NEW VED rules April 2017 what are your thoughts?

Guvmint trying to make up for the loss in revenue from low fuel prices.
 
seems reasonable, also i note the low emmisions are now being correctly targetted.
good on the gov for once.
 
I think it'll depend on what your emissions are (excluding list price) as all except 0 emissions will be £140 - so if your car falls below that cost presently, your better buying in March, if it's over that cost, wait til April and you'll be better off.

Then comes the £310 per year extra charge for over the £40k limit - this could potentially hit and stop a lot of people buying this car a couple of years down the line.

Could be a very lucrative month in March for a lot of dealers ...
 
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does anyone who buys a 40k pus car really give a hoot about VED?

Maybe a few years down the line, where you might splash out to buy a very well specked 2nd hand car - that the options they added have shoved the list price over £40K. Quite easy to do with some cars...
 
seems reasonable, also i note the low emmisions are now being correctly targetted.
good on the gov for once.

But the £140 rate covering all emission levels does mean limited incentive to buy/use lower emission vehicles :(

FWIW I bought a lower emission car (2nd hand in Aug last year) a 65 plate Focus 125 Ecoboost. Certainly will have to keep it as long as possible. NB the VED is £20
 
But the £140 rate covering all emission levels does mean limited incentive to buy/use lower emission vehicles :(

FWIW I bought a lower emission car (2nd hand in Aug last year) a 65 plate Focus 125 Ecoboost. Certainly will have to keep it as long as possible. NB the VED is £20

agree but the super low VED has been unrealistic for years.
it was introduced as an incentive to get people into lower emmision cars.
i think it means the next step will be new VED for diesels to drive them off the road.
 
Maybe a few years down the line, where you might splash out to buy a very well specked 2nd hand car - that the options they added have shoved the list price over £40K. Quite easy to do with some cars...

but tht is not true the extra VED is only for the first five years.
 
agree but the super low VED has been unrealistic for years.
it was introduced as an incentive to get people into lower emmision cars.
i think it means the next step will be new VED for diesels to drive them off the road.

Just to try to understand this new info ~ any lower emission car bought before 1st April that has say the £20 VED will remain at that level (so far?) Under the new regs?
 
Could be a very lucrative month in March for a lot of dealers ...
If I was buying a new car, I'd want it to my spec, especially on something over £40k. Not what the dealer has lying around in storage somewhere. Build dates on a lot of cars can be quite lengthy and on some you'd be lucky to have it by the end of March.
 
Just to try to understand this new info ~ any lower emission car bought before 1st April that has say the £20 VED will remain at that level (so far?) Under the new regs?

Yes, that's my understanding - if you bought the same car in April onwards, then the VED would be £140
 
i think it means the next step will be new VED for diesels to drive them off the road.
There's already talk about banning them completely from major town centres. Not sure how practical it would be given HGVs and similar use it to make deliveries.

If I was buying a new car, I'd want it to my spec, especially on something over £40k.
+1. I was looking at a new Golf GTI and even that could hit £40k if I stuck on enough extras.

Most people seem to buy cars via PCP and hence swap them every three years. I wonder whether dealerships will add in road tax for "free" as a sweetener (whilst bumping up prices across the board to compensate).
 
So does this mean my 2 litre diesel will stay at £30 or will it be going up to the £140 base rate ?
 
I thought the point of cheap tax for lower emission vehicles was to encourage the purchase of less polluting cars?

all this talk of banning diesels.. oh please, my VW puts out less CO2 than a lot of petrol engines of the same size.

Guvmint trying to make up for the loss in revenue from low fuel prices.

£1.22 for diesel is cheap?
 
I've just got the sneaking feeling that the government will "rationalise" the bands to avoid confusion :(

Me too. It seems too clear cut and simple for the Government to apply this setup.

Probably an additional fuel tax will soon be pinned on at the pumps which will apply to all, the reason will be old engines and big engines (generally) pollute more therefore a fuel usage tax should apply. I saw on the news yesterday talk of Pothole Tax being applied at the pumps to pay for them too!
 
all this talk of banning diesels.. oh please, my VW puts out less CO2 than a lot of petrol engines of the same size.
The system to date has been biased toward global emissions (CO2) and has largely overlooked the very serious local health implications of NOx and particulates. One of the problems here is that diesel engines were sold as the cure-all when the only concern being considered was CO2 and this has resulted in too many diesel engined vehicles being used for short journeys and city/town driving and this has made the NOx/particulate situation worse than it was before.

What's needed is a progressive policy that encourages the right vehicles of the right fuel type for the journeys being driven. For diesel this might mean a higher standing charge in terms of VED with reduced fuel duty - penalising those driving the least miles and benefiting those driving the most. Alongside this an incentive for switching to electric vehicles for town/city driving. Somewhere in between would be a rebalancing of VED and fuel duty for petrol, perhaps to favour hybrids. Diesel hybrids appear to be a dead-end technology except for heavy applications (trains and perhaps trucks, but not city buses - sorry Boris).
 
Owning an electric vehicle anywhere outside of a city is going to be a frustrating experience unless you really have only very short journeys to do. I've had arguments with 'greens' who simply won't accept that the technology isn't viable if you live more than a few miles from an urban area. I'll be first in the queue to buy one when they can do 500 miles on a charge mind.
 
It does seem odd how people get so hung up on how much VED costs.

Even at £310 a year, its still less than £1k over three years.

If you are paying £40k for a brand new car, you can afford £310 a year for VED so harping on about the cost doesn't really hold much weight.
 
Owning an electric vehicle anywhere outside of a city is going to be a frustrating experience unless you really have only very short journeys to do. I've had arguments with 'greens' who simply won't accept that the technology isn't viable if you live more than a few miles from an urban area. I'll be first in the queue to buy one when they can do 500 miles on a charge mind.
Persisting in thinking that any one technology os the solution for everything isn't going to make the situation any better. It's going to be about the right fuel for the job. It might mean two car households thinking about having two differently fuelled vehicles and being flexible as to who drives which depending upon varying daily needs.
 
I thought the point of cheap tax for lower emission vehicles was to encourage the purchase of less polluting cars?

all this talk of banning diesels.. oh please, my VW puts out less CO2 than a lot of petrol engines of the same size.



£1.22 for diesel is cheap?

its not about CO2 any more its about particulates which are the biggest polluters now in towns and cities.
when it comes to particules diesels are killers.

back in 2012 the WHO said diesel exhaust caused higher cancer rates

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/world-health-organization-says-diesel-exhaust-causes-cancer
 
Persisting in thinking that any one technology os the solution for everything isn't going to make the situation any better. It's going to be about the right fuel for the job. It might mean two car households thinking about having two differently fuelled vehicles and being flexible as to who drives which depending upon varying daily needs.

exactly maybe 1x electric vehicle for school run and work etc and a small petroll for weekends and longer trips.

easy
 
IF there was a reasonably priced electric car without a battery rental charge that is more expensive than our current "town car" fuel bill, we'd have one. If there was a Tesla dealer closer than Cribb's Causeway, I could be tempted to consider one for my Big Car choice.
 
exactly maybe 1x electric vehicle for school run and work etc and a small petroll for weekends and longer trips.

easy

They would have to make it really unaffordable to make people change like that, enough people anyway.

My partners car is £20 a year for VED. Even if they suddenly bumped that to £300, we would just pay it. The hassle and cost of changing cars wouldn't outweigh the £25 a month it costs.

People usually do whatever is cheapest unless that requires more effort than they are prepared to put in, assuming they can afford the alternative.
 
exactly maybe 1x electric vehicle for school run and work etc and a small petroll for weekends and longer trips.

easy

Easy indeed for the average UK family to own one of each.
 
Diesel hybrids appear to be a dead-end technology except for heavy applications (trains and perhaps trucks, but not city buses - sorry Boris).
They're not. There are still advances being made in cleaning up diesel engines, and making them hybrids cleans them up a lot more still, meaning smaller, cleaner and even more economical diesel engines can be used assisted by electric motors.
 
IF there was a reasonably priced electric car without a battery rental charge that is more expensive than our current "town car" fuel bill, we'd have one. If there was a Tesla dealer closer than Cribb's Causeway, I could be tempted to consider one for my Big Car choice.
As Tesla's are over £40k, would they not be taxed at £310 per year for 5yrs after the 1st year.
 
Owning an electric vehicle anywhere outside of a city is going to be a frustrating experience unless you really have only very short journeys to do. I've had arguments with 'greens' who simply won't accept that the technology isn't viable if you live more than a few miles from an urban area. I'll be first in the queue to buy one when they can do 500 miles on a charge mind.
Ford are launching a Fully Electric SUV within the next few years which will have a range of at least 300 miles, plus Ford along with other manufacturers have clubbed together to increase the number of fast charging points across Europe, Within the next 3yrs the US will get a Hybrid Mustang with the power of the V8, this will make it's way into Europe, if the market should arise. They will also be launching an Electric Transit and a wifi system for charging cars where you just have to park the car over a charging pad.
 
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I'm not giving up my Diesel, can't justify the cost of changing cars and public transport is laughable!
 
I'm already paying £485 for my car so a retrospective change to £120 would be a bonus, although her car is only £20 so that going up would even things up. binning RFL would be best and adding 5p (or so) to a litre seems fair, higher miles pays more, fair?
 
As Tesla's are over £40k, would they not be taxed at £310 per year for 5yrs after the 1st year.


If bought new, yes (by the look of the proposal) but I wouldn't buy new - let some idiot take the biggest depreciation hit!
 
Ford are launching a Fully Electric SUV within the next few years which will have a range of at least 300 miles, plus Ford along with other manufacturers have clubbed together to increase the number of fast charging points across Europe, Within the next 3yrs the US will get a Hybrid Mustang with the power of the V8, this will make it's way into Europe, if the market should arise. They will also be launching an Electric Transit and a wifi system for charging cars where you just have to park the car over a charging pad.

As I said when they can get to 500 on a charge I'm in, not before. Living where I do 300 miles range is very restricting and it's unlikely that there will be charging points where I want/need one.
 
I'm already paying £485 for my car so a retrospective change to £120 would be a bonus, although her car is only £20 so that going up would even things up. binning RFL would be best and adding 5p (or so) to a litre seems fair, higher miles pays more, fair?


I have thought this was the fairest way of funding roads in the UK, It would almost eliminate the thousands of cars that are used without RFL and would take another niggling issue away from police to sort out, so they can focus on the un insured twonks that are numerous!
 
If bought new, yes (by the look of the proposal) but I wouldn't buy new - let some idiot take the biggest depreciation hit!
The problem is that if less people buy new cars, the availability of second hand falls, cet par, price increases.
Yes, those that buy new do tend to have the biggest depreciation, there's no denying that.
 
If bought new, yes (by the look of the proposal) but I wouldn't buy new - let some idiot take the biggest depreciation hit!
Even if you bought 2nd hand it would have had to be registered before April otherwise it will still incur £310 a year after the 1st year, until it's 6yrs old. The initial buyer just gets the plus point of paying £0 VED for the 1st year. I've no idea how much they depreciate after the 1st year or so but each year they get closer to needing a battery replacement isn't going to do the value much of a favour anyway, you could end up taking a big hit further down the line.
 
I have thought this was the fairest way of funding roads in the UK
I don't think that anyone would disagree with that, including me (who drives a gas guzzler )
There was a discussion on the radio the other day, ( I can't remember the figures) but it seems there has been quite a dramatic increase in the amount of non-payers since this new system has been in place.

Just as I suspected TBH, if you have something to "show" then its an easy catch for traffic wardens / PCO's or whoever.
Now of course you have to be caught by a ANPR van.
I do over a 1000 miles a week, and if I see one once a month, I think they are hunting in packs :D
 
I don't think that anyone would disagree with that, including me (who drives a gas guzzler )
There was a discussion on the radio the other day, ( I can't remember the figures) but it seems there has been quite a dramatic increase in the amount of non-payers since this new system has been in place.

Just as I suspected TBH, if you have something to "show" then its an easy catch for traffic wardens / PCO's or whoever.
Now of course you have to be caught by a ANPR van.
I do over a 1000 miles a week, and if I see one once a month, I think they are hunting in packs :D
There are static ANPR cameras too.
 
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