NASA bomb the moon... today

I like how NASA have to crash things to find water on the moon, whereas the ISRO (Indian space programme) managed to find water without touching the surface.

Reminds me of the story about Americans spending millions developing a pen that could write in space, whereas the Russians just used pencils.
 
KayJay said:
I like how NASA have to crash things to find water on the moon, whereas the ISRO (Indian space programme) managed to find water without touching the surface.

Reminds me of the story about Americans spending millions developing a pen that could write in space, whereas the Russians just used pencils.
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<clap clap clap>

Good point sir!
 
KayJay said:
I like how NASA have to crash things to find water on the moon, whereas the ISRO (Indian space programme) managed to find water without touching the surface.
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but this was a mission to find out if the moon had lots of water as ice underground at the poles
 
Well I dont know if anyone has seen the coverage but it certainly went off with a ....................plop:lol:
 
Sure, but the Indian mission did touch the surface... and NASA had instruments aboard that mission too.

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I presume thats the mission you were referring too?

James
 
After all that it turns out they weren't trying to hit the moon at all, the rockets were actually aimed at a Taliban enclave in Afghanistan - and missed :naughty:
 
Finding water?
I thought it was all a giant cheese mining operation ;)

Seriously though, although I'm all in favour of scientific advancement, I do question the benefits that will be derived from this and whether it was a wise use of an obscene amount of cash.

Even if it establishes that there is water present on the moon, our technology is nowhere near a level to be able to make use of this knowledge in the immediate future.
With the current economic situation and other problems closer to home couldn't this money have been put to better use elsewhere?

And if we're talking about scientific advancement shouldn't we walk before we can run. There are so many things on our own planet that we don't fully understand yet. . .
 
SarahLee said:
Even if it establishes that there is water present on the moon, our technology is nowhere near a level to be able to make use of this knowledge in the immediate future.
With the current economic situation and other problems closer to home couldn't this money have been put to better use elsewhere?
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why ?
 
The Moon...what is it....?
A lump of rock, dirt and maybe a bit of ice...lovely...can I visit it? Will I realistically ever have that opportunity?
Can I stoll across the Sea of Tranquility and admire the view? Smell the clean, fresh air?
No...because there isn't any!

Personally I can think of no better place to throw every single item of garbage, waste, nuclear or otherwise that this planet produces, where it won't contaminate our water, soil and air which we actually need to survive...

Here where we do live, breathe, walk and talk...

Who lives on the moon?

No-one...
So who gives a flying fark about what happens up there? I mean get your priorities straight - pollution from waste here on earth is killing us, slowly, but surely...no matter how much junk ends up on the moon it won't make any difference to us down here...apart from a positive one, by removing it.
 
yep sounds like a perfect solution :( And when the moons got all the resources on it because we FAILED to reuse them will we be mining our junk on the moon as we will have to on rubbish dumps in the not to distant future

our planet CANNOT continue to give us resources at the rate that it is doing, Fact.

We need to learn to adiquately use those resources for lengther reasons, i.e making everyone a really nice coffee pot they can lug back and forth to the supermarket rather than individual pots you buy once a week.

Oh and of course what happens when the moon fills up? we going to start dumping on mars yet? how about we just fill a rocket and launch our crap into space?

What a novel, beautiful and evolutionary brilliant idea...

Personally i think turning our moon NUCLEAR is perhaps the very very worst idea, doesnt that sound like a bit of a time bomb? who knows what sort of stuff we would be messing with

Plus there are religious implications as we have seen, and similar to the Australia government wanting to buy all the world nuclear waste and bury it in the desert because its 'unused' even though the aboriginals pray there, people would revolt against a moon dumping ground

we need to start DEAL with our rubbish, not just brushing it under the carpet.

<Fights the wish to put in a pun about the above sentiment and the British Army>
 
In the nicest possible way...you really make me laugh...Fill the Moon up? Maybe in 20 million years...

Rubbish is rubbish - that which can be recycled economically and effectively already is being...the remainder is waste...get rid of it.
And to countries that cannot afford to recycle - well who pays for that? The developed countries? You, Me?
My taxes are high enough already thanks very much - I effectively work three months of every year for nothing to pay for the services I currently enjoy...I think that's more than enough...

Nuclear waste is just that...waste - it can't be recycled or used for anything else...it sits there and glows - despite what Gerry Anderson will have you believe it can't just spontaneously explode...lol

And apart from that waste it's still the cleanest, safest and most sustainable form of energy production...anyone in the South of England is already using nuclear power - we buy it from the French who have such a surplus that they can ship it to other countries to fund future development of the industry...

It's not like the stone-age reactors in Chernobyl, you know...

Use of rescources and waste disposal are seperate though arguably linked themes - yes, the world's resources are finite - but the only solution is massive and drastic population control...but where to start?
Who gets to decide who can and who cannot breed?
Who gets to be in that elite group that chooses whose gene pool continues...?

nahhh... the moon is a sterile rock - throw the empies out there and have done with it - there'll be better air to breathe down here as a result - know how much methane is generated by land-fill sites??? Too bloody much.

I would tell you to go there and hug a tree, but there aren't any growing there are there?
 
it this attitude of sweeping things away that i cannot STAND! its so obvious from someone who has been trained by the military...

i just cannot GO there though as i like this forum and i dont want to upset anyone.

basically there are other ways of dealing with things than rileying them all up, getting em confusing and sweeping all the 'debris' away so we can 'start again'

we should be working with what we go and factoring waste into our analysis of an energy source and what it can do

sending our crap into space is just nonsense it really is, every religious sect in the world would have something to say about it.

As for the breeding issue, that can be dealt with through EDUCATION and nothing else, you really think that women in Africa would be having a child a year if they knew how to predict their ovulation cycle? if they knew just the INFORMATION required to prevent themselves from having children they cant feed and most of which end up dying anyway.

Not everything has to be a case of

'remove ALL The debris and junk, just stick it on the moon out of eyesight theres a good chap'

'sterilise all those who arent good enough'

'turn over this government what what and we can go and control them instead'

there are OTHER methods of dealing with things, this is just the produce of ONE type of economic thinking, unfortunatly that thinking has been taught to our military, our children and our polliticians and guess what

It Aint Working

we are NOT recycling everything we can or landfill would not still be collecting peoples rubbish every week, fact is if you recycle, you dont have to put stuff into landfill!

we have recycling processes for most things now.
 
Riiight...Maybe on 'Planet Feeb'...but in the real world...?

Take issue with my profession once more (and assume that it's in any way connected with my views) and I'll become very unhappy with you... you've been warned.

Experience has shaped my viewpoint and in my experience people are selfish, cruel and ignorant - even the educated ones - the remainder are hopelessly uninformed or just plain deluded. Yes, I'm looking at you now, Feeb.

People in Africa breed prodigiously because they cannot afford proper birth-control - I've been there and seen it for myself...there's no other reason.
They are well-educated for the most part - many to a higher standard than you can imagine - most people I come across in Africa speak at least three languages - their tribal dialect, the local official language and one other: usually French or English, depending on which country colonised them in the past... I only speak English properly, as well as a few phrases of Russian, French and Arabic...
But this high childbirth rate is offset against high mortality rates throughout much of sub-saharan Africa mostly caused by Aids/HIV and malaria (which by the way we'd largely eradicated from many African countries before they gained independence from thier former Colonial status...funny old thing, eh?)...
Child mortality is still higher than anywhere else in the world due in part to Western pharmaceutical companies witholding cheaper generic medicines and forcing those countries' health services to buy more expensive branded products, and partly because of corruption and mismanagement by African Government agencies...again since independence those countries' spiral into anarchy and corruption is well-documented and not mere speculation or racist drum-banging on my part.

History has shown that we (humans) are incapable of managing our own affairs effectively - we as a race just don't care enough to cut back on our own comforts...we always assume that someone else will shoulder the burden...well wake up - it aint gonna happen...Never...not in my lifetime and not in my kids' or grand-kids' lifetimes...
Who are we to dictate to China, Pakistan, India et al - the counties with the biggest growth-rate in other words - that they have to endure a lower stadard of living because we in the West have overdone things on the World resources side of things?
Who are we to tell them thay can't have cheap electricity, refrigerators, cars and cable TV?

It's going to get worse and until you decide that YOU will forgo those things, no-one else is going to either.

You have yet to put forward any convincing ecological argument for not shipping waste to the moon...because there is none!
Just because you don't like it...? Well that's just too bad...
 
i am 25 - i am in a steady relationship and have been for five years - i do not use any contraception other than my mind

i have not once become pregnant, had a mis-hap or been worried about missing my period

that is the education i am talking about and it is not a widely known thing anywhere, regardless of the country, fortunatly in this country we have condoms and the pill and other lovelies to keep our population down but in places that is not avaliable, or for those whose religion teaches not to use contraception

the simple ability to read your own ovulation cycle is a brilliant method of birth control.

I am not talking about education as in reading languages, or learning maths, i am talking about knowing your body. Something that doesnt happen in this country either.

I do not appreciate the 'tree hugger' statements, i have a mind and a brain and i research LOTS of stuff, it might come across differently to your research and it might be different to what you think but i always make the effort to learn about what i am interested in and so many others dont bother.

any more insinuations towards me gaining my information from hugging trees or meditating and i WILL get angry - you have been warned.


History is to be learned from, not to be repeated and i find it very hard to accept this attitude of 'oh it will never get better so who am i to try?'

all i can tell you is that there are other ways of doing things, there will have to be and wether its because we run out of oil and cant get access to those things or if we choose to help ourselves is irrelevant, it IS happening, like it or lump it.

Again, not going to go into dicatorships, economics and the west vs the east because of your position and my thoughts on the matter.
 
to be clear, i use science to aid my birth control NOT some weird hippy meditation ritual

its all very scientific and as you can see it works very well

now can i count on my hand how many friends of mine in the last five years have got pregnant on the pill... hmmm
 
Come back and talk to me when you have a clue as to how things work in the real world, not in your cotton-wool insulated bubble...
 
im pleased this topic hasn't landed the BAN SLAPPER on anyone! lol..

I can see both side of this argument.. but, i think the only real use the moon has to offer is as a launch pad for deep space exploring.. but it would take sooo long to reach anywhere outside of our own galaxy its not even worth thinking of, the earth would be dead by the time we reach anywhere! even if we DID get to the nearest populated system, or anywhere near anything remotely interesting, it would take the same amount of time to get back, in which case the earth will be dead.. that is assuming all the global warming stuff is for real and not just part of its normal cycle.

If they find a way to realistically get out to the outer reaches AND come back again, the technology required wouldn't need the moon to lift off from anyway... i say send the crap there.. the time it MAY give us by slowing down the greenhouse gas accumulation might be enough time for the boffins to figure out a better way... that is if IRAN, CHINA and NORTH KOREA haven't blown us to bits in the mean time.. :p


Keep it nice now guys.. i know it can be quite an emotive subject, but were all friends here.. :thumbs:
 
well obviously not - clearly its acceptable to rubbish my ideas because they dont quite match what Arkady has to say on the matter

i think its disgraceful, if your going to rubbish someone elses thoughts the least you can do is offer a valid reason why.

Fact is there is no valid reason to rubbish my ideas, they are just different thats all

i believe the moon is more than a rubbish dump - shame on me!

I believe humankind Can and Will be made responsible for their own actions. again, shame on me

I believe in a more holistic view on birth control than necking a pill once a day.

arent i just the most horrid person in the world :(
 
feeb said:
the simple ability to read your own ovulation cycle is a brilliant method of birth control.
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Do you honestly expect people to take you seriously with a ridiculous comment like that?
 
wow, it seems like some people would get upset if someone dug a hole in a beach that they didn't own...

anyway...

you would not be where you are without scientific progression. think of it this way: we throw something at the moon and discover something. great ! we cant do anything with it but it gets people thinking and working on equipment/processes so we can. i mean, people looked at a cow and went "i wonder if i could drink what comes out of that ?" rather than just ignoring it.

regardless of whether we can do anything with our findings NOW is irrelevant, because it will assist and pave the way for the design and production of lifestyle items we will take for granted in the coming decades.

i'm sitting on the scientific side of the fence - the sugar coated fairy tale side of the fence is looking a bit empty :P
 
How much will it cost to blast the junk safely off the planet?

Send it off into deep space and we're hopefully not spoiling anyone's picnic and saddling our lazy grandchildren with more than they can be bothered with, but the blue touchpaper stage and immediately after could suffer a cock-up and leave a nasty whiff in the air.
 
KayJay said:
Do you honestly expect people to take you seriously with a ridiculous comment like that?
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i am quite serious, i havent made it up for the internet - females ovulate for a few days a month, only one week of that month can you physically get pregnant

i just know when that week is and i abstain

and it works - honestly

and i'm not the only person in the world obvious

if you can open your mind past the point where you believe a pill or a product is the only way to stop something happening, it really makes a whole lot of sense :)
 
feeb said:
i am quite serious, i havent made it up for the internet - females ovulate for a few days a month, only one week of that month can you physically get pregnant

i just know when that week is and i abstain

and it works - honestly

and i'm not the only person in the world obvious

if you can open your mind past the point where you believe a pill or a product is the only way to stop something happening, it really makes a whole lot of sense :)
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You know that human sperm can live in the body for up to and over a week right? I'm not saying that the pill is the end all and be all of contraception. I'm just saying that putting all your eggs in one basket (forgive the pun) is a good idea. I also don't think you should be dismissing those that use the pill as a method of contraception. There are probably people out there with huge sexual appetites and for whom the pill combined with a condom perhaps would be the safest route for them. Also, a lot of people have irregular cycles. How are they to predict when it's safe for them to have sex. I'm amazed that you haven't become pregnant yet.
 
photon said:
How much will it cost to blast the junk safely off the planet?

Send it off into deep space and we're hopefully not spoiling anyone's picnic and saddling our lazy grandchildren with more than they can be bothered with, but the blue touchpaper stage and immediately after could suffer a cock-up and leave a nasty whiff in the air.
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:O didn't that have grave ramifications in New New York ?!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Big_Piece_of_Garbage
 
BTW. This month there is a special edition of National Geographic called 'State of the Earth 2010'. It's amazingly informative about how we as a species are treating this planet. Some stats

23% of global energy is used by the United States, which only has 5% of the world's population.

If everyone consumed like the Americans, we'd need 5.4 Earths to sustain us. If we consumed like India we'd only need 0.4 Earths.

27% of food available for consumption in the United States is discarded. 20 million people could be fed each day if 25% of discarded U.S. food was recovered. 17% of garbage sent to US landfills is food scraps.
 
hey, lets kill 2 birds with 1 stone and put the USA on the moon. then they can do all the experiments they want, while leaving us folk on t'Earth to continue normally.

(can you tell i'm not taking this seriously at all ?)
 
recrudesce said:
hey, lets kill 2 birds with 1 stone and put the USA on the moon. then they can do all the experiments they want, while leaving us folk on t'Earth to continue normally.

(can you tell i'm not taking this seriously at all ?)
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Looking at my previous post that wouldn't be such a bad idea. *tongue in cheek*
 
KayJay said:
You know that human sperm can live in the body for up to and over a week right? I'm not saying that the pill is the end all and be all of contraception. I'm just saying that putting all your eggs in one basket (forgive the pun) is a good idea. I also don't think you should be dismissing those that use the pill as a method of contraception. There are probably people out there with huge sexual appetites and for whom the pill combined with a condom perhaps would be the safest route for them. Also, a lot of people have irregular cycles. How are they to predict when it's safe for them to have sex. I'm amazed that you haven't become pregnant yet.
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i dont have an irregular cycle and i wasnt suggesting that this method works with everyone - but neither is the pill 100% or even condoms which are allergic to lots of people.

Point is, in a situation (like the small countries in Africa) where there is no choice, a simple lesson in ovulation could well reduce the number of unneccessary pregnancies

as people got to know their bodies more, that would be strengthened

i am not advocating it as the be all and end all of contraception, but when it works (like it doesnt for me) or when its the only option, why not?
 
why has this descended into a talk about man milk ? :|
 
your quite right Recrudesce i am stepping away from this conversation now - its hard to talk to those who arent prepared to see beyond the conventional system

perhaps it will be different in a few years :)
 
recrudesce said:
why has this descended into a talk about man milk ? :|
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I'm still troubled by a vision of our ancestors creeping up on a cow for a suck.

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Don't people have large families so they can avoid taking out a pension plan? Like the Jacksons and, for balance, the Osmonds?
 
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