NEW VED rules April 2017 what are your thoughts?

[LASTOLITE]

I don't think that anyone would disagree with that, including me (who drives a gas guzzler )
There was a discussion on the radio the other day, ( I can't remember the figures) but it seems there has been quite a dramatic increase in the amount of non-payers since this new system has been in place.

Just as I suspected TBH, if you have something to "show" then its an easy catch for traffic wardens / PCO's or whoever.
Now of course you have to be caught by a ANPR van.
I do over a 1000 miles a week, and if I see one once a month, I think they are hunting in packs

I think most / all traffic police cars have the ANPR as standard, and there are fixed ANPR cams on approach to some cities, Liverpool has them on all major routes in, but not sure if they relay info to cars that could act? It seems the easiest way to collect VED to me and not sure why it hasn't been done already. Maybe its because of pressure from the fuel industry?

For me I dont do anywhere near your mileage but can see there is a massive reduction in police presence on the roads, that can only mean less people are getting caught fro not paying VED. There is also the fact that id a car is on the road and not covered there is the other route of being fined direct from the DVLA for no RFL.

 

[Cobra]

Liverpool has them on all major routes in,

I rarely use motorways or go into large city's but you would have thought that if the patrol cars were fitted with ANPR then the data would be sent to "somewhere" to be actioned.
Or perhaps they aren't really interested in this side of ANPR, and more looking for more specific targets ?

I suspect that latter TBH. I spend a lot of time travelling to and from Norfolk and the surrounding area's, A11 A14 A1 etc. and I do see, more frequently than an ANPR van, a black BMW ( even a Skoda, and a few other makes )
Suddenly appear to have blue lights and go speeding off on a mission. I do however suspect it maybe lunch time

Maybe its because of pressure from the fuel industry?

No idea TBH but I know this is mentioned / has been mentioned for years, and I'm quite surprised that it hasn't been implemented,
as I'm not sure the government would take any notice of the fuel industry, after all its "Just another tax"

 

[Nod]

That's the way they go, I understand - just send a fine by post when an untaxed vehicle is spotted by one of the many ANPR cameras (as you say, most camera equipped police cars are mobile ANPR cars by default.)

 

[Alastair]

I'm already paying £485 for my car so a retrospective change to £120 would be a bonus, although her car is only £20 so that going up would even things up. binning RFL would be best and adding 5p (or so) to a litre seems fair, higher miles pays more, fair?

Not really, binning RFL is an unhelpful policy in that it favours car ownership over usage/need and would promote the most polluting short journeys.

A high RFL for fossil fuel vehicles with low fuel duty would discourage vehicle ownership by people only accumulating a low annual mileage, particularly in towns/cities where NOx/particulate problems are the greatest and drive demand for public transport investment. The school run and intra-city commuting by car would be priced out, reducing congestion and pollution. Some clever maths would be needed to get the right balance to avoid hitting rural drivers too hard in areas without public transport and low density of public amenity, but their usually greater annual mileage would go some way towards mitigating any change in the annual cost of car ownership. Adjustments to allowable mileage rates, benefit in kind and company car tax rates could be to incentivise businesses to reduce harmful emissions by changing vehicle type or managing mileage.

 

[MWHCVT]

Well I think it's fantastic as my tax is currently £500 per year, so to go down to £140 per year is very welcome...I don't expact I'll ever buy a brand new car so will have no effect on me, and what's more if I can afford brand new it mean a serious change in my circumstances so I'll not care about the added cost anyway

 

[LASTOLITE]

Well I think it's fantastic as my tax is currently £500 per year, so to go down to £140 per year is very welcome...I don't expact I'll ever buy a brand new car so will have no effect on me, and what's more if I can afford brand new it mean a serious change in my circumstances so I'll not care about the added cost anyway

I hear you, would be a small price to pay for some for a change of circumstances, No stranger to the scenario allbeit not as dramatic as others I imagine.

Its a first world issue for sure!

 

[nilagin]

Well I think it's fantastic as my tax is currently £500 per year, so to go down to £140 per year is very welcome...

Your tax won't fall to £140, this new VED system is only for new vehicles sold after April this year.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Not really, binning RFL is an unhelpful policy in that it favours car ownership over usage/need and would promote the most polluting short journeys.

Changing VED won't change the journeys I do. Increasing fuel duty might make me think twice about using the car for shorter journeys, but increasing VED wouldn't, I'd just see it as a cash grab by the government. I have the car already, I need to have the car, so the way you say it will work is completely the opposite to how it would actually work in my case.

 

[Alastair]

I have the car already, I need to have the car

If you have a genuine need for a private vehicle then you aren't the target of my suggestion.

Increasing fuel duty would have very little financial effect on most people when it comes to frequent short journeys. There are school run cars that must go a term on a tank.

 

[onomatopoeia]

So, it's a policy aimed at financially crippling people that don't live in cities and large towns with everything in walking distance or with good public transport then? Those in the Westminster bubble, and I include the MP for Brighton in this, seem to think we all live in some public transport utopia where it's as easily accessible and frequent as the underground or buses in zones 1 and 2.

Get out of the centre of big cities and life really isn't like that. Taxation of private vehicles should reflect the reality, not a Westminster pipe-dream.

 

[Alastair]

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[wyx087]

This new VED rule is making PHEV less appealing therefore it is an appealing system.

Diesels are dead for their harmful localised pollution. EV are not ready yet to replace the single family car for long journeys. plug-in hybrid EV is the answer. It allows most people to commute with zero emission while offering long journey capabilities in the single car. Yet this new VED system is making all hybrids less appealing, less incentive for buyers.

There should be an additional band for <50 g/km CO2 emission with more than 25 miles electric only range vehicles, something like £40 per year. Incentive for cars like Golf GTE, 330e, etc. May be an additional band where >80 miles electric only range PHEV get more discount, making series hybrid (i3 REx, Volt) more attractive, urging the EV transition.



I am currently really tempted to purchase a i3 REx, I commute 60 miles a day, so those parallel PHEV with 30 miles range are useless to me. Unfortunately the 4 seat configuration and tall shape made it a no-go for me, I don't want to get blowed about when overtaking lorries.

 

[MWHCVT]

Your tax won't fall to £140, this new VED system is only for new vehicles sold after April this year.

Oh well that's a shame

 

[LongLensPhotography]

So does this mean my 2 litre diesel will stay at £30

Initially, yes. There is sadly nothing to stop them altering the price of the old tier brackets every year to something more closely resembling £140.

I would be happy if the higher ones are revised down. I'd be more than happy to drive home some V8 (ideally V8 diesel) SUV home as a daily driver and pay just £140. There is nothing more repugnant on the road than small and slow "death-trap" cars. Sooner or later we will all drive X5's and F150s, because let's face it - it will make a lot more sense to.

 

[nilagin]

Initially, yes. There is sadly nothing to stop them altering the price of the old tier brackets every year to something more closely resembling £140.

I would be happy if the higher ones are revised down. I'd be more than happy to drive home some V8 (ideally V8 diesel) SUV home as a daily driver and pay just £140. There is nothing more repugnant on the road than small and slow "death-trap" cars. Sooner or later we will all drive X5's and F150s, because let's face it - it will make a lot more sense to.

If it costs less than £40k, it will only be £140 after the 1st year. SUV's tend to be driven slowly around here and block roads anyway, especially when they are too big to overtake a parked car and another car is coming in the opposite direction.
Even the F150 is going hybrid in the next few years. It's electric motor can be used as a generator on a building site.

 

[Mr Bump]

Initially, yes. There is sadly nothing to stop them altering the price of the old tier brackets every year to something more closely resembling £140.

I would be happy if the higher ones are revised down. I'd be more than happy to drive home some V8 (ideally V8 diesel) SUV home as a daily driver and pay just £140. There is nothing more repugnant on the road than small and slow "death-trap" cars. Sooner or later we will all drive X5's and F150s, because let's face it - it will make a lot more sense to.

wow really?
Are you a yank by any chance?

 

[LongLensPhotography]

Even the F150 is going hybrid in the next few years. It's electric motor can be used as a generator on a building site.

They should really start selling one of those here. It will be a huge sales hit at those prices.

 

[Mr Bump]

The approach I see that needs to fair is VED based on pollution and a tax on fuel.
therefore high polluters who only do 200 miles a month in the diesel polluter to school and back pay for the high pollution as well as the rep in his diesel who just pays more.