New 5D MK3 revealed

What I'm wondering is when they talk about a camera being great at handling noise, is this before any noise reduction has taken place or is it also based on how good the in-camera software is?
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
I think those JPEGs are out the camera JPEGs and have noise reduction and sharpening already applied.
Not really possibly to compare those JPEGs with the 5DII as the settings and conversion engine is SO important.
Besides - I don't use out the camera JPEGs so have no experience for making that judgement :)

What I'd like to see is the 5DIII RAW converted to a JPEG with minimal tweaking.
That would be for much better direct comparison with my 5DII images.
But it needs someone who has got the latest ACR installed to do the conversion. LR4 has not yet been upgraded.
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Yes I wasn't talking about the jpegs, if you read what I posted. ;)

You can download the latest camera raw here and do it yourself.

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/cameraraw6-7/
 
petersmart said:
Why has this thread (like so many others) got right away from the original point of the thread which was the 5DMkIII?
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It's the nature of a conversation, which is what a thread on a forum is. Threads go off on tangents. :shrug: How far from the original subject is down to the contributors, and anyone can contribute if they feel they can add to the thread.

petersmart said:
I have no interest in the comparisons of price etc to the USA which ultimately has no real bearing on the price over here
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But some people do, which is why it was brought up. ;)

The price of a camera around the world is of interest, because if the US is paying $1000 (they're not I know btw ;)) when we were expected to pay 2.5x that would be of interest to anyone considering buying. It would not be just a case of that is what we have to pay. As it is the difference is nothing like that, but pricing around the world has to be addressed to see whether we, the UK or Europe, are being treated fairly by a manufacturer.

petersmart said:
nor on the merits of Kerso who, as far as I can see offers an excellent service to all members and has done so for years, so I fail to see why a few members seem to be trying to call his integrity into question.
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The very reason Kerso's integrity was brought into question is why I, amongst others, commented with their experiences in dealing with him. And Kerso's name was mentioned in this thread because he can offer the camera below the RRP.

petersmart said:
If they feel that strongly perhaps they should start a separate thread on that subject and NOT hijack a totally different subject.
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If the question of integrity was not addressed in the the thread it was questioned, then some people may go away with the wrong view, as it is not as likely for people see another thread addressing the issue.

petersmart said:
I feel the mods should close this thread since it is no longer related to the original purpose.
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If all threads were stopped when the original topic is not adhered to, then there would very short threads getting stopped all over the place. Why stop thread anyway? Threads seem to be stopped if they break the rules in some way, and I didn't know not adhering to the original subject is against the rules.:shrug:


grum said:
I do find it a bit funny that I posted High ISO RAW files etc from the camera and no one seems to be interested but we do have several pages on Kerso. :shrug:
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Maybe the ISO performance was not the main interest for upgraders or potential buyers, maybe people missed the post, maybe people are waiting for more head to head comparisons with the camera it replaces before making a comment. :shrug:
 
jonneymendoza said:
Sounds like Kerso is more reliable for warranty? i might take a punt. just afraid of dropping serious money on someone i have never met lol.

Big gamble on my part lol
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No gamble at all friend.


Several members here have purchased successfully from Ian. My 50L was ordered on Fri afternoon and arrived before noon the following Tuesday. I know the source of my new gear from now on. His UK-issued invoices are accepted by canon for warranty purposes too. You can buy with confidence from Ian Kerso :thumbs:


Back OT.

Thanks to DavidSteward for the images taken with the 5D3. The low light handling is truly impressive so as said before I too will be waiting for the price to become a touch more comsumer-friendly.
 
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Houston1863 said:
No gamble at all friend.

Several members here have purchased successfully from Ian. My 50L was ordered on Fri afternoon and arrived before noon the following Tuesday. I know the source of my new gear from now on. His UK-issued invoices are accepted by canon for warranty purposes too. You can buy with confidence from Ian Kerso :thumbs:

Back OT.

Thanks to DavidSteward for the images taken with the 5D3. The low light handling is truly impressive so as said before I too will be waiting for the price to become a touch more comsumer-friendly.
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Cool nice one. Might give ian a go
 
I'm only asking as a potential customer, why no return address and why no VAT is charged?

Like everyone else I'm buying a new body soon, and am after the best deal I can get.

I'm sure everyone is happy but no way would I hand over thousands to a website without these things clear to the purchaser.
 
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Edtog said:
I'm sure everyone is happy but no way would I hand over thousands to a website without these things clear to the purchaser.
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and thats your preogative.

But given his reputation and experiences with him. I would .... and have.

I've bought 3 lenses from kerso and each one has saved me at least £100.
 
menthel said:
That makes me want a D4! ;)
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Does not affect me one bit. Studio shots at high iso are not representative of low light images. There is hardly
Any shadow in the shots.

The D4 is slightly better in some cases as you would expect with the larger pixels but not 3k better lol
 
POAH said:
Does not affect me one bit. Studio shots at high iso are not representative of low light images. There is hardly
Any shadow in the shots.

The D4 is slightly better in some cases as you would expect with the larger pixels but not 3k better lol
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The little chap winking next to the post showed that it was in jest...

I actually clicked on the link, had a look through and couldn't work out what was "stunning". I had hoped to see some real pictures or real subjects rather than the usual techno onanism.
 
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lol, I was looking for some stunning images also!

EDIT: The ISO performance certainly is impressive!
 
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Depends on what you're shooting. If you don't need the better AF or shoot in dark spaces the 5D2 is a good deal. For me the 5D3 looks like a camera I could be happy with for 5 years at least.
 
Edtog said:
How can you have a UK based shop, turn over in excess of the VAT threshold registration and not have to charge VAT to customers?
Would you also buy from a website without an address?

Just curious...
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Puzzles me too......

I know kerso has an excellent reputation, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy from him myself if I weren't VAT registered, BUT I don't think his prices include VAT.

This is off-topic I know but there seem to be an increasing number of these retailers on the web that offer great prices to the non-VAT-registered, and I can't understand how they get away with it!
 
Without knowing the precise setup it's difficult to say but I'm guessing it's down to the place of supply. If his Head Office (business establishment) where the sales actually take place is in the United States and the Scottish location is simply a storage and distribution centre, perhaps being classified as a temporary presence, then I don't think he needs to charge VAT as his place of supply is outside of the UK.

The general rules with VAT and the place of supply is:

You supply services to a business customer - place of supply is where the customer belongs
You supply services to a non-business customer - place of supply is where the supplier belongs
 
gman said:
Without knowing the precise setup it's difficult to say but I'm guessing it's down to the place of supply. If his Head Office (business establishment) where the sales actually take place is in the United States and the Scottish location is simply a storage and distribution centre, perhaps being classified as a temporary presence, then I don't think he needs to charge VAT as his place of supply is outside of the UK.

The general rules with VAT and the place of supply is:

You supply services to a business customer - place of supply is where the customer belongs
You supply services to a non-business customer - place of supply is where the supplier belongs
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At risk of continuing a completely off-topic discussion for which I apologise, you may well be right. To me it looks like a loophole in the VAT regulations which I'm surprised that so many retailers seem able to take advantage of.
 
Why has this thread turned into a Kerso thread? There is a forum for any queries to Ian isn't there? Do what I did and contact Ian himself.

Back on topic, I can't wait for more reviews on the MKIII and especially ones from day to day owners. I really want this camera but will wait a while first.
 
There are some interesting comments and points to other sites/tests on the forum at Luminous Landscape. They seem to be saying that DR wise the MKIII is not much of an improvement over the II and lagging behind the best APS-C's at least at low ISO's.
 
RSMarco said:
Why has this thread turned into a Kerso thread? There is a forum for any queries to Ian isn't there? Do what I did and contact Ian himself.
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ffs. if you bother READING this thread at all you would know it is NOT about Kerso but about the BEST CHEAPEST place to buy the 5dmk3 and in this case from Kerso and.or DigitelRev:bonk:
 
vaizki said:
Depends on what you're shooting. If you don't need the better AF or shoot in dark spaces the 5D2 is a good deal. For me the 5D3 looks like a camera I could be happy with for 5 years at least.
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i shoot everything. street pics, portraits, landscapes and soon to be studio setups liek water drops etc.
 
jonneymendoza said:
ffs. if you bother READING this thread at all you would know it is NOT about Kerso but about the BEST CHEAPEST place to buy the 5dmk3 and in this case from Kerso and.or DigitelRev:bonk:
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Well thanks for your sarcastic reply but the thread title is: 'New 5D MK3 revealed'.

My point was that the last few pages have mainly been about Kerso pricing.

:bonk:
 
I've asked Kerso to post here with the answers, think it's the fairest thing to do?
 
jonneymendoza said:
for a hobbiest, is it best to just go for a 7d/5dmk2 or this?
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Somewhere (perhaps earlier in this thread) it has been suggested that the 5d2 will be reduced in price from an already brilliant £1500 once the 5d3 is available. I think I read that in the US it has already been reduced by $300.

What a bargain a 5d2 at £1300 would be. You know it makes sense......
 
If you crop the mk3 to 1.6 its 14mps now thats close to 7d also if you crop to 1.3 its 17mps so more than a mk4 .
Im starting to find this camera quite intresting .
Rob.
 
jerry12953 said:
What a bargain a 5d2 at £1300 would be. You know it makes sense......
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That's how much they were selling for at Focus on Imaging. So it seems possible?
 
GyRob said:
If you crop the mk3 to 1.6 its 14mps now thats close to 7d also if you crop to 1.3 its 17mps so more than a mk4 .
Im starting to find this camera quite intresting .
Rob.
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That's incorrect. The crop factor is linear, you have to square it to apply it to megapixels. It would actually be 8.6mp at 1.6x crop and 13mp at 1.3x crop.
 
Edtog said:
I've asked Kerso to post here with the answers, think it's the fairest thing to do?
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For prices yes, people here will be interested and it's relevant. :) but the vat thing is non of our business.
 
squishy said:
That's incorrect. The crop factor is linear, you have to square it to apply it to megapixels. It would actually be 8.6mp at 1.6x crop and 13mp at 1.3x crop.
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Correct. A crop factor of 1.4x would exactly halve the image area/pixels (square root of 2).
 
squishy said:
That's incorrect. The crop factor is linear, you have to square it to apply it to megapixels. It would actually be 8.6mp at 1.6x crop and 13mp at 1.3x crop.
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Oh i was thinking it was too good to be true - its not a camera for me then being a birder i need more mps than 8.6 if i cropped .
Will stay with my 7d .

Thanks

Rob.
 
Just decided I want the 5D MKIII in my life.
Not that I need an upgrade cause my 5D MKII has everything I need, those AF points are appealing! Oh my.
 
woof woof said:
There are some interesting comments and points to other sites/tests on the forum at Luminous Landscape. They seem to be saying that DR wise the MKIII is not much of an improvement over the II and lagging behind the best APS-C's at least at low ISO's.
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Yeah I've seen some that, it seems like st low ISOs the Nikons are way better in terms of DR, but at about about 800 ISO and above it evens out. Mainly an issue for people who do a lot of tripod landscapes and don't want to use filters/HDR I suppose. It does look like you can pull up very dark shadows quite impressively even on the crop sensor D7000.
 
I think until it's released into the wild and used by normal people we won't know for sure. There's a lot of intelligent guesswork going on with bias on both sides.
Either way, I think I wan one, just need to let the price drop a little.
 
GyRob said:
Oh i was thinking it was too good to be true - its not a camera for me then being a birder i need more mps than 8.6 if i cropped .
Will stay with my 7d .

Thanks

Rob.
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Maybe the D800 is the one you're after then, full frame and 15MP in cropped mode. :shrug: ;)
 
GyRob said:
Oh i was thinking it was too good to be true - its not a camera for me then being a birder i need more mps than 8.6 if i cropped .
Will stay with my 7d .

Thanks

Rob.
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Or the new 7D Mk2





Might as well start the rumour now ;) :D
 
You mean the 7Dx lol
 
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