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If they are going to do things like that why can they not make it big enough so that we all can watch.
 
arclight said:
If they are going to do things like that why can they not make it big enough so that we all can watch.
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It ought to be visible, just about, if you've got a decent telescope... The problem is, the moon is going to be very nearly scraping the western horizon when the LCROSS impactor hits, so unless you have a very clear western horizon and decent sky conditions, from the UK you can pretty much forget any chance of seeing it.
 
In a strange way, I would love this to **** up and blow half the moon apart.

Quotes like " we never factored in that it could have been hollow" would make me **** my pants.
 
gazedd said:
In a strange way, I would love this to **** up and blow half the moon apart.
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And then good old planet earth be totally ****ed.
I don't see any pleasure in that.

feeb I see your point.
As to why these boffins need to know why there is evidence of water is way beyond me.
 
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Erm, the article was written in June - and it never made the news ?? that's bad. Some of the people that commented on it worrying about catastrophic shifts in the moon's orbit can sleep better tomorrow hopefully. Bit worrying that someone somewhere thought this was a great idea !!
 
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jgs001 said:
It ought to be visible, just about, if you've got a decent telescope... The problem is, the moon is going to be very nearly scraping the western horizon when the LCROSS impactor hits, so unless you have a very clear western horizon and decent sky conditions, from the UK you can pretty much forget any chance of seeing it.
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That rules me out.
In any case the weather is always socked in when there is anything up there of interest.
 
Yeah, I know what you mean... no western horizon and normally rubbish weather... I'm not even sure the astro gear I have has the resolution to see the plume anyway... The reckoning is you want at least a 10" aperture scope and high magnification to spot something erupting maybe to 30 miles above the surface of the crater.

By Bomb... this is dropping a spent rocket body into the crater, so it's just the impact... no explosives, and if you look at the moon... you'll see that's happened a huge amount and with far more force over the years than this could ever manage.
 
yoby said:
Erm, the article was written in June - and it never made the news ?? that's bad. Some of the people that commented on it worrying about catastrophic shifts in the moon's orbit can sleep better tomorrow hopefully. Bit worrying that someone somewhere thought this was a great idea !!
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If your worried about a teeny weeny NASA probe blasting a little bit of hopefully ice from the moon, you must have been s**ing yourself thinking about all the meteorites that have made the craters on the moon.

It's not even the first time it's been done. India planted its flag firmly in the lunar soil on November 14, 2008, when its Chandrayan-1 orbiter fired its Moon Impact Probe onto Earth's natural satellite.

How can people say it's not been in the news, you must read and watch different stuff from me, as I've know about this for months.

This is just another attempt to confirm there is water/ice on the moon, which is now a near certainty after the Indian probe found tiny amounts of water in the soil
 
Here's a case in point...
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The main crater here... Clavius, centre of the image is 136 miles across... That was one titanic impact that would have caused that... so hard it punched through the crust and the hole filled with lava. Since then numerous other impacts have happened as can be seen by the line of craters marching across it. One teeny rocket body, dropped from orbit is not going to hit with anything like that force.
 
****!

I hope it doesnt squash Mr Spoon :(
 
How can you be worried, this is part of the groundwork to a potential permanent manned moon base which is a magnificent start, the next 50-100 years is gonna have some really interesting science done
 
whiteflyer said:
SNIP......If your worried about a teeny weeny NASA probe blasting a little bit of hopefully ice from the moon, you must have been s**ing yourself thinking about all the meteorites that have made the craters on the moon.

This is just another attempt to confirm there is water/ice on the moon, which is now a near certainty after the Indian probe found tiny amounts of water in the soil....SNIP
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I guess my initial post was a bit ambiguous, there were comments against the story on the new scientist site about the moon shifting orbit, and my reference to that was more than a little tongue in cheek.

However, I'm still not sure how this is a good idea? - The sheer cost of the operation to prove that there may once have been, or may still be a little water on the moon is astronomical. the benefit of proving that there once was, or could be water on the moon is pretty much negligable in terms of usefulness so I don't get it :shrug:.

Before I'm accused of being a luddite, I'm completely comfortable with progress, science and pushing the boundaries of what we know. It's the cost vs benefit I'm struggling with, especially in times of strife.

News wise, It definitely hadsn't been mentioned on Sky Sports :)
 
david1701 said:
How can you be worried, this is part of the groundwork to a potential permanent manned moon base which is a magnificent start, the next 50-100 years is gonna have some really interesting science done
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Gotta agree with you David. If there is water on the moon, then the cost of maintaining a base will be very significantly reduced, as water won't need to be transported to the moon.
 
They arent aiming to 'just make a big hole' there are 2 stages, the bomb and the follower. The bomb will hit the moon and will create a ploom of dust, the follower will then photograph and analyse the ploom before it too hits the face of the moon.

Analysing the craters already there probably has been done, but they may well have top layers of dust/moon particles so it makes analysing it very difficult.

James
 
I personally get a bit of a glow everytime nasa blow something up or learn something new I think we should be out there just that it takes time and we will be eventually
 
What worries me is what these people feel they have ownership of - regardless of what flag, bit of paper or, in this case, country wide ego trip you might have

YOU DO NOT OWN THE MOON, IT BELONGS TO ALL OF US

so no i dont think its right, its bloody horrid that they can bomb the moon without even consulting anyone else in the world :(

The moon is a massive part of life on this planet, as a race we should make decisions like this or not at all


I love the moon, she has a deep impact on my life, i am sad that today she will recieve a dent (however small) from us - i dont like it at all

Oh and if we were less inclined to bomb, destroy and torture our way to any new advancement, i would probably trust them alot more going up into space too

as it is, if we got spacebound, we would kill all in our path :(
 
it belongs to all or none, depends on how you look at it

i believe it belongs to all :)

there is certainly no middle ground though, not unless we elect a Moon government
 
feeb said:
YOU DO NOT OWN THE MOON, IT BELONGS TO ALL OF US
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No it doesnt, we're just a speck of oversized bacteria living on a rock called Earth. Unless you can fly up there and arrange a sit down protest I suspect there is b****r all you can do about it.
 
Its called "advancement in science"

If we didnt do things like this all the time, you wouldnt be sat behind your multithreaded processing machine sending binary information over fibre optics to a hugely decentralised database that is the internet, nor would you have your iphones, microwaves cars etc etc etc....

I love it when people with less than 0% knowledge on the subject or the huge technicals / reasoning behind it pipe up and have a good ol winge about how wrong it is....

Keyboard warriors and soapbox loudmouths make me laugh, surrounded by their "modern technologies" and designer clothes made in a sweathouse in china ;)
 
david1701 said:
I personally get a bit of a glow everytime nasa blow something up or learn something new I think we should be out there just that it takes time and we will be eventually
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like the Challenger shuttle? :bonk:

:suspect:
 
feeb read a book or go away seriously the moon doesn't care its rocks the clangers wasn't a documentary I couldn't cope with an introverted world where people weren't working to do something newer and better or go somewhere newer and better tbh if that happens I think we might as well nuke ourselves
 
jamesoliverstone said:
Its called "advancement in science"

If we didnt do things like this all the time, you wouldnt be sat behind your multithreaded processing machine sending binary information over fibre optics to a hugely decentralised database that is the internet, nor would you have your iphones, microwaves cars etc etc etc....

I love it when people with less than 0% knowledge on the subject or the huge technicals / reasoning behind it pipe up and have a good ol winge about how wrong it is....

Keyboard warriors and soapbox loudmouths make me laugh, surrounded by their "modern technologies" and designer clothes made in a sweathouse in china ;)
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:D - Don't mess about, get off that fence !

I for one happily admit to using wonders of modern technology to go about both my work and leisure activities (although I don't own any designer clobber - mine were all made in Indian sweathouses for Primark). I have no scientific qualifications whatsoever and haven't a clue how an H on my keyboard gets converted into 0's and 1's to be transmitted and decoded somewhere else. I'm happy to sit here typing, knowing only that it works.

Following your thought provoking comments however, I realsised that I do happen to have an opinion on this, and my knowledge of it is indeed a little shabby, to that end I would be happy to have someone explain the 'Huge Technicals and Reasoning' behind this little experiment with particular focus on why it's actually worth spending all that money to see whether there is or was any water there.

Oh, and I know my maths is a bit poor too so can someone explain what less than 0% is in real terms :shrug:
 
yoby said:
:D - Don't mess about, get off that fence !

I for one happily admit to using wonders of modern technology to go about both my work and leisure activities (although I don't own any designer clobber - mine were all made in Indian sweathouses for Primark). I have no scientific qualifications whatsoever and haven't a clue how an H on my keyboard gets converted into 0's and 1's to be transmitted and decoded somewhere else. I'm happy to sit here typing, knowing only that it works.

Following your thought provoking comments however, I realsised that I do happen to have an opinion on this, and my knowledge of it is indeed a little shabby, to that end I would be happy to have someone explain the 'Huge Technicals and Reasoning' behind this little experiment with particular focus on why it's actually worth spending all that money to see whether there is or was any water there.

Oh, and I know my maths is a bit poor too so can someone explain what less than 0% is in real terms :shrug:
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The idea behind the test is to prove or disprove that water exists on the moon in usable quantities, if it does then a potential moonbase as has been on the NASA to do list since Apollo gets a whole load more pheasable, as given power you can extract water from ice to use as water and to break down with electrolysis to give oxygen to breathe and hydrogen. If water and oxygen can be found on the moon then the amount of shipping required drops drastically especially considering you can grow stuff in greenhouses up there.

oh and less than a 0% chance means impossible which is untrue in the statistical models of the universe we use everything is between approx 0% and approx 100% or less accurately between 0.00000000000001% and 99.9999999999999%
 
i still think they are trying to kill the moon bugs that live there.

;)

Nuke em! Nuke em all!!!
 
yoby said:
Oh, and I know my maths is a bit poor too so can someone explain what less than 0% is in real terms :shrug:
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Less than 0% knowledge is when someone believes something that is wrong such as:

how an H on my keyboard gets converted into 0's and 1's to be transmitted and decoded somewhere else. I'm happy to sit here typing, knowing only that it works.

I have never ever seen a 0 or a 1 transmitted anywhere :D
 
i cant see the point, although i am interested in the subject. even if the prove there is water there!!! its no good to use. it will have so much radiation that "brita" could never filter it out. as far as greenhouses go..... solar winds/radition will sort that out.

A damn good waste of money, time and resources
 
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