Nikon D750 & D780

F/1.4 said:
Happy to report both D750s shooting into the blazing sun from a variety of angles, no sign of this issue. Sigma 35 / 50 art lenses and also a Nikon 50mm 1.8G for good measure. I do normally shade the camera as I despise flare but thought I'd try to create the issue mentioned.
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Can you post some photos?
 
Out at the present but yeah no probs dude. Bit of an Xmas eve party at the wife's mums house. I do agree that its a s***ty response if Nikon don't acknowledge people wouldn't be happy. Also all the examples I have seen, regardless of the band I don't think they'd be even remotely usable photos.
 
Adam Wortman said:
Personally, I think people without the camera shouldn't be posting on the issue,
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Sorry but that's nonsense, it's a discussion forum and everyone is entitled to participate in that discussion as long as they do so politely ... just because someone doesn't currently have the camera does not mean that they don't have an interest in it and any reported issues affecting it.
 
'Characteristic' ... is that the same as a 'Feature'?
That response is a complete joke from Nikon and as a Nikon user it bothers me to think that they would even respond in that way!
 
gramps said:
'Characteristic' ... is that the same as a 'Feature'?
That response is a complete joke from Nikon and as a Nikon user it bothers me to think that they would even respond in that way!
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That's just one individual in the organisation. Maybe someone was having s bad day? - It's a very poor response and I would be pretty hacked off to be spoken to like that.
However, that doesn't represent Nikon's official viewpoint. It needs a call to the manager backed up with an email and photographs.

No doubt you've read my recent comments a few posts ago. I rang up Nikon Professional Services on Monday to have a a catch up etc, I have no doubt that they will take this back and have a look at it they are keen to address each issue as and when they arise.
 
That may be true Nick but whoever answers the 'phone gives Nikon's response and for many people the response to that will be...
geriatrix said:
I can't see any point in me trying to get past this response with Nikon,
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gramps said:
That may be true Nick but whoever answers the 'phone gives Nikon's response and for many people the response to that will be...
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I agree customer perception is very important in the service industry. Being fobbed off by people is becoming the norm these days in many organisations, staffed by people who don't know or don't care and then add their own spin snd quote 'policy' - in many cases they can't lay their hands on it or produce it when asked !
 
Radiohead said:
Ok. That explains why some bodies aren't seeing it.
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So its either an issue thats been rectified on the sly (I doubt it as its effecting a large range of serials), poor QC or users arent testing their cameras properly. If its normal for the d750 why are only certain cameras effected?

Its not normal, just like the d600 splatter wasnt and they denied that till there was a massive lawsuit in the states.
 
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Whether it's a design fault or QC issues, it won't help Nikon in the long run. How long before the D760 is released, 6 months?

I know QC issues can hit virtually every manufacturer (not just cameras) but in the 4 years since getting into digital, I've had a D7000 with the oil-spatter issues, A D7100 with serious AF issues & a 50 mm lens with a thick grey hair inside the front element. All sorted or returned, but it doesn't instil me with confidence in Nikon products tbh, which is a shame. :(

I'm just glad I didn't get a D800 or D600 with any of the previous issues & I'll be waiting to see what happens re these potential issues with the D750 before committing any more hard earned........or jumping!
 
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OldCarlos said:
How long before the D760 is released, 6 months?
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Highly doubt it. Its a very successful camera, Nikon will fix or replace those effected, now the info is spreading like wildfire they have no choice but to do what's right.
 
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twist said:
Highly doubt it. Its a very successful camera, Nikon will fix or replace those effected, now the info is spreading like wildfire they have no choice but to do what's right.
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I honestly really hope they do, BUT, saying there isn't a fault & it's just a `characteristic` surely isn't right?
 
OldCarlos said:
I honestly really hope they do, BUT, saying there isn't a fault & it's just a `characteristic` surely isn't right?
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Its not an official statement, its a CS adviser trying to downplay the issue till they get their act together.
 
Boldonian said:
I know this issue affects all 750's , are they likely to sort out the grey imports?
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It seems it DOESN'T affect ALL D750's.

If Nikon won't `fix` a grey import (which they probably will) you can get in touch with the seller & return for a refund/exchange.
 
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Its not an official statement, its a CS adviser trying to downplay the issue till they get their act together.
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I understand that, although it's not like this issue has only been highlighted this past couple of days, but it doesn't sound like it's going to be a relatively easy firmware fix, more of a hands-on mechanical job. Which suggests more of a QC issue in assembly,.
 
OldCarlos said:
It seems it DOESN'T affect ALL D750's.

If Nikon won't `fix` a grey import (which they probably will) you can get in touch with the seller & return for a refund/exchange.
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Though some may require a 'repair' through a UK third-party repairer, depending on their terms of sale. :)
 
Bucking the statement about people without D750 not having a right to post on this subject, I am going to post again, on this subject.

I have seen all the pictures that have been taken with said camera in said lighting conditions and agree that most of the pictures would have been a bit naff anyway because of the poor lighting, however I am beginning to wonder about what the symptoms of the fault actually are.

The thread talks about a dark band at the top of the frame, but this is not a dark band; on all the pictures it's a normally exposed band with the dividing line being a delineation between a correct exposure at the top and one suffering from flare underneath.

I offer this suggestion: That if the same photographs were taken with a camera that doesn't show this 'fault' then the flare would actually go all the way to the top of the frame and although the picture would be consistent across the whole frame, it would also suffer from flare across the whole frame and as such is just a photograph that shouldn't be taken without serious lens shading.
 
twist said:
So its either an issue thats been rectified on the sly (I doubt it as its effecting a large range of serials), poor QC or users arent testing their cameras properly. If its normal for the d750 why are only certain cameras effected?

Its not normal, just like the d600 splatter wasnt and they denied that till there was a massive lawsuit in the states.
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I believe what got the d600 out in the open/nikon admiting an issue was more the huge backlash they received in china.. The media and even government got involved from what I heard.. the fact the yearly have an attack on Japanese products doesnt help.

China was the first country to offer free upgrades to the d610.

The d810 ossue was easily fixed and noticed quickly but japanese companys it seems dont like to admit failure/fault so unless this gets worse there wont be a public addressing.. d800 af issue was never publicly acknowledged.
 
ShinySideUp said:
I have seen all the pictures that have been taken with said camera in said lighting conditions and agree that most of the pictures would have been a bit naff anyway because of the poor lighting, however I am beginning to wonder about what the symptoms of the fault actually are.
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You are absolutely right in the fact that one should not be shooting direct into the light without a lens shade or hood and making no efforts to minimise flare. Almost all of the artificially created photos showing this problem would appear to have severe flare issue which would render the photo horribly unusable even without the banding.

I suppose Nikon may argue people are trying to use the camera in a way that I'd not intended...
 
ShinySideUp said:
Bucking the statement about people without D750 not having a right to post on this subject, I am going to post again, on this subject.

I have seen all the pictures that have been taken with said camera in said lighting conditions and agree that most of the pictures would have been a bit naff anyway because of the poor lighting, however I am beginning to wonder about what the symptoms of the fault actually are.

The thread talks about a dark band at the top of the frame, but this is not a dark band; on all the pictures it's a normally exposed band with the dividing line being a delineation between a correct exposure at the top and one suffering from flare underneath.

I offer this suggestion: That if the same photographs were taken with a camera that doesn't show this 'fault' then the flare would actually go all the way to the top of the frame and although the picture would be consistent across the whole frame, it would also suffer from flare across the whole frame and as such is just a photograph that shouldn't be taken without serious lens shading.
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I think anyone is quite entitled to pass comments on images whether they own the camera that took it or not, and yes, I believe you are absolutely correct; The "dark band" is not the problem except insofar as it illustrates the hard cut-off of the "flare".

Whether the flare should be there in the first place is something else. I wouldn't necessarily agree with you that the images I posted earlier this afternoon should suffer from that horrible degree of flare anyway. Certainly the second of the two in my experience should not have displayed any flare at all. The sun was way out of frame and weak behind the edge of a cloud. So, yes, the problem is more the characteristics of the flare and its sharp cut-off. Right now I believe this flare originates from unreasonable internal reflection originating from the component (metering module?) clearly visible at the base of the sensor when the mirror is retracted.

I don't suppose I'll get time tomorrow, but if the sun shines on boxing day I'll see what I can do with placing the D750 on a tripod with 50mm 1.8 lens and hood, exhibiting the flare in a decent scene and then mounting my Df on the same tripod after transferring the lens and taking an image with identical settings. I can prejudge that the Df will be fine and display a "nicely backlit" image without flare.

On my D750 the module is clearly visible and looks like a reflective glass "prism?". My Df is similar except there is a baffle on top preventing reflection. I have looked at a D5300 and D5200 which I know are much smaller, but the module is buried deep whereas the D750 module is well in view. I will apologise in advance for my probable use of the wrong nomenclature, but hopefully you'll get what I mean. Perhaps it's a trade-off? Metering sensitivity which is outstanding on the D750 vs. internal reflections?

The lighting might be a bit challenging but if there's enough interest I imagine I can take a macro image of D750, Df & possibly D5300 mirror boxes to illustrate what I mean.
 
...or maybe its because they don't have the issue. Neither of my bodies do. While I certainly do not bury my head in the sand when an issue like this is reported (first thing I tried to do was replicate it), I don't think it warrants the level of hysteria it's generating in the photography world. I don't think I can remember a camera being released (from any brand) that was devoid of a fairly wide reaching manufacturing flaw - the 5D3 and its light leaks, the D800 and it's focus issues etc etc. In regards to this, I don't think the issue appears to be as wide ranging or as cripplingly bad as the D600 dust issue, but the spectre of that particular incident means that every camera launch will be followed by a search and subsequent over reporting of an issue. Remember just after the D750 launch when people went bats*** over an innocuous wifi setting?

Apple suffers the same issue ever since they released the iphone 4 and got floored by the very real problem that became known as antenna-gate. Since then there seems to be a rush after every launch to find a major flaw in any new handset. The recent so-called 'bend-gate' was particularly funny - OMG the phone bends when I put it in my back pocket and sit on it!!! NO s***, IT DOES!

I've read widely on this on other forums and recently some are claiming they can replicate it (albeit to a lesser extent) with other cameras, including canon bodies.
 
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It's Christmas.... peace & Good will to all men..... Give it a rest guys. The D750 is a very good camera, some units clearly have a flaw/defect/characteristic when subjected to unusual lighting conditions. Let's give Nikon a chance to say something about it. If you don't like the flaw/defect/characteristic, don't buy the camera or ask for a refund or if it is too late then wait & see what Nikon have to say. I don't suppose moaning on a forum like this is going to make you feel any better. You may feel smug or superior if you haven't bought a D750, you may feel annoyed if you have, just remember people design & build these products, they make mistakes, they are human. The more complex these devices are, the more 'problems' they will exhibit, nobody can design and build a 100% perfect product. As an ex software engineer I know how difficult (near impossible) it is to test code to 100%.

Merry Christmas
 
The Nikon D750 thread has been temporarily removed to the staff area for review and clean up.
Apologies to anyone who was participating civilly and enjoying the thread, but it seems that some have dragged it down to playground level.

No need for anyone to start a new thread on the topic - this one will be back, but frankly it's Christmas Day and I have other things to do right now.
Besides, I think I may need a few more glasses bottles of alcohol before I can bring myself to trawl through pages of willy-waving over a piece of kit and work out exactly what's going on in there :thinking:

In the meantime, get your cameras out, look at your Christmas presents, eat, drink, be merry and enjoy your day.
There are better things to be doing than arguing over a camera !!!

Merry Christmas everyone :)
 
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Right, thread has been tidied up and I apologise to anyone who has had an 'innocent' or well meaning post edited in the process, but some things no longer made sense once the quote or post they were responding to was deleted.

Gentlemen, this is the third time in the last few pages that a mod has had to intervene and tidy up in here, so PLEASE can we try to keep this grown up and constructive.
It's obviously an important subject that people want to discuss and it's a shame to see it being constantly derailed.

No more personal digs, insults or general stirring and no dredging up earlier posts that may have been missed in the numerous clean-ups and warnings.
Fresh start from here on in.
If you don't have anything constructive to say or you don't like another member's opinion then move on and/or RTM it if you feel it needs attention.
 
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I've got an itchy finger right now. Lucrative contract which has left me with some spare change for boys toys and I'm finding it harder to resist. The D750 would probably suit me best but I'm also tempted by the D810.

Essentially I want to go out and pick up a full wedding kit setup...... But I must be getting tight in my old age as I keep hesitating. A couple of years ago I would have bought them already, sold them for Canon kit, sold that and gone Micro Four Thirds and then rebought the D750s all in the time it's taking me to make up my mind now. My itrader feedback on my old account can attest to that!
 
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DigitalRelish said:
Here's, in my opinion, a more balanced write-up about the (non-) issue.

https://photographylife.com/nikon-d750-flare-shading-issue

To date, I've only seen a small number of examples of this being an issue in real-life situations and even then would the end client have noticed it?
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Very interesting, I cant help but feel that has likely been triggered by one 'patient zero' forum post and snowballed spectacularly, but could quite as easily have occurred and kicked off with any number of other cameras past and present.

I'm more confident than ever in my D750 now having read that (not that I was overly concerned before).
 
Saving up the pennies for a D750, I for one couldn't give a monkeys about an issue that's been blown up out of all proportion.
 
DigitalRelish said:
Here's, in my opinion, a more balanced write-up about the (non-) issue.

https://photographylife.com/nikon-d750-flare-shading-issue

To date, I've only seen a small number of examples of this being an issue in real-life situations and even then would the end client have noticed it?
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hopefully this sensible write up and comparisons to the same effect with other bodies will help put this to bed, looking forward to picking up a replacement (hopefully) on Saturday :)
 
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