Nikon mirrorless definitely on the way

Looking at the mockups the most interesting lens to me by far is the 14-30mm F/4, to have that range in a package that size AND without a bulbed front element is pretty impressive, perhaps a sign of the advantage of the larger mount with UWAs?

indeed that's probably the most tempting thing so far for me about the Z-system for me, just about a perfect range and easy use with filters.
 
snerkler said:
It does on that review yeah. I'd be REALLY surprised if it's that bad though, Nikon surely can't release something that bad???? My guess is it's setting, fault, or pre-production crap ;)
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The dpr hands on was similar, hopefully it is just fw related but why would they give everyone (all the popular reviewers) a camera like that? Settings nope, those guys have been using Nikon to long and you can see from the locks it was in afc trying to keep up.
 
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The dpr hands on was similar, hopefully it is just fw related but why would they give everyone (all the popular reviewers) a camera like that? Settings nope, those guys have been using Nikon to long and you can see from the locks it was in afc trying to keep up.
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I'm trying to be positive here ;) :p
 
f/2.8 said:
The average enthusiast uses their gear a lot more than professionals

Are you serious :D No offence but that’s complete nonsense.

While there are many different types of professional photographers just using wedding photographers as an example at times during a wedding they will be shooting natural light portraits, macro for jewellery and details (well I do anyway), sports (well almost, lots of fast paced action going on), studio lighting portraits (sometimes, late in the evening). I would say that’s a pretty wide range of different types of photography all in the one day. I know others who shoot Astro portraits and some of the portraits we would shoot are just landscapes with a couple plonked in their somewhere.

Last year we took around half a million frames would be surprised if there many enthusiasts shooting that amount of frames in a year.

We also shoot some commercial mostly for local businesses for their websites and marketing materials which can involve all sorts of different photography genres.

Away from paid work as photographers we are always looking at trying new things, the majority of the wedding photographers local to me are the same. Everyone is trying to get better and learn new techniques and the commercial photographers I know are just the same.

Yeah there are a few around who only use a camera when they are working and stay true to a strict way of working, same as they have always done but that’s the exception rather than the norm. There are plenty of “enthusiasts” that live for photography then after a couple of years tuck there gear in a cupboard never to be seen again when they move on to other hobbies.
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Have to agree - the shutter count on Pro used cameras is extremely high so I think they use their equipment in far more scenarios than us amateurs.
 
f/2.8 said:
Cheers Tony, but I probably need to play with one for a couple of weeks to see if its the right way for me to go or not. I guess at the end of the day could always buy and sell on again if its not a good fit for me. The A9 is probably the one I want, the guy in Calumet would have lent me one but they have no stock, he is going to find out of the Sony rep can do anything for me. I think I might just buy an A7III for now and maybe see if I can beg borrow or steal an A9 worst case scenario could probably rent one for a week and see what hits the button. If they suit will probably switch to 2 x A9's for me and 2 X A7III's for the missus ditch our D750's and just keep our D850's.



Yeah but they ain't much good at f/1.4 :D sorry couldn't resist. I am not really concerned about corner sharpness tbh. I have the Siggy Art 20, 35 & 50 and for me they have a look I just like.
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Yeah lad. The A9 is a belter though I prefer the mech shutter capabilities of the A7III. Both unreal cameras tbh
 
Phil V said:
Your posting history tellsits own story ;)



As hasalready been posted above, some pros are shooting half a million frames in a year, and despite your blinkers, it’s not of the same stuff either.

I’ll generalise, the vast majority of camera owners don’t even take their cameras out once a month. There’s a smaller number of ‘enthusiasts’ who might use a camera most days, but the ‘average’ amateur is a million miles away from the ‘average pro’ when it comes to actual use of the gear.

Sorry for the delay responding, but as I’m not an actual pro my alert light doesn’t always work ;)
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I think you'd find it doesn't, I get attacked a lot on here and have to defend myself because someone gets all upset over something I said [and no, it doesn't bother me much but it happens], usually, no make that mostly, nothing to do with them directly. Maybe it's just that more pros on here do this? making it seem I dislike them. Who knows ... History is just that, I don't live in the past, always willing to change my views either way

Nothing blinkered about it, half a million shots of what? mostly the same kind of scenario, I don't see how that insults anybody. Also I didn't call you but you must have seen the red alert as here you are :D thought you were a wedding pro btw?. Some of you are only reading what you want, I also said I am making assumptions here, look back to my response to redhead. I didn't realise I should be posting gospel segments.
 
Fraser Euan White said:
It's a two button press on My D4 and the wifi transmission using the WT adaptor is OK TBH - perfect for me anyway
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Interesting, teaches me to make assumptions ;) I'll grill you some more on this after the footy as it could be useful if I can do similar with my EM1 (I hate the fact it's only got one slot :eek:)
 
Fraser Euan White said:
Have to agree - the shutter count on Pro used cameras is extremely high so I think they use their equipment in far more scenarios than us amateurs.
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Shooting more frames does not equal "far more scenarios". Sports photographers rip off more shots than most I imagine, but mostly of the same subject or 'scenario'. What I'm actually saying, is that the enthusiast will shoot more varied in general, because they're not being paid to stick to any rules, they do it for pleasure.

Why does it always have to be us and them anyway? Why do pros on here get all wound up with the very mention of the word? It's like we shouldn't even go there because we're lesser mortals or something
 
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It's a two button press on My D4 and the wifi transmission using the WT adaptor is OK TBH - perfect for me anyway
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It will work :)

From the My Passport instructions (would be as cheap as two XQD cards for loads more storage!)

Using a Compatible Wireless Camera File Transfer Protocol (FTP) enables the transfer of content to and from your drive’s Public folder through FTP. The drive supports default Anonymous login and takes advantage of Wi-Fi security for protection. The My Passport Wireless Pro/My Passport Wireless SSD drive is compatible with wireless cameras that support FTP, such as Nikon WT-2 and Canon WFT. See Knowledge Base Answer IDs 20556 and 11737 for information on compatible cameras. FTP is disabled by default.
 
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Cagey75 said:
Shooting more frames does not equal "far more scenarios". Sports photographers rip off more shots than most I imagine, but mostly of the same subject or 'scenario'. What I'm actually saying, is that the enthusiast will shoot more varied in general, because they're not being paid to stick to any rules, they do it for pleasure.

Why does it always have to be us and them anyway? Why do pros on here get all wound up with the very mention of the word? It's like we shouldn't even go there because we're lesser mortals or something
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Still even enthusiasts will likely specialize in a few types of subjects or.at least have one or two they do most if not exclusively.
 
Fraser Euan White said:
It will work :)

From the My Passport instructions (would be as cheap as two XQD cards for loads more storage!)

Using a Compatible Wireless Camera File Transfer Protocol (FTP) enables the transfer of content to and from your drive’s Public folder through FTP. The drive supports default Anonymous login and takes advantage of Wi-Fi security for protection. The My Passport Wireless Pro/My Passport Wireless SSD drive is compatible with wireless cameras that support FTP, such as Nikon WT-2 and Canon WFT. See Knowledge Base Answer IDs 20556 and 11737 for information on compatible cameras. FTP is disabled by default.
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I like this idea so much I'm buying one!

I get sick of taking cards out of my camera or plugging my camera into the computer. This way I can have an external drive connected by WiFi to my computer, when I go out taking pics I just put the drive in my camera bag then connect the camera to it via WiFi, when I get home the drive will re-connect to my home WiFi and I just import the pics - voilla :)

Will feed my 'gadget' desires as well - happy days!

(It is also a far better 'redundancy' system than a dual card camera - if you loose/drop it in water/get your camera stolen both cards are in the same place with a dual slot where as this separates them; surprised @Raymond Lin hadn't thought of this solution)
 
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Still even enthusiasts will likely specialize in a few types of subjects or.at least have one or two they do most if not exclusively.
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True I guess. I know some who only ever do macro or general wildlife.
 
Cagey75 said:
I think you'd find it doesn't, I get attacked a lot on here and have to defend myself because someone gets all upset over something I said...
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You weren’t attacked, someone questioned you saying daft stuff like this...
Cagey75 said:
The average enthusiast probably uses their gear a lot more than professionals
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You weren’t ‘defending yourself’, you opened that debate all by yourself :thinking:
Then you deny saying it, or pretend you meant something else*...

It’s called a persecution complex...:rolleyes:

or a f*****g great chip on your shoulder if you come from Yorkshire ;) :wave:

* and even if you did mean something else (that enthusiasts have a more diverse usage pattern), the fact is it was pure speculation, you have no data to support it and no matter how certain you are, you don’t know it’s a fact, do you?

You have a habit of proclaiming something off the cuff that I’m not even sure you believe, and then defending it no matter how ridiculous it begins to sound to everyone else. No one started this by ‘attacking you’ you just said something daft and people told you it was daft.
 
Fraser Euan White said:
It will work :)

From the My Passport instructions (would be as cheap as two XQD cards for loads more storage!)

Using a Compatible Wireless Camera File Transfer Protocol (FTP) enables the transfer of content to and from your drive’s Public folder through FTP. The drive supports default Anonymous login and takes advantage of Wi-Fi security for protection. The My Passport Wireless Pro/My Passport Wireless SSD drive is compatible with wireless cameras that support FTP, such as Nikon WT-2 and Canon WFT. See Knowledge Base Answer IDs 20556 and 11737 for information on compatible cameras. FTP is disabled by default.
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Thanks for this, I’ll definitely look into it. I have the verbatim Mediashare and whilst it works well for what it is, it is pretty slow and clunky.
 
Phil V said:
You weren’t attacked, someone questioned you saying daft stuff like this...

You weren’t ‘defending yourself’, you opened that debate all by yourself :thinking:
Then you deny saying it, or pretend you meant something else*...

It’s called a persecution complex...:rolleyes:

or a f*****g great chip on your shoulder if you come from Yorkshire ;) :wave:

* and even if you did mean something else (that enthusiasts have a more diverse usage pattern), the fact is it was pure speculation, you have no data to support it and no matter how certain you are, you don’t know it’s a fact, do you?

You have a habit of proclaiming something off the cuff that I’m not even sure you believe, and then defending it no matter how ridiculous it begins to sound to everyone else. No one started this by ‘attacking you’ you just said something daft and people told you it was daft.
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YOU mentioned my post history, are you half asleep or something? I explained why it might seem that way, since you know my history so well you should know this. I never said anyone attacked me right here. Also note the "probably" in the post you just quoted. Learn to read properly and stop assuming, listen to your own half arsed advice, as that's what it usually is at best. Look at you now, all nose out of joint for no reason only to disagree with me, you invited yourself into this one and now you're spewing all kinds toward me for no particular reason :D How I post is how I post, and to be my usual self, I don't give a flying foot what you think on the matter. How's that?

What is hilarious is you lecturing me about being aggressive or whatever, yet your whole post is nothing but one big dig at me, bit numpty-ish tbh, like get over me already :D
 
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Moreorless said:
Looking at the mockups the most interesting lens to me by far is the 14-30mm F/4, to have that range in a package that size AND without a bulbed front element is pretty impressive, perhaps a sign of the advantage of the larger mount with UWAs?

indeed that's probably the most tempting thing so far for me about the Z-system for me, just about a perfect range and easy use with filters.
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I haven't seen the mockup, but where does it come from? Nikon (in which case it ought to be reasonably reliable) or somewhere else?

I think it's probably the short flange distance that's the key factor, rather than the larger mount. The Sony FE 12-24mm f/4 is quite small, for example. But conventional DSLR lenses can also be surprisingly small: the Sigma 12-24mm (pre- Art series) is full frame, has a flat front element, and is reasonably compact.
 
SsSsSsSsSnake said:
threads never get boring when Keith posts :D
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Seems no matter how I put things someone wants to try educate or lecture me, if they knew what I was like in school they really shouldn't bother :LOL:
 
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Fraser Euan White said:
Trolling! ...............nobody wants to carry an extra Pork Pie but I'm not going to spend £3K not to do so............that's just crazy IMO and an excuse to buy a gadget.
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No one said you should, you brought up you didn't understand the point. You do though, you're just going off on a tedious little rant because you've already made your mind up and it doesn't matter to you.

Fraser Euan White said:
I could loose half a kilo in weight and that would be far more beneficial; that's just how ridiculous this weight saving lark is; a couple of kilo's; yes...........hundreds of grams; you're taking the p***!
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You're welcome to carry as much redundant weight as you want, I'd rather not thanks, nor listen to you lecture me on how much weight matters and how much doesn't.

Fraser Euan White said:
If you were a girl I would feel sorry for you - worrying about which handbag to take on a night out because one weighed 500g more - 'I'll have to spend £3K on a new one because it's so tiring carrying that heavy one all night!'

Would you agree with your wife if she used that as an excuse to spend £3K?...........No - I didn't think so because you would say it's utter b****x!
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Nice straw man, weight isn't much of a concern for me as I normally shoot in a studio so I wouldn't pay a premium for that advantage but I didn't appreciate the voice of all enthusiasts has already determined no one else cares about weight saving. My apologies.
 
snerkler said:
It does on that review yeah. I'd be REALLY surprised if it's that bad though, Nikon surely can't release something that bad???? My guess is it's setting, fault, or pre-production crap ;)
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There's a well rounded assessment of AF performance on DPReview. They had the cameras a couple of days before launch and have covered it quite well, though only in good light (daylight) it seems. Perhaps the most telling comments are in their first impressions review, scroll down to the paragraph headed Performance: AF-C Beta firmware or not, there's actually more than enough criticism in that to raise some serious questions - confirmed by the Nothrups. :(

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/5
 
HoppyUK said:
There's a well rounded assessment of AF performance on DPReview. They had the cameras a couple of days before launch and have covered it quite well, though only in good light (daylight) it seems. Perhaps the most telling comments are in their first impressions review, scroll down to the paragraph headed Performance: AF-C Beta firmware or not, there's actually more than enough criticism in that to raise some serious questions - confirmed by the Nothrups. :(

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z7-first-impressions-review/5
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There's a video of the behind the scenes of that testing:

 
jonneymendoza said:
Depends how sloppy you are at holding steady. I can hand hold up to one and a half a second with 35mm Focal length
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Just tested this, on sony A7RIII with 70-200mmGM. I can get sharp shots down to f1/5-1/6s which is 4-4.5 stops of stabilisation. No where near 7-8 which is I don't think is possible with any system.
 
Cagey75 said:
There's a video of the behind the scenes of that testing:

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There's loads of stuff they've done on it, about a dozen different articles if you scroll down the news items here https://www.dpreview.com/ It's all a bit disjointed and if you rely on their overall summary piece, the AF short-comings in terms of actual tracking performance are barely covered. The bit I mentioned above says it all though really.
 
HoppyUK said:
There's loads of stuff they've done on it, about a dozen different articles if you scroll down the news items here https://www.dpreview.com/ It's all a bit disjointed and if you rely on their overall summary piece, the AF short-comings in terms of actual tracking performance are barely covered. The bit I mentioned above says it all though really.
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What are these short comings? I missed these...
 
Cagey75 said:
YOU mentioned my post history, are you half asleep or something?
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At the risk of this being a complete waste of time, YOU mentioned pro’s then played the victim about Pros attacking you,

As your defence you said you had nothing against pros. At that point, I posted about your posting history...
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Seems no matter how I put things someone wants to try educate or lecture me, if they knew what I was like in school they really shouldn't bother :LOL:
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Oh we can guess ;) , you can’t even keep up with the plot of a conversation you started and have taken part in.
 
nandbytes said:
What are these short comings? I missed these...
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The main one is unreliable focus-tracking of moving subjects. Click the links to DPReview and also Tony & Chelsea Nothrump.

This has always been the Achilles Heel with mirrorless, and so far only Sony has cracked it to DSLR standards.
 
I don't know what you're all getting worked up about. I've worked out a very simple (and very obvious) solution to this "one card slot" problem.

I'll be buying two Z6 bodies and two 35mm lenses. For every picture I take, I'll take one with camera "A" and one with camera "B". Should the worst happen and the XQD card in "A" fails I'll still have the picture from camera "B". The chances of both cards failing is minuscule to say the least.

Seriously, is this not blindingly obvious??
 
ryanyboy said:
I don't know what you're all getting worked up about. I've worked out a very simple (and very obvious) solution to this "one card slot" problem.

I'll be buying two Z6 bodies and two 35mm lenses. For every picture I take, I'll take one with camera "A" and one with camera "B". Should the worst happen and the XQD card in "A" fails I'll still have the picture from camera "B". The chances of both cards failing is minuscule to say the least.

Seriously, is this not blindingly obvious??
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I think Nikon are selling a bracket for this - both fire at the same time too = sorted

Dave
 
Phil V said:
At the risk of this being a complete waste of time, YOU mentioned pro’s then played the victim about Pros attacking you,

As your defence you said you had nothing against pros. At that point, I posted about your posting history...


Oh we can guess ;) , you can’t even keep up with the plot of a conversation you started and have taken part in.
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I did mention pros, so what? Does one have to come in to have a go every time I do? tends to happen. It got you even riled up. Red had already pulled me up on it, I admitted I was making assumptions, why are we even still talking about it? I feel like I've told you this already but you're the one not paying attention. Are you just bored and there's nothing else happening to Lord over? :D

And no, you couldn't guess. I was actually a very bright student, well liked, a hit with the girls and even a couple of teacher's pet ... you would not have guessed any of this because you're off assuming yet again ;) But I could be stubborn when I knew I was right. And them lecturing me otherwise didn't work. There is nothing to keep up with here, bar you bleating on like a broken record about something that doesn't even matter.

And if you wonder why I have to edit so much it's because this stupid keyboard skips a beat every now and then, capital 'I' seems to be stubborn, funny that.
 
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The ZEDs should have been designed for Pros as its well known that amateurs don't take nearly as many photos a year as Pros do

And when they do take some they don't take anything like the range of different types of shots we Pros do, especially we Wedding ones

I imagine that when they get home from a day of not taking many, or many varied, photos they are happy to put their camera away for a week or more, probably just deleting their photos as they know they are pants anyway

Just my speculation of course, based on knowing NOTHING at all of what I'm talking about, and sharing it for no reason at all other than the hope someone bites ;)

Dave
 
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