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Nothing to do with fanboyism, you obviously haven't heard a diesel engine car with a barely restricted exhaust. Even at idle there is a deep, yet unobtrusive burble.Whilst I agree that for the true sound you need to hear it driving under load, and ideally the exhaust has done about 10K miles at least. But hey if it sounds called like that then I can imagine how magical it will become
But come on, you seriously want anyone to belief that your Ford 4 cylinder diesel engine sound like that. Really, honestly? Come on nigalin, I respect your knowledge on engines but that is just daft Ford Fanboyism.
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I watch endurance racing and go to the 6h of SIlverstone / Tourist Trophy race every year (only been to Le Mans once though). It is often won by a diesel powered car, as Audi have campaigned them very effecively in the LMP1 category and I have long been a supporter of the number 7 Audi team. Little restriction is required on such engines as the noise regulations for the cateogry are not strignent, so if there was ever a place to hear one it is there. Going to say that compared to a petrol engine, it does not sound inspiring.
In fact, compared to my 50 year old Imp engine on twin 40 DCOEs under full load at 9000rpm, it doesn't sound good either.
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I went to the Silverstone 6Hrs this year and to be honest other than when under periods of Virtual Safety Car the Audi's didn't sound much different to anything else, but going slow under VSC conditions they certainly sounded rough. SEAT ran diesels in the BTCC a few years back and they didn't sound bad neither,
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Well we have to disagree. And I'm getting a bit worried about your engine knowledge if you truly think a 4 cylinder diesel sounds the same as a v6 petrol. Or even a four cylinder petrol. Most peculiar.
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You are obviously confusing the sound of the engine and the noise that comes out of the exhaust.
I suppose you are now going to tell me a 3 cylinder engine can't sound like a V6.
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As far as backtracks go that is pretty much as weak as I've seen it; but happy to take it
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What backtracking would that be? You assume that all diesels produce the same level of rattle sound. Diesel engines have become quieter over the years, with redesigned combustion chambers, redesigned induction systems, exhaust manifolds, firing order, engine construction, how well the combustion is controlled, addition of turbos etc. The noise that comes out of the back can also be variable, differences in the size of exhaust baffles, the materials used, whether resonator boxes are fitted or not.As far as backtracks go that is pretty much as weak as I've seen it; but happy to take it
Don't assume all diesels will sound alike, just as not all 4 cylinder petrol engines sound alike, V6 engines sound alike, V8's sound alike etc. etc.
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Sure whatever! Your Ford ST TDCI 4 Cylinder diesel sounds exactly like an Mercedes AMG V6 Twin Turbo Petrol. THAT is what you said. Im just not buying it @nilagin and now you start shifting the goal posts. Yes it still just doesn't sound like that at all.
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I haven't shifted any goal posts at all. It was only the fact the car had a TDCi badge on the rear that people were aware that the car was in fact a diesel. I often encountered people who couldn't figure why there ST TDCi's didn't sound anything like mine as well as people surprised to see a ST TDCi badge on the rear and not an ST220 badge.
Read what I wrote again and point out where the goal posts have been changed.
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No need to do that if you already believe you four cylinder ford diesel sounds the same as an AMG. We may as well argue that black is white. It is utterly pointless.
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Admit it your now worried people will think your merc sounds like a modified Mondeo ST TDCi. Don't worry, the chances of both cars being in the same place are fairly remote and I daresay the car will have had the decat removed and cat refitted by the dealer I bought my Focus from. So it won't sound like that anymore.
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Lol no I am not worried about that as it just isn't possible. I am a little concerned about you that you actually seem to believe what you are arguing.
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They have an absolutely wonderful howl don't they. The original 6.3 engines sounded fantastic. The current 4.0TT a bit less so dramatic but still very nice and a fair bit quicker.
What I find interesting is the new technology on those where it's is calm and sedate under 'normal' conditions but when pushed and load is put on them the valves open up and all hell breaks loose.
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Now my old Mondeo wouldn't have made you jump, you'd have heard it coming.
From the evidence in your video, the sound is all too similar, the similar breathing sound, similar burble and rumble, depending on how much I pressed the pedal depended on whether or how much the turbo could be heard spooking back down. I daresay out on the open road and the engines actually under load, they would sound quite different, but as I said, with the video evidence you have presented of it at being revved at standstill, the sound is way too similar, no idea how heavily the merc was being revved, but I'd say it sounded fairly quiet and subdued.
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Indeed you couldn't hear the diesel clatter from the engine as ahem it isn't a diesel 
also no weird noises from an air intake as ahem it is sorted as stock pretty well and no need to mask the diesel clatter of the engine as it isn't a diesel. And then finally the sports exhaust is has variable valves in them off factory linking it back to ontopic as it can be subdued as well as loud. And yes some aftermarket systems can do that as well albeit as far as I know manually operated from the cabin not on demand.
also no weird noises from an air intake as ahem it is sorted as stock pretty well and no need to mask the diesel clatter of the engine as it isn't a diesel. And then finally the sports exhaust is has variable valves in them off factory linking it back to ontopic as it can be subdued as well as loud. And yes some aftermarket systems can do that as well albeit as far as I know manually operated from the cabin not on demand.
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Just stumbled upon this thread .. my 2-year old Audi S3 saloon came with electronic parking and I must say I absolutely love it! The OP indicated that he needed to activate it and de-activate it before driving off. In the case of my own car, I merely pull up to a halt, engage first and pull away, simple as that .. the car does all the thinking and feathering for me.
I also rather like stop/start .. great at traffic lights and, as mine is a manual transmission, I'm delighted to say that the engine always starts quicker than I can depress the clutch and engage gear for the off.
I also rather like stop/start .. great at traffic lights and, as mine is a manual transmission, I'm delighted to say that the engine always starts quicker than I can depress the clutch and engage gear for the off.
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You mean.... you take your foot off the clutch and put the gearbox in neutral at the lights?!?!
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It works slightly different on an auto, no clutch control. I forgot to disable the stop/start before setting off today, the slight delay in taking off, made me miss joining a roundabout smoothly. Plus some silly sod close behind me, nearly went into the back of me.I would love to take a hammer, to the stop/start button
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Pity there is no way to override it .
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I have an automatic with stop/start. It starts instantly when my foot comes off the brake, never felt there was any delay.It works slightly different on an auto, no clutch control. I forgot to disable the stop/start before setting off today, the slight delay in taking off, made me miss joining a roundabout smoothly. Plus some silly sod close behind me, nearly went into the back of me.I would love to take a hammer, to the stop/start button
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But there will be a slight delay, when engine fires up, only a very slight delay, but that little delay makes all the difference. With clutch control, engine is ready to get you into that spot, on a busy roundabout. As I said, the delay is only very slight, but making quick progress, seems to be a little hindered. Plus, it gives me the illusion of having stalled, that probably unnerves possibly...
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The delay isn't as long as it takes to move my foot to the accelerator. I think it may well be your perception.
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Possibly, maybe as I am getting older, and traffic is getting faster
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Often it can depend on how heavy the right foot is. Gently braking often doesn't trigger the stop/start on both my Golf and Mercedes, whilst a slightly heavier version where you come to a full stop does. But likewise a gentle tap of the throttle gets it goes whilst the brake is still applied. Thus allowing for control when you are nearly ready to go. Quite a clever system in its current form. I've not driven a Ford in a while but I'd like to hope it applies similar logic.
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I have noticed that, and also easing the pressure on the brake pedal, the engine fires up again. I think it is just getting into the rhythm..
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it will become second nature soon enough, just like shifting gears with your right foot.
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Left foot on both mine, with the clutch on the left lever, although I have done right foot changing, it was weird!!!
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Used to love changing gear, boring now I drive an auto. Just no fun in it nowCool
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On the majority of modern diesels, you no longer get the old diesel clatter. There maybe a small rattle on initial start up, but that will be the injectors which will go quiet within seconds. Most noisy diesels will be a result worn injectors, over fuelling injectors or something has gone wrong with the mapping calibration. I have no idea what these weird noises are you expect to hear from an air intake, especially on an engine with a turbo. Valves in exhausts are nothing new, have been around for years and you will find oem exhausts on a lot of cars have them including the Fiesta and Focus and I don't mean just the ST and RS models.Indeed you couldn't hear the diesel clatter from the engine as ahem it isn't a diesel
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Naturally Ford does it all once again
Really weird how they do it all and are the best at everything yet totally fail to capture my desires in a car. Well except the Mustang V8 although it sounds like I should just get the Fiesta or Focus diesel and have the same experience in sound, refinement, performance and so on. Sounds like they are the best of the best at everything.
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Naturally Ford does it all once again
You will note I said oem exhausts on a lot of cars, that means other manufacturers as well as Ford.
As for your other responses, all it does is confirm your very limited knowledge on engines. As I said before there are many ways to develop or eradicate the noises engines produce, regardless of whether those engines are petrol or diesel.
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Hence some of the universally acclaimed best Diesel engines like those from BMW or Mercedes or VAG or Ford sound exactly like ahem a diesel. Hence it surprises me so much for the comments that you made coming from you as you actually work with them day in and out. It doesn't make any sense to me.