Never mind the YN560, how about...........

Cool ! :cool:
But I'll still have a '560 for now (soon ?)
 
Wait, what? What's all this "TTL Grp" nonsense?

I'm guessing it's kind of like YN's version of CLS? 2 groups of independently controlled flashes? One using TTL and one manual power? Can it control both at the same time, or only one at once? (the little light indicates to me that it's only one at once).

I'm confused though. It has what looks like an IR panel and a WiFi antenna. Is it wireless or IR? or both? IR to control TTL and WiFi for manual?

Looks like a promising start. Seems a bit late to be producing it on a 460 though I think, now that they're starting on the 5xx range. Now, a YN-560 that's CLS compatible (as well as all the other stuff the YN560 offers), that would be nice. :)
 
These images came from nowhere on Strobist, didn't they?

I wouldn't mind if it wasn't ttl. I think it may be though. That aerial would indicate it isn't 2.4GHz though, wouldn't it?

Remote radio control of power levels on hotshoes. Suddenly all my guns are wirelessly controlled, just like my Eli's......
 
No, the aeriel would indicate that it *is* 2.4Ghz. It's a WiFi antenna, which operates on 2.4Ghz.

Remote control power levels from the hotshoe is great, I've been doing it with Nikon CLS already for ages, but if you're using multiple flashes, it's no good if you can't control each flash, or groups of flashes' power independently.
 
Kris said:
These images came from nowhere on Strobist, didn't they?

I wouldn't mind if it wasn't ttl. I think it may be though. That aerial would indicate it isn't 2.4GHz though, wouldn't it?

Remote radio control of power levels on hotshoes. Suddenly all my guns are wirelessly controlled, inc my Eli's......
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Yeah, it's an odd one, the x60 model designation usually means it's a manual flashgun, I would have expected it to be the YN469, or indeed to be based on the new 56x chassis. The Tx unit looks like a butchered SU800, so maybe it's just a test mule, either that or someone's been playing with Potatoshop again :suspect:
 
Just because it operates on 2.4GHz doesn't mean that it's 'wifi' in the sense of being compatible with PCs and routers etc.

The frequency selected is pretty much irrelevant to the user.
 
g4gxl said:
Just because it operates on 2.4GHz doesn't mean that it's 'wifi' in the sense of being compatible with PCs and routers etc.
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I didn't say that it was, I said that it operates on 2.4Ghz. :)

g4gxl said:
The frequency selected is pretty much irrelevant to the user.
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Different frequencies have different types of antenna. People have shown this with the RF-602s. Using some of the 433Mhz antenna addons on RF-602 triggers (which are 2.4Ghz) don't work, yet wiring up an antenna off a regular WiFi router does.

2.4Ghz radio controllers for cars, helicopters, boats, etc. use the same antennas that you find on WiFi routers, but they're not compatible with PCs and routers either. :)
 
If its 2.4Ghz it is likely to be a radio signal, similar to that found in modern RC car setups. Dedicated frequency for continuous transmission without any potential for signal interruption.
 
Sorry, course it's 2.4, as in routers. My mind must have been thinking of the older 433MHz mods that came with silly antennas. If the RF602 doesn't 'need' a silly stickyout antenna for a decent working distance, why is there one on this?

I'm assuming the antenna is just for distance, rather than greater capacity for data movement?
 
Yes, it's purely for distance.

You're right, of course, the RF-602 has a ridiculous good range as it is (compared to similarly priced competing products), but you know what those Americans are like, they want to be able to fire speedlights on the opposite side of the Grand Canyon to that from which they're shooting. ;)
 
If the RF602 doesn't 'need' a silly stickyout antenna for a decent working distance, why is there one on this?

I'm assuming the antenna is just for distance
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It looks like a prototype to me. Easy to put a SMA socket on top of the unit and use an aerial from a router.

In practice (for the distances needed in this application) an aerial could be built in to the transmitter (just like it is in laptops and most other 'wifi' devices)
 
david1701 said:
his flickr looks fake so does the back of the flash the tx looks fair real though

tricksy
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If you take a gander at Selbosh's link you'll see different shots, what makes you say the back of the flash looks fake compared to that of the Tx?
 
It looks different because it hasn't had the protective film removed from the plastic panel.

Therefore it must be fake :P
 
Kaouthia said:
It looks different because it hasn't had the protective film removed from the plastic panel.

Therefore it must be fake :P
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:nono:

I was waiting for young David to fall into my carefully crafted trap before pointing that out :lol:
 
It looks like a prototype to me (different to 'fake').

The transmitter case looks like it has used the box from some flash unit with a 'tiltable head' removed - see the two round lumps of plastic sticking out each side.

As mentioned, the aerial is grey, oversized and looks awkward.
 
g4gxl said:
It looks like a prototype to me (different to 'fake').

The transmitter case looks like it has used the box from some flash unit with a 'tiltable head' removed - see the two round lumps of plastic sticking out each side.
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;)

su800.jpg
 
Kaouthia said:
It looks different because it hasn't had the protective film removed from the plastic panel.

Therefore it must be fake :P
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I thought it was fake because of the engerish on the panel - shoulda twigged its yonguou that comes with the territory.

Still doesn't gel that its a 460 body unless they just had a spare to gut
 
Wild guess.

It's a Radio Popper's style hybrid E-TTL radio TX and RX, integrated into a flash system. The red panel on the TX is not an IR master, it's a handy AF assist light?

Sounds brill :) Only the Chinese could do that - by ignoring patents! :eek:

Whatever, very interesting!
 
Flash In The Pan said:
That link is just to Selbosh's blog, doesn't really confirm anything, other than that he can read :naughty:
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Here's something more constructive then :)

From Yongnuo:
YN-460TX and RX wont be launched until at the end of 2010 ( earliest ). Therefore the detail info is not yet ready.
It is wireless TTL remote system, working range up to around 100 meters. Receiver is equipped in the inside of YN460RX speedlite.
ST-E2 is mainly the same as Canon ST-E2.
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They add:
YN460RX,Tx, has TTL, M, Group mode.
It will not be compatible with RF-602.
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When they say "It will not be compatible with RF-602" are they simply saying that the receiver inside the flashes can't be triggered via an RF-602 transmitter on the hotshoe? (which is to be expected really).

Or do they mean it won't even work with the flash mounted on an RF-602 receiver?

If the latter (which I'm assuming is not what they mean), it kinda makes them useless if you already own other speedlights.

The latter option would also impliy that the flash can't be used as a hot-shoe flash, only an off-camera slave with their YN-460TX.

Any mention of optical slave modes? I don't see the familiar S1/S2 lights on the back of that RX, although the "Mode" button is there.
 
Kaouthia said:
When they say "It will not be compatible with RF-602" are they simply saying that the receiver inside the flashes can't be triggered via an RF-602 transmitter on the hotshoe? (which is to be expected really).

Or do they mean it won't even work with the flash mounted on an RF-602 receiver?

If the latter (which I'm assuming is not what they mean), it kinda makes them useless if you already own other speedlights.

The latter option would also impliy that the flash can't be used as a hot-shoe flash, only an off-camera slave with their YN-460TX.

Any mention of optical slave modes? I don't see the familiar S1/S2 lights on the back of that RX, although the "Mode" button is there.
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It won't be compatible with an RF-602 becuase it already is an 'RF-602 with E-TTL' if you see what I mean. You wouldn't want to put an RF-602 on the bottom of a Pocket Wizard, or use an S2 mode.

If you look at them as a copy of an ST-E2 and a 580EX, but using built-in radio insead of IR for the E-TTL code, that's what I think it is. Or as a 580EX with Pocket Wizard E-TTL built in (except that I'm guessing it uses the much simpler Radio Poppers technology).

It sounds pretty brilliant. What E-TTL should be, except that IR is cheaper and doesn't have difficult international radio frequency problems. But the Chinese don't care about that, or potential patent infringements.

If this thing is what I'm guessing it is, and it works, they will absolutely clean up. PW will not be happy. Canon/Nikon will be forced to react. Which could make PW very happy ;)
 
HoppyUK said:
It won't be compatible with an RF-602 becuase it already is an 'RF-602 with E-TTL' if you see what I mean. You wouldn't want to put an RF-602 on the bottom of a Pocket Wizard, or use an S2 mode.
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Yes, but unless I want to use ONLY YN-460RX flashes, I'm kinda screwed. Yes, I would want to put an RF-602 on the bottom of it, because then I could use it with my regular YN-460s, SB-600 and SB-900 flashes. :)

HoppyUK said:
It sounds pretty brilliant.
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I'm getting less enthralled with each post I read.

Fixed zoom head @ 35mm, not compatible with radio triggers, or existing eTTL/iTTL systems, meaning it stands all on its own as a system. It's probably great if you currently do not own *any* speedlights and are looking into a cheap all-in-one solution, but if you want to add to an existing speedlight setup, not all that good.

If it were in a YN-560 flash, with zoomable head, more than twice the power output of the YN-460II, repeat flash, etc, etc. Then I might be a little more impressed.

HoppyUK said:
If this thing is what I'm guessing it is, and it works, they will absolutely clean up. PW will not be happy. Canon/Nikon will be forced to react. Which could make PW very happy ;)
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That's the only positive thing I can see about this. Forcing Canon & Nikon to wake up and go radio.
 
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