Nikon D750 & D780

twist said:
I've already told him that ;) but it does depend on if he places more importance on size/weight vs overall sensor/af performance. What's going to make him use his camera more if he can only choose one system and are conditions such that he will notice a difference.
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Well AF am sure I will notice different if was doing fast pace which I don't very often do.

But IQ is the concern but looking on flicker it produce great images. But how people managing with low ISO in low lights I don't know. Some don't even have flash
 
rookies said:
Well AF am sure I will notice different if was doing fast pace which I don't very often do.

But IQ is the concern but looking on flicker it produce great images. But how people managing with low ISO in low lights I don't know. Some don't even have flash
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What iso are you using? Low light they use ois if the shutter speed doesn't have to be fast. The system is capable of delivering excellent quality with its own positives and negatives like all cameras.

Think about the performance you actually require vs what's on paper. I don't need a 1dxii or d5 so I won't be buying one.

The d750 and xt1 are both fantastic cameras.... for different reasons.
 
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ISO max I go if needed is 6400 odd times I've use 12800 but very rare
 
I went from Canon to Nikon to Fuji and then back to Nikon again (with a Fuji on the side)... To be honest, I've struggled to reconnect with the Fuji (mainly because the AF isn't as good as the Nikon) and I've found myself in a situation where the X-T10 is up for sale and it's getting replaced with another D7200 (I sold my last one a few months ago and regretted it almost instantly). :)
 
I've discovered that my Nikon kit will never be replaced by the Fuji kit I bought. (X Pro-1)
For a small,l light, travel kit, it suits me fine. I can shoot it at up to ISO 6,400, and it handles it very well.
For those days when I can't be @rsed to carry a DSLR around, it does the job.
I know it's limitations however, and if I'm shooting something which needs the D750, that's what I use.
 
rookies said:
ISO max I go if needed is 6400 odd times I've use 12800 but very rare
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Yeah, I tend to be 6400 max but mostly under. I use fast lenses so for me to actually get to 6400 is quite difficult. My Fuji hasn't replaced my Dslr either, they compliment each other, I choose the one I feel I need on the day.
 
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Even with fast lens I need 6400 to get a good shutter speed I always like at least 100 shutter speed get sharp images or am I s*** lol
 
I do dislike carrying around FF glass all day but ultimately the photos do tend to be worth it with the D750!
 
twist said:
I've already told him that ;) but it does depend on if he places more importance on size/weight vs overall sensor/af performance. What's going to make him use his camera more if he can only choose one system and are conditions such that he will notice a difference.
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Well he wants the holy grail, like us all, ie a system that performs as well as the D750 in an m4/3 sized package ;)

TBH he's always asking about IQ and IMO this is most important to him, even if he doesn't realise this himself lol. He should learn from my experiences, buying an expensive m4/3 setup to find you rarely use it because the D750 is that good you'd rather put up with the weight.
 
Bazzle said:
Being completely non typical and hating football I even can't escape it here now :exit:

Well done Leicester
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I'm with you Barrie. Never liked footie, the ball is totally the wrong shape.
But yes, well done Leicester.
 
Yep huge congrats, must be the biggest fairytale story in footy ever.
 
snerkler said:
Well he wants the holy grail, like us all, ie a system that performs as well as the D750 in an m4/3 sized package ;)

TBH he's always asking about IQ and IMO this is most important to him, even if he doesn't realise this himself lol. He should learn from my experiences, buying an expensive m4/3 setup to find you rarely use it because the D750 is that good you'd rather put up with the weight.
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But hes moved systems more times than you have, so in theory has more experience with different gear than you, its a recurring theme, dslr, csc, dslr, csc etc etc. IMHO he needs to have 2 systems to switch between. The D750 is no good in certain scenarios so it doesnt matter how good the sensor / AF is if you arent going to use it, a smaller camera is more 'socially acceptable'. M43 imo is to large a step down from FF for my own usage, for others its perfect.
 
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You're all talking about this like it's a logical decision with clearly considered pros and cons.

With GAS we know it's often not like that!
 
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twist said:
But hes moved systems more times than you have, so in theory has more experience with different gear than you, its a recurring theme, dslr, csc, dslr, csc etc etc. IMHO he needs to have 2 systems to switch between. The D750 is no good in certain scenarios so it doesnt matter how good the sensor / AF is if you arent going to use it, a smaller camera is more 'socially acceptable'. M43 imo is to large a step down from FF for my own usage, for others its perfect.
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True he has, but I don't believe he's ever run two systems together. Maybe he'll find it different to myself, but I did this and found I very rarely used the Olly. Each to their own and all that, just trying to highlight the pitfalls and save him some money :p
 
snerkler said:
True he has, but I don't believe he's ever run two systems together. Maybe he'll find it different to myself, but I did this and found I very rarely used the Olly. Each to their own and all that, just trying to highlight the pitfalls and save him some money :p
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Even more reason for him to try it. Maybe the Olly was to big a step a down for you. TBH though I think it depends on what hes using his camera for, from what I can tell you are very different cases. His stuff is more social where you dont want to be 'that guy with the big camera'.

And as for that last comment..... you should leave this forum, I dont know you anymore, youve really changed. :p
 
I have two camera systems [emoji3]

1. iPhone - for social snd casual needs
2. Nikon FF - fir everything else I like about photography

For some us, we need to ask ourselves how much do we actually shoot. Having two or three system for intended purposes can be a good thing, but for practical purposes a person shooting only 200-300 frames a month, it is just gear sitting on a shelf.
 
anibap said:
I have two camera systems [emoji3]

1. iPhone - for social snd casual needs
2. Nikon FF - fir everything else I like about photography

For some us, we need to ask ourselves how much do we actually shoot. Having two or three system for intended purposes can be a good thing, but for practical purposes a person shooting only 200-300 frames a month, it is just gear sitting on a shelf.
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1. Not a system.
2. Excellent choice.

I kinda get what you are saying but if someones enjoying and achieving what they want even within 20 frames then its probably worth it to them. Why do they need to rattle off 1000s of shots a month to make a camera worthwhile? If someone buys a motorbike it doesnt mean they have to use it everyday to make it worthwhile and that applies to all hobbies.
 
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twist said:
where you dont want to be 'that guy with the big camera'.
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Yep size has got sod all to do with my choices ;) I'm still longing for the day of FF in m4/3 size factor :lol:

And as for that last comment..... you should leave this forum, I dont know you anymore, youve really changed. :p
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:ROFLMAO:
 
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twist said:
1. Not a system.
2. Excellent choice.

I kinda get what you are saying but if someones enjoying and achieving what they want even within 20 frames then its probably worth it to them. Why do they need to rattle off 1000s of shots a month to make a camera worthwhile? If someone buys a motorbike it doesnt mean they have to use it everyday to make it worthwhile and that applies to all hobbies.
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But people do make these choices - it's called opportunity cost. The money is tied up on the shelf while you could spend it on something else (non-photographic).

You chose to sell the D750 because you couldn't justify the cost of X-T1 and D750 together :)
 
JYC said:
But people do make these choices - it's called opportunity cost. The money is tied up on the shelf while you could spend it on something else (non-photographic).

You chose to sell the D750 because you couldn't justify the cost of X-T1 and D750 together :)
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My money isnt tied up in anything, I use my equipment. And why couldnt they spend money on photography and other non photographic items? Its not tied up if you dont need it and you enjoy using it, however little. It depends how much the user values having it, like everything.

Not entirely the only reason, cost was part of it but the XT1 and D700 offer what I need at present and I get more out of having both systems than just one which is even more important, I didnt sell for just one system ;) So the return on my money is better.
 
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twist said:
My money isnt tied up in anything, I use my equipment. And why couldnt they spend money on photography and other non photographic items? Its not tied up if you dont need it and you enjoy using it, however little. It depends how much the user values having it, like everything.

Not entirely the only reason, cost was part of it but the XT1 and D700 offer what I need at present and I get more out of having both systems than just one which is even more important, I didnt sell for just one system ;) So the return on my money is better.
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How's does the d700 perform could be option getting a cheap one for my Nikon lens and get a xt1 work along it
 
SsSsSsSsSnake said:
;)Was d700 a typo Twist ?? Well it has been a few days since last seeing you had a D750 ;)
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Yes mate, Im on my 3rd D700 now over the years. I sold the D750 a little while back after getting the D700, Ive got enough experience with both that shows the D700 will cover me well enough with the lenses I have, Id rather have the D700 and a good system camera that covers what I do well. Thats not saying anything negative about the D750, it still the best camera Ive used at its price point.
 
twist said:
Exactly. Different cases.
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Yep you're probably right. I just get the impression that Andy's like me in that ultimately it's IQ that counts, and as much as small form factor appeals immensely it inevitably disappoints (excluding A7's with primes). That being said, Fuji has become more appealing of late with it's introduction of the 100-400mm, and I'm sure it's only a matter of time for mirrorless AF to be on par.

P.S. I've edited my post above as I thought it sounded quite abrupt on re-reading :blush:
 
rookies said:
How's does the d700 perform could be option getting a cheap one for my Nikon lens and get a xt1 work along it
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Mate, youd be better asking in the official thread or PMing me, its not really D750 thread related and we seem to be getting OT.
 
snerkler said:
Yep you're probably right. I just get the impression that Andy's like me in that ultimately it's IQ that counts, and as much as small form factor appeals immensely it inevitably disappoints (excluding A7's with primes). That being said, Fuji has become more appealing of late with it's introduction of the 100-400mm, and I'm sure it's only a matter of time for mirrorless AF to be on par.

P.S. I've edited my post above as I thought it sounded quite abrupt on re-reading :blush:
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If that was the case shouldnt you be shooting a D810? The thing is though, sometimes you need to compromise, better to get a shot/memory than none at all and thats the point. The Fujis compare very well against the A7, not the A7rii but definitely the A7. Then compare the price of a Fuji system vs an A7rii and lenses (if they are available in the FL you want), you havent used either system so cant really say with confidence the A7 is better, its not just about numbers (all the time).

You talk about ultimate IQ... yet I see stuff like this, produced on Fujis. Looks good enough to me.

http://www.nathanelson.com/portrait/

http://www.lovegrovephotography.com/category/galleries/

And to be clear, I never once said Rookies should replace his D750 with any other camera. I told him the D750 is better than the Fuji in terms of IQ/AF overall... a few times, if thats all that he wants then he should stick with the D750.
 
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twist said:
If that was the case shouldnt you be shooting a D810? The thing is though, sometimes you need to compromise, better to get a shot/memory than none at all and thats the point. The Fujis compare very well against the A7, not the A7rii but definitely the A7. Then compare the price of a Fuji system vs an A7rii and lenses (if they are available in the FL you want), you havent used either system so cant really say with confidence the A7 is better, its not just about numbers (all the time).

You talk about ultimate IQ... yet I see stuff like this, produced on Fujis. Looks good enough to me.

http://www.nathanelson.com/portrait/

http://www.lovegrovephotography.com/category/galleries/
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Nope obviously nothing wrong with those at all (they are pretty special those). But low light, moving subjects? I have to take these into consideration too as it's a big part of my photography. As for the D810, well it's a compromise as you say on price, functionality (flippy screen) and really importantly for me ergonomics.

But as this discussion highlights, it's the right tool for the job and the individual, and as yet there is no such thing as the perfect camera (y)
 
snerkler said:
Nope obviously nothing wrong with those at all. But low light, moving subjects? I have to take these into consideration too as it's a big part of my photography. As for the D810, well it's a compromise as you say on price, functionality (flippy screen) and really importantly for me ergonomics.

But as this discussion highlights, it's the right tool for the job and the individual, and as yet there is no such thing as the perfect camera (y)
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Thats why I said previously it basically depends on his requirements ;) Im not specifically talking about your case and I was talking about how 2 camera systems can compliment each other not about complete replacement.

There certainly isnt and probably never will be, as things get better our expectations increase and it doesnt mean our own photos will get any better.
 
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