Nikon D750 & D780

minnnt said:
IMO on paper it sounds like a no brainer to have a DX but in reality a cropped FX image wins for me. Plus once you start pushing the ISO it goes belly up. Especially when cropped. Personally i think your bird shots are brill, very sharp and pack alot of punch.

Just my two penneth...
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Thanks for the input, and the kind words.
 
snerkler said:
Ta will watch this later.


Thanks, but that's why I asked about a cropped D750 vs an uncropped D7200 as I know that if you crop both in PP the FF will always look better. It's not just for birds, but also safari parks where I can't physically get closer. Would a 20/24mp image from a D7100/7200 look better than a cropped to 10mp in PP D750 image?

This was cropped to 2138 x 1427 (3mp). On the D7200/D7100 it would only have had to be cropped to 3207 x 2141 (6.9mp) and I wonder which would look better?


DSC_5749 by TDG-77, on Flickr




Thanks will bear this in mind. Tbh I don't have the patience to be a proper birder, but will still take the odd pic. As above though my question relates more to gaining extra reach if you can't physically get closer.
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If you want to fill the frame and do no cropping, which is rare in wildlife photography try a used D7200 to see how you get on. Another option hire one for the weekend......... I can only go of my experiences with the D7100 but I would prefer to crop the D750 over the D7100. The D7200 maybe better, although Bill doesn't think so, but Gramps does;). Looking at your photo posted, what would the D7200 bring to the photo over the D750?... It's framed nicely with detail, although some harsh highlights to breast which would be the same on both cameras. But my gut feeling, you can do more in PP with the D750 over the D7200.

Just an idea.....Although not a FX versus DX fair comparison, put your lens at 450mm on your D750 and take a photo of a fixed static subject, then take one in DX mode with your lens at 300mm to see how the results fair. Have you tried blacking out the outside area on the D750 to help with framing in crop mode?

At the end of the day you will need to decide what you're going to do with the photos and this may help your decision. Me, I print the odd ones off at home, but usually pixel peep hence getting the D810, plus I want to try more scapes, that was my excuse to Clare;), although my shoulder and elbow surgery has been unsuccessful and I'm finding camera too heavy at present, so may sell.
 
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rookies said:
Lol no
FF better cropping since more MP? I could be talking s*** lol
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Yes you are, some APS-C have more MP than FF and vice versa :p
 
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So whilst up in Scotland I tracked down my Great Great Grandads Gravestone. Its something my Mum had never seen and it was quite a strange feeling finding it. There had been other relatives added including my Great Grandad and then his first son who died at 7. There were then another few names, some missing in France during war and finally some names added under 30 years ago. Makes me wonder if I have a lot of decedents up their still alive who I do not know about.

East Linton Gravestone by Justin Akehurst, on Flickr
 
Swanseajack said:
If you want to fill the frame and do no cropping, which is rare in wildlife photography try a used D7200 to see how you get on. Another option hire one for the weekend......... I can only go of my experiences with the D7100 but I would prefer to crop the D750 over the D7100. The D7200 maybe better, although Bill doesn't think so, but Gramps does;). Looking at your photo posted, what would the D7200 bring to the photo over the D750?... It's framed nicely with detail, although some harsh highlights to breast which would be the same on both cameras. But my gut feeling, you can do more in PP with the D750 over the D7200.

Just an idea.....Although not a FX versus DX fair comparison, put your lens at 450mm on your D750 and take a photo of a fixed static subject, then take one in DX mode with your lens at 300mm to see how the results fair. Have you tried blacking out the outside area on the D750 to help with framing in crop mode?

At the end of the day you will need to decide what you're going to do with the photos and this may help your decision. Me, I print the odd ones off at home, but usually pixel peep hence getting the D810, plus I want to try more scapes, that was my excuse to Clare;), although my shoulder and elbow surgery has been unsuccessful and I'm finding camera too heavy at present, so may sell.
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Thanks for the info. Regarding the bit in bold my thinking is that the D7100/7200 would have had to be cropped less therefore will have more MP and (in theory) show more detail.
 
snerkler said:
Always been into wildlife, probably what I've shot more than anything. Just a thought that went through my head over the past week after going to Yorkshire Wildlife Park and Shillito Woods.

My thought were that a mildly cropped D7100/7200 might look better than a heavily cropped D750. Of course there's noise and DR etc to consider. But again I'm not sure how much more or less noise would show on a mild DX crop compared to a heavy FX crop.

Just pondering :p
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If you want to get most out of wildlife it is always a good idea to get a DX body and a good long telephoto lens. That reach alone and high pixel density makes quite a difference. DX may suffer bit of noise at high ISOs, but you still get a good res image and some NR can make it more than usable for standard viewing on web or print.

Most wildlife shooters use a combination of DX and FX body.
 
snerkler said:
Thanks for the info. Regarding the bit in bold my thinking is that the D7100/7200 would have had to be cropped less therefore will have more MP and (in theory) show more detail.
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I have been into bird photography for about two years now. Even with my perches placed around the garden to try and get the best composition I have still had to crop a lot even with the two DX bodies. As an example, below this grab shot is cropped to 3.9MB @ 2948 x 2113 on my D810 using a Sigma 70-300mm lens. I could count every feather under it's wing..... So not sure how much detail from FF you need?

Hire a D7200 from Stewart for the weekend and see how you get on before parting with your cash for a DX body. In good light it maybe a good option for you, I can only comment on the D7100 I owned.

Robin with peanut butter by Swansea Jack, on Flickr
 
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Rare transit of Mercury across the sun tommorrow.

Just a heads up to get the long lenses out and some solar film or ND16's to catch some shots of Mercury crossing the sun from roughly midday till 7pm. Looks like the weather has crapped out down here in Cornwall though. :(
 
I finally managed to find the time to get out and shoot a few landscapes today! I've been meaning to visit Carew Castle for ages but it's a 2 hour drive (although everywhere is from Aberystwyth). The weather wasn't perfect for landscapes but I got a couple I'm happy with. Cenarth Falls is a location I've never been happy with. The world and his dog has photographed the falls and my last visit was worthless. This time however, I had some decent light and a distinct lack of bloody tourists in my way! :D

1. Carew Castle


2. Cenarth Falls
 
Spiritflier said:
I finally managed to find the time to get out and shoot a few landscapes today! I've been meaning to visit Carew Castle for ages but it's a 2 hour drive (although everywhere is from Aberystwyth). The weather wasn't perfect for landscapes but I got a couple I'm happy with. Cenarth Falls is a location I've never been happy with. The world and his dog has photographed the falls and my last visit was worthless. This time however, I had some decent light and a distinct lack of bloody tourists in my way! :D

1. Carew Castle


2. Cenarth Falls
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Love the top one, nice conversion.
 
Spiritflier said:
I finally managed to find the time to get out and shoot a few landscapes today! I've been meaning to visit Carew Castle for ages but it's a 2 hour drive (although everywhere is from Aberystwyth). The weather wasn't perfect for landscapes but I got a couple I'm happy with. Cenarth Falls is a location I've never been happy with. The world and his dog has photographed the falls and my last visit was worthless. This time however, I had some decent light and a distinct lack of bloody tourists in my way! :D

1. Carew Castle


2. Cenarth Falls
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Both nice, the first one is excellent.
 
Very nice Si ... That castle looks imposing :thumbs:
 
Spiritflier said:
I finally managed to find the time to get out and shoot a few landscapes today! I've been meaning to visit Carew Castle for ages but it's a 2 hour drive (although everywhere is from Aberystwyth). The weather wasn't perfect for landscapes but I got a couple I'm happy with. Cenarth Falls is a location I've never been happy with. The world and his dog has photographed the falls and my last visit was worthless. This time however, I had some decent light and a distinct lack of bloody tourists in my way! :D

1. Carew Castle


2. Cenarth Falls
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Top work Si, that mono conversion is a bit special in my book with a lovely full range of tones and good composition. Great stuff.(y)

George.
 
minnnt said:
Just wondering what 135 would be like at f2... :whistle:
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I looked at what I could afford, the Samyang. Saw some flickr groups and ordered one. Have to cancel the order as plans to buy our first home is on the cards now. No more GAS for me, but the images I saw are outstanding.

The Nikon 135 DC is the only autofocus lens unfortunately, hoping Tamron, Nikon and Sigma will come up with a new lenes soon. The Nikon world needs a good new 135 F2 lens
 
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A lovely capture of a pretty young lady.
That 85mm is so sharp !
 
GHP said:
A lovely capture of a pretty young lady.
That 85mm is so sharp !
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Thanks Gary :)
It unfortunately is now at the stage, where I can only get her to pose if she`s done new make up. Beyond that, I`ve got no chance ;)
 
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Well that's a bonus...

I knew I had an old Nikon lens kicking about from my film days. Or maybe it was from my Fuji S2 days. Whatever, it is an old lens and I wasn't sure what it was - except cheap and crummy.

Turns out it is indeed a cheap and crummy all plastic 80-200 f/4.5-5.6D. I chucked it back in the box, assuming the D somehow meant DX. But then I thought I'd give it a quick go as my D750 will switch to DX mode.

Well, it seems it's actually a full frame compatible lens (perhaps it was from my film days after all) and despite being very cheaply made and slow/variable aperture, it's actually surprisingly sharp even wide open! I'm not going to pretend it's something you'd use for wedding photography but given I very rarely need or shoot longer distance, it's ideal to have in the kit bag "just in case".

It does look silly stuck on the D750 with a vertical grip attached though. Especially when extended to 200mm - if girth is important (so I'm told) then this one ain't winning any prizes :)
 
pjm1 said:
Well that's a bonus...

I knew I had an old Nikon lens kicking about from my film days. Or maybe it was from my Fuji S2 days. Whatever, it is an old lens and I wasn't sure what it was - except cheap and crummy.

Turns out it is indeed a cheap and crummy all plastic 80-200 f/4.5-5.6D. I chucked it back in the box, assuming the D somehow meant DX. But then I thought I'd give it a quick go as my D750 will switch to DX mode.

Well, it seems it's actually a full frame compatible lens (perhaps it was from my film days after all) and despite being very cheaply made and slow/variable aperture, it's actually surprisingly sharp even wide open! I'm not going to pretend it's something you'd use for wedding photography but given I very rarely need or shoot longer distance, it's ideal to have in the kit bag "just in case".

It does look silly stuck on the D750 with a vertical grip attached though. Especially when extended to 200mm - if girth is important (so I'm told) then this one ain't winning any prizes :)
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Maybe of use for future finds in the cupboard:D.

The "D" stands for distance and was introduced for 3D matrix metering and flash use. Some of these old lenses perform okay on modern cameras and the 70-210mm is supposed to be good for the variable aperture one and the constant f4 version. I didn't realise until a few weeks ago, my 80-200mm f2.8 lens is still manufactured and sold around the world except for the UK. >http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-zoom-nikkor-80-200mm-f%2f2.8d-ed.html

Linky for types of lenses. > http://www.graysofwestminster.co.uk/glossary/af_designations.php
 
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Swanseajack said:
Maybe of use for future finds in the cupboard:D.

The "D" stands for distance and was introduced for 3D matrix metering and flash use. Some of these old lenses perform okay on modern cameras and the 70-210mm is supposed to be good for the variable aperture one and the constant f4 version. I didn't realise until a few weeks ago, my 80-200mm f2.8 lens is still manufactured and sold around the world except for the UK. >http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-zoom-nikkor-80-200mm-f%2f2.8d-ed.html

Linky for types of lenses. > http://www.graysofwestminster.co.uk/glossary/af_designations.php
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Thanks Simon... I think I was just having an "early morning" moment but it was still a nice surprise when I discovered it was FX compatible and, actually, not a completely dreadful lens. It means I don't need to worry about getting anything to cover that focal length any time soon :) I was actually looking at that 80-200 f/2.8 as something I might buy if I ever came across a good value version. Is that the push-pull zoom? I remember reading some very good reviews of it, save for the fact some people didn't like that zoom mechanism.

I now have lenses to cover everything from 18mm to 200mm and all are "good enough". 75% of what I shoot is with the 85mm on, and that is delivering in spades. So that's all a bit annoying really as it gives me no excuse to get the GAS going again ;)
 
pjm1 said:
Thanks Simon... I think I was just having an "early morning" moment but it was still a nice surprise when I discovered it was FX compatible and, actually, not a completely dreadful lens. It means I don't need to worry about getting anything to cover that focal length any time soon :) I was actually looking at that 80-200 f/2.8 as something I might buy if I ever came across a good value version. Is that the push-pull zoom? I remember reading some very good reviews of it, save for the fact some people didn't like that zoom mechanism.

I now have lenses to cover everything from 18mm to 200mm and all are "good enough". 75% of what I shoot is with the 85mm on, and that is delivering in spades. So that's all a bit annoying really as it gives me no excuse to get the GAS going again ;)
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Nice little find and could have come in handy with your gull shots;)

There are three versions of the 80-200mm f2.8 AFAIK. The first being a push pull, the second, the twin ring D version which I have and linked to in above post and I believe they also made an AFS version, again twin ring.

I had a good few of the old Nikon D lenses when I was shooting DX and loved the 75-300mm which was a push pull. I bought a 35-70 f2.8 lens recently, which was push pull and hated it so returned.

ETA: Just had a look on KR site and states there's been five versions of the 80-200mm f2.8 . He shows the AFD version as still being for sale and the newer AFS version being discontinued.> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-200mm-history.htm
 
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Swanseajack said:
Nice little find and could have come in handy with your gull shots;)

There are three versions of the 80-200mm f2.8 AFAIK. The first being a push pull, the second, the twin ring D version which I have and linked to in above post and I believe they also made an AFS version, again twin ring.

I had a good few of the old Nikon D lenses when I was shooting DX and loved the 75-300mm which was a push pull. I bought a 35-70 f2.8 lens recently, which was push pull and hated it so returned.

ETA: Just had a look on KR site and states there's been five versions of the 80-200mm f2.8 . He shows the AFD version as still being for sale and the newer AFS version being discontinued.> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-200mm-history.htm
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Yes, you're quite right Simon re: the gull shots :) But then I'd have ended up leaving my Tamron 19-35 lens at home (what dodgy character sold me that?) and there's nothing quite as invigorating as trying to get a swan to fill the frame when shooting wide angle :eek:

I just can't stop defaulting to that 85mm though... there's something magical about that lens, I swear!
 
Grrrr.... Bl--dy British weather. Literally 5 minutes before the Mercury transit of the sun was about to begin it went from full on sunny to full on cloudy in minutes :(
 
Anyone else use the Sigma 70-200 and find it just not that particularly fast at focussing on a moving target?

Calibrated it, and it's bang on anything standing still, but my little girl running about, it misses about 50% of the time.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
Anyone else use the Sigma 70-200 and find it just not that particularly fast at focussing on a moving target?

Calibrated it, and it's bang on anything standing still, but my little girl running about, it misses about 50% of the time.
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I had the OS version and wasn't overly happy with it. Returned it and bought the Nikon VRII. Difference in focussing speed is night and day.
 
snerkler said:
I had the OS version and wasn't overly happy with it. Returned it and bought the Nikon VRII. Difference in focussing speed is night and day.
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Yeah this is that one, got it 2nd hand and would probably get what I paid for it back, so I might look at a similar upgrade.
 
KitsuneAndy said:
Yeah this is that one, got it 2nd hand and would probably get what I paid for it back, so I might look at a similar upgrade.
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For action, sports and kids running around, the Nikon 70-200 VRII is the best lens
 
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