda said:
Yeah, I agree and in another way I'm not sure I suppose. I agree that you know what, I was courteous enough to not photograph them! But was he really shouting at me because he didn't like his photo taken? Or was he just being an little "over" alpha male about it and just trying to stamp down his authority? To be honest, he didn't come across as someone who was camera shy. He just came across as rude, and a little bit crass.
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karmagarda said:
I agree. I think it was the way he said it that kind of made me chuckle and slightly annoy me at the same time. It wasn't so much a "I don't like my photo taken", but more of a "I just want to tell you not to take my photograph because I'm a person of authority" i.e. a bit rude. I didn't let it bother me though! As I said to the girlfriend afterwards: 'can't wait to tell this on TP, I finally have my "you no take photo" story!' :lol:
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well thats good, but your initial post doesn't indicate that and thats what people initially reply to. Hence why a lot of the replies are directed at whether he should be allowed to have his photo taken or not
 
joescrivens said:
well thats good, but your initial post doesn't indicate that and thats what people initially reply to. Hence why a lot of the replies are directed at whether he should be allowed to have his photo taken or not
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What can I say. Fair point I suppose :lol:
 
joescrivens said:
So here's the burning question though, do you think the guy was right to not want his photo taken? Sounds like you do since you are saying you respect his right

Seems strange to post something you agree with if you agree with it. Example, if I was in the cinema and was talking loudly and someone told me to shut up. I would think, yeah he's right I should shut up, this is a cinema.

If I then posted a thread about how some guy told me to shut up, that would be a little strange don't you think?
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That analogy doesn't really work. If you were talking loudly in the cinema, you would already be well aware that you were annoying everyone in the auditorium, without the need for one of them to tell you to shut up.

It's like saying; "I was continually punching someone in the face, and then they asked me to stop, so I respected their right".

I doubt karma really expected that taking photos in public would warrant this sort of reaction from anyone in a canoe, or indeed not in a canoe. I guess that's the point of the thread.
 
My Dad took me to the cinema one when I was a kid and was attempting to explain the plot of (I think it was something like 2001 - A Space Odyssey) the movie to his 8-year old son, when someone behind us loudly exclaimed "Do you mind, we're trying to Listen!!!"
To which my Dad replied: "I'm so sorry, if I'd known I'd have spoken up!"

Well, I laughed when I was old enough to appreciate it...
 
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