No jail for nonces

That'd because he wasn't famous or been on radio 1.
 
Yes the courts in this country only jail ex djs for sex offences and nobody else.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
I think you'll find that the ones that get jailed weren't just looking at pictures.
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Personally I'd view a prison sentence for looking at child porn as preventative action.
 
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chadders said:
Personally I'd view a prison sentence for looking at child porn as preventative action.
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Which would achieve nothing.

The amount he has already lost is a pretty good preventative action.
 
RichardtheSane said:
Which would achieve nothing.

The amount he has already lost is a pretty good preventative action.
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I really hope you are right. In someways jail is a death sentence, given the crime and working for the court, and he never harmed a child, just viewed. I still think a mental health type place. It's revolting, I cannot get my head around that.
 
RichardtheSane said:
Which would achieve nothing.

The amount he has already lost is a pretty good preventative action.
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At the risk of going off on a tangent... what is a good punishment? For me, getting caught would be the big punishment, not prison. Instantly I would lose friends, relationship, job which in turn leads to losing house. But then you have someone at rock bottom... will they get a job, where will they live, would they have something to live for? Could that not then run the risk of them committing more serious crimes. Or, you could lock them up and throw away the key - thats them out the way job done...

We talk about prison being about rehabilitation and the like but in reality we make it even harder for offenders with CRB checks galore for all sorts of jobs.
 
RichardtheSane said:
Which would achieve nothing.

The amount he has already lost is a pretty good preventative action.
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Nonsense. The fear of being exposed didn't deter or prevent him viewing/collecting child porn, what on earth makes you think he wouldn't go further.

cambsno said:
At the risk of going off on a tangent... what is a good punishment? For me, getting caught would be the big punishment, not prison. Instantly I would lose friends, relationship, job which in turn leads to losing house. But then you have someone at rock bottom... will they get a job, where will they live, would they have something to live for? Could that not then run the risk of them committing more serious crimes. Or, you could lock them up and throw away the key - thats them out the way job done...

We talk about prison being about rehabilitation and the like but in reality we make it even harder for offenders with CRB checks galore for all sorts of jobs.
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Prison is not always about punishment and rehabilitation. In certain cases (and child abuse is one) it's about getting them off the streets where they can't do any (further) harm. What "treatment and rehabilitation" they get inside is another matter.
 
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What have I missed? I miss all the fun :(
 
cambsno said:
We talk about prison being about rehabilitation and the like but in reality we make it even harder for offenders with CRB checks galore for all sorts of jobs.
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The basic principles behind custodial sentencing are deterrence, retribution, rehabilitation and prevention (you're no threat to the public, for a while anyway). Rehabilitation is only one part of this, and there's a fair amount of cynicism about the whole theory of punishment once you get beyond retribution.
 
MartynK said:
The basic principles behind custodial sentencing are deterrence, retribution, rehabilitation and prevention (you're no threat to the public, for a while anyway). Rehabilitation is only one part of this, and there's a fair amount of cynicism about the whole theory of punishment once you get beyond retribution.
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The deterrence is missing from this sentence, all IMHO. It sets a low moral standard.
 
ST4 said:
The deterrence is missing from this sentence, all IMHO. It sets a low moral standard.
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Maybe. I think the threat of fines and imprisonment probably does act as a deterrent, to keep basically law abiding people on the straight and narrow, but I'm not convinced that it has any real impact on career criminals, thugs, people who are driven by their own perverse urges and others who fully expect to get away with their crimes.

I'd just settle for punishment and prevention, anything else is a bonus.
 
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cambsno said:
At the risk of going off on a tangent... what is a good punishment? For me, getting caught would be the big punishment, not prison. Instantly I would lose friends, relationship, job which in turn leads to losing house. But then you have someone at rock bottom... will they get a job, where will they live, would they have something to live for? Could that not then run the risk of them committing more serious crimes. Or, you could lock them up and throw away the key - thats them out the way job done...
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You actually think along the same lines as me. I did consider in this case what is next for him - and that is really up to him now. Yes, that could run the risk of more crimes but at the same time it might not - and convicting someone based on what they might do is a dangerous precedent to set.

We talk about prison being about rehabilitation and the like but in reality we make it even harder for offenders with CRB checks galore for all sorts of jobs.
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Plenty of jobs you don't need one for though.
 
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ST4 said:
Do you think someone that downloads material like that could become a threat to children, a sentence behind bars may minimise that threat whilst help is given to deal with such a mental issue.
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A sentence behind bars is not the place to get help with a mental issue. Sometimes a judgement must be made that will allow and encourage rehabilitation where it is believed to be possible. I expect that is what has happened here.
 
a bullet in the brain would ensure they didnt reoffend
 
RichardtheSane said:
You actually think along the same lines as me. I did consider in this case what is next for him - and that is really up to him now. Yes, that could run the risk of more crimes but at the same time it might not - and convicting someone based on what they might do is a dangerous precedent to set.
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Bruton was convicted based on what he had done, not what he might do.
 
so you think they'd come back as a ghost to fiddle with kids ?
 
RichardtheSane said:
A sentence behind bars is not the place to get help with a mental issue. Sometimes a judgement must be made that will allow and encourage rehabilitation where it is believed to be possible. I expect that is what has happened here.
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With the current system, if you go to prison, you don't get the help. It's an either or. Soin the long run, what would be better, a couple of months inside or proffesional help to ensure it doesn't happen again?
 
trouble is with paedophiles rehab isnt possible - its a sexual or power related drive. Could you or I stop being attracted to women with some rehab ? - the best case is that it may teach them to control their urges (in the same way 'normal' folk don't go round raping everyone they are attacted too) , but all to often it just teaches them to mouth plattitudes to convince social workers that they are 'cured' - only for them to reoffend when released
 
bass_junkie83 said:
With the current system, if you go to prison, you don't get the help. It's an either or. Soin the long run, what would be better, a couple of months inside or proffesional help to ensure it doesn't happen again?
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This is a gross over-simplification. I doubt if any professional would be prepared to offer an assurance that he/she could ensure that it doesn't happen again.

I'm inclined to suggest that a suspended prison sentence - with a stipulation that he seek professional help - would be more appropriate. This would give him the opportunity to deal with his problem, knowing that any further offences would lead to the activation of the original sentence in addition to the penalties that could be imposed if he is convicted on new charges.
 
MartynK said:
Bruton was convicted based on what he had done, not what he might do.
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Maybe I should have been clearer in what I typed - I was not indicating any belief he had been convicted based on what he might do.
 
bass_junkie83 said:
With the current system, if you go to prison, you don't get the help. It's an either or. Soin the long run, what would be better, a couple of months inside or proffesional help to ensure it doesn't happen again?
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Exactly my point.
 
MartynK said:
. I doubt if any professional would be prepared to offer an assurance that he/she could ensure that it doesn't happen again.
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I could definitely gurantee they won't reoffend - one 9mm bullet administered behind the ear, guaranteed to 'cure' paedophillia
 
ST4 said:
Can I ask you what sort of deterrent not jailing someone for looking at child porn is?
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but you don't know what kind of image it was. it said indecent - now a picture of a 17 year old pulling her pants up to make a camel toe would be considered an indecent image of a minor. do you really think Jail is appropriate for that considering you could have sex with them? you don't know what the picture(s) are that are involved in that case so you can't make a judgement on wither the sentence is lenient or not.
 
POAH said:
but you don't know what kind of image it was. it said indecent - now a picture of a 17 year old pulling her pants up to make a camel toe would be considered an indecent image of a minor. do you really think Jail is appropriate for that considering you could have sex with them? you don't know what the picture(s) are that are involved in that case so you can't make a judgement on wither the sentence is lenient or not.
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but equally neither do you , so it could equally have been of three grown men raping a four year old - though i'd still say jail isnt appropriate for encoraging that kind of thing... but i'm not thinking of letting them wander about inthe community as an alternative
 
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