Nikon Crop folks is the D7200 going to be a buy and a half ?

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The D500 cometh yes we await the tests and very sure its going to be some camera and raise the bar

Or is it ?

In the real world lets look

The D7200 and D7100 could go for £500 or less used the 7100 less the D500 a cool £1700

Both these cameras are 24 MP D500 21 MP

10 FPS vs 6FPS advantage yes but hardly necessary unless you are a photo journalist

150 focus points vs 51 yes great and I am sure its better but really whats wrong with the AF on the D7200 ? plus depends on your lens too

ISO yes likely much better but unless you are a shooter regularly shooting in dark places or need it for a living how big a deal ?

Snap bridge and articulating screens do me a favour !

In the real world I bet there is scarcely a diference you are paying huge money for very marginal improvements this is great news for us amatuers as great kit can be had for low cost for those prepared to sit over the shoulder of those who play the manufacturers game. And in two years once the D520 is out you upgrade

Put your money in glass

Whats not to like ?
 
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IF the ISO capability of the D500 lives up to the hype it will be much more than about "shooting in dark places" ... it will be a wildlife/sports killer-cam! :)
 
You are missing so much in the difference between these bodies, that I wouldn't know where to start explaining, but start with the Pro-level vs Enthusiast level bodies, metal vs plastic, dedicated buttons, screen resolution, twin storage slots, etc, etc, etc.

Google the differences and if you need the performance there really isn't a choice.

IMHO of course!
 
gramps said:
IF the ISO capability of the D500 lives up to the hype it will be much more than about "shooting in dark places" ... it will be a wildlife/sports killer-cam! :)
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I will interested to see if it meets the hype. What kind of ISO are we talking about? As good as a D750/D800? Surely a dx crop sensor won't be as good as a full frame sensor. What's the difference between full frame and crop 1-1.5 stops of ISO?

david357 said:
You are missing so much in the difference between these bodies, that I wouldn't know where to start explaining, but start with the Pro-level vs Enthusiast level bodies, metal vs plastic, dedicated buttons, screen resolution, twin storage slots, etc, etc, etc.

Google the differences and if you need the performance there really isn't a choice.

IMHO of course!
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The D7xxx series has twin SD card slots it's the D3xxx and D5xxx that don't. This whole D500 vs D7200 is a load of rubbish as it depends on the needs of the photographer, some will need it but many won't. A lot of it's going to go down to cost as a £1700 camera should mean coupling with high end long primes, something not all users will have.
 
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As a wildlife photographer, if the ISO is is what we all hope it to be, it is very definitely a worthy ugrade. It just depends how much money you can spare on a hobby I guess!
 
david357 said:
You are missing so much in the difference between these bodies, that I wouldn't know where to start explaining, but start with the Pro-level vs Enthusiast level bodies, metal vs plastic, dedicated buttons, screen resolution, twin storage slots, etc, etc, etc.

Google the differences and if you need the performance there really isn't a choice.

IMHO of course!
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Yes but none of those are image related I was thinking of back up to a full frame which I didn't explain pure practical getting the image other than ISO and AF marginal benefits is there really a vast gulf likely in IQ ?
 
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What kind of ISO are we talking about? As good as a D750/D800? Surely a dx crop sensor won't be as good as a full frame sensor.
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Have you seen some of the samples, allegedly taken at up to ISO 52,000?
Can you imagine (if they are accurate) what that would do for a shutter speed capable of stopping a fast bird in flight and getting a clean result? :)
 
I'd be very surprised if the d500 can beat one of the low light kings in terms of high iso.
 
I've had a D3S, D4 & D4S and I'm prepared to end up being surprised :)
 
gramps said:
Have you seen some of the samples, allegedly taken at up to ISO 52,000?
Can you imagine (if they are accurate) what that would do for a shutter speed capable of stopping a fast bird in flight and getting a clean result? :)
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I've not bothered following the d500 as I have no interest in getting one. ISO52,000 does sound crazy good but it will be interesting to see how it performs in normal folks hands as those iso levels would kill off a large amount of nikons fx market, for many better ISO is a reason to go full frame.

I don't get the whole pro vs consumer body argument, for most normal users I don't think it matters too much. I've had both in the D800 and D750 and can't say I noticed much difference other than an extra AF button and the round viewfinder curtain, both of which I can live without.
 
gramps said:
I've had a D3S, D4 & D4S and I'm prepared to end up being surprised :)
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Considering Sony supply Nikon sensors all you have to do is look at dxo to see what they and nikon achieve at each sensor generation and it's not even near 1 1/2 stops better noise performance. Wait and see I guess.
 
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In terms of overall performance my opinion is that the D500 will be a considerable 'upgrade' over the D7200. Granted each improvement is only small but add them all together and it'll make a difference.

However, in terms of purely IQ I don't think there'll be a lot of difference between the D7200 and the D500. I'd be VERY surprised if RAW ISO performance of the D500 can match, let alone beat the D750 and D810, and the D750 is only about one and one third of a stop better than the D7200. I'm clearly guessing but I think that the D500 will be at most one stop better in ISO performance over the D7200. It'll be interesting to see though, as well as the DR of the D500 at high ISO.
 
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snerkler said:
In terms of overall performance my opinion is that the D500 will be a considerable 'upgrade' over the D7200. Granted each improvement is only small but add them all together and it'll make a difference.

However, in terms of purely IQ I don't think there'll be a lot of difference between the D7200 and the D500. I'd be VERY surprised if RAW ISO performance of the D500 can match, let alone beat the D750 and D810, and the D750 is only about one and one third of a stop better than the D7200. I'm clearly guessing but I think that the D500 will be at most one stop better in ISO performance over the D7200. It'll be interesting to see though, as well as the DR of the D500 at high ISO.
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This is the point of my thread say wildlife d7200 you are putting 24mp on the subject as opposed to 21mp on the d500 overall of course the d500 will be a better camera but for what matters image quality the d7200 could be close or even better than the d500 at a quarter of the price
 
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