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women can go to jail for doing exactly that (driving). Fancy a go?
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women can go to jail for doing exactly that (driving). Fancy a go?
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HTH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
How does Islam fit into this. You mentioned Black people/homosexuality. I see, how, other in your world how that has anything to do with religion and terrorism.
What I actually said is Burkhas were banned as a lot of French people felt uneasy about them and the plausible arguments regarding national security, promoting a secular society - alo of which Burkha wearing doesn't promote
Can you also please provide statistics on how many threads I start in relation to how many others I post on? It's a bold assertion, back it up with fact. Google may help you, or even the forums search tool.
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I don't think so bright boy.
But keep driving too fast past those dastardly money-grabbing cameras, then give me a shout when you need a lift
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Right, @ST4 and @big soft moose - you are both getting just a bit too pointed and personal, you both know the rules and both are verging dangerously close to trollish behaviour, you are certainly poking each other with pointy sticks. So, either get your points back on to more general points, instead of point scoring, or perhaps use the ignore function. Either way, enough thankyou.
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Ignorant and predjudiced people are often fearful of people wearing burkhas (and generally people who dress different - it wasnt that long ago that a crowd of halfwits beat up a budhist monk because , well he dresses funny innit so he must be one of those muslims innit ), Ignorant and predjudiced people are also nervous of all sorts of other things, but should we ban all those things just because people are (wrongly)fearful of them ?
I didnt see any plausible arguments - just that people can't see the face of someone wearing one , which as i said also applies to crash helmets, blaclavas, scarves etc .. ie as an argument it makes no sense at all
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There are a section of Islam which does not allow the communication between Islamic women and Men.
The place I used to work for had a number of Muslim employees both Male and Female, one of the females was an all singing all dancing burkha wearing female employee...
Her terms of employment were as follows:
She was not allowed to be spoken to by anyone other than another female.
If anyone needed to speak to her they had to approach her through a nominated female colleague, who then acted as a mediator
She was not permitted to be in the room with other men.
She was taken into a room everyday to confirm her identity by a fellow female employee. (needed Home Office security clearance to work there).
and before someone says "surely she would not be allowed to work"......
Taken from islamic advice from the Qu'ran.
It is permissible for a woman to go out of her house for work, but that is subject to certain conditions. If they are met, it is permissible for her to go out. They are:
- That she needs to work in order to acquire the money she needs, as in your case.
- The work should be suited to the nature of woman, such as medicine, nursing, teaching, sewing, and so on.
- The work should be in a place that is only for women, and there should be no mixing with non-mahram men.
- Whilst at work she should observe complete shar’i hijab.
- Her work should not lead to her travelling without a mahram.
- Her going out to work should not involve committing any haraam action, such as being alone with the driver, or wearing perfume where non-mahrams can smell it.
- That should not lead to her neglecting things that are more essential for her, such as looking after her house, husband and children.
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Will do Yv - though i do have to say that its a distinct double standard that any time anyone is even vaguely critical of steve then thats an unwarranted personal attack , but its fine for him to repeatedly call me a troll and alledge everything that I post comes from google (which it doesnt btw - I can't help it if i'm well read and educated), and indeed for various other posters to do likewise and for those comments to go unmoderated even when the posts are reported.
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Indeed but thats in the work place, not in public ... a fundamentalist islamic woman travelling in public will usually be chaperoned by her husband or a male relative, but if that isnt practical (as in the case of widows or unmarried women with no male relatives) she is permitted to speak to men so long as she does so 'modestly' and remains in full public sight
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My comment applies equally to both of you in relation to this specific thread, so please don't play victim Pete, it is rather unbecoming. Now move on please.
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One question...
Why would anyone need to take her to another room to establish her identity?
The hijab is very different to a burkah and the face is very visible at all times.
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I have to admit that I find the whole scenario kinda crazy.
Sure equal rights for women and any other so called minority group ( Sorry
) But that does seem to be taking everything to the extreme, the other way, to me.
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It was the one with the little slit, where you can only see their eyes...which ever one that is
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I have to admit that I find the whole scenario kinda crazy.
Sure equal rights for women and any other so called minority group ( Sorry
But that does seem to be taking everything to the extreme, the other way, to me.
It was bloody ridiculous.... she had her own tea room where she could eat and other muslim ladies used to go into talk to her during lunch.......
and it took about a half hour every time she had to go to a different area, as they had to find a nominated female that was free to accompany her.......
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Well that is in no way called for under Islam....it's a personal, or spousal choice.
Her employer should have strapped a pair on.
The nominated female bit makes me laugh too.
It's no more acceptable to extremists for two muslim women to have un chaperoned dealings with non family member men than it is for one.
Some employers /organisations will do anything in fear of offending.
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They both didn't deal with a man...
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If i wanted a communications update from the Burkha wearer, I had to ask the other muslim woman (non wearer of any head dress and also quite openingly came with us to work parties even though she didn't drink alcohol) to go speak to her and request the info.....she then had to come back to my desk and relay the information or give me the paper work.......
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It sounds like the Niqab.
As far as I am concerned, and the following article bears out my suspicions, it is a matter of choice.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rated-and-no-law-will-stop-me-from-wearing-it
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The employer was soft to the extreme.
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I am shocked, and I totally agree with Ruth, your employer should have taken a stand against it.
Was she a UK convert to Islam (we know one who has gone "full burkha" - she is a total nightmare), or did she come from Saudi or the like?
If the employer had carried out a capability study on her, then she could have been sacked IMO.
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Means nothing tbh.
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getting the thread back on track it was bloody cold down the beach today got some good pics of sanderlings ,turnstones ,curlews and snow buntings ,lots of dogs about and owners that should be shot ,a few cyclists but i think it was to cold for them ,whats this got to do with the thread you might ask ,well it was that bitingly cold in liverpool bay that i had to wear a balaclava . hope i'm not classed as a jihadi now 
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getting the thread back on track it was bloody cold down the beach today got some good pics of sanderlings ,turnstones ,curlews and snow buntings ,lots of dogs about and owners that should be shot ,a few cyclists but i think it was to cold for them ,whats this got to do with the thread you might ask ,well it was that bitingly cold in liverpool bay that i had to wear a balaclava . hope i'm not classed as a jihadi now
You didn't go to Paris yesterday by any chance, did you?
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The aspect of all this which doesn't sit comfortably with me is that a society which vigorously promotes political correctness to a ridiculous nth degree also allows the mockery of religious beliefs. It shouldn't matter what those beliefs are nor whether you agree with their practices or not. The word 'hypocrisy' comes to mind. Those cartoonists were poking a stick in a hornets nest - What else did they expect to happen?
I am very anti ISIS and am quite happy to accept that there would be collateral damage (the loss of innocent lives) in violently taking them out and that's what needs to happen.
Perhaps now that this murderous event has happened it will spur some military action. We are well past any chance of diplomacy. Unfortunately all these matters of international politics are actually very complex.
I am very anti ISIS and am quite happy to accept that there would be collateral damage (the loss of innocent lives) in violently taking them out and that's what needs to happen.
Perhaps now that this murderous event has happened it will spur some military action. We are well past any chance of diplomacy. Unfortunately all these matters of international politics are actually very complex.
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So if the ISIS insurgents were discovered in towns in the UK you'd be fine for those houses to be bombed killing innocent british citizens and other visitors to our country, including members of your family should they be here.
I assume you'd also be fine for the police to take similar action when hunting down suspected but not convicted murderers etc?
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Just seen this tweeted... http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...lages_attacked_2_000_feared.html?wpsrc=fol_tw
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Do something, yes, do anything, no.
I am probably going to get ripped to pieces on here for saying this, but I think our politicians should be looking to two countries in the area to help contain the threat of ISIL(IS).
They are Iran and Syria.
Both countries are threatened by ISIL, both countries hate ISIL, yet the Western media is doing nothing to tell us about how these countries are fighting against ISIL - why?
The reason is simple, because the US/UK wished to see the fall of the Assad regime in Syria and promoted an uprising against the Assad regime, in order to remove it and in turn get rid of Iran's ally in the region.
Unfortunately, the people the West supported were radical Sunni groups including Al Qaeda (yes they are our new friends folks) and ISIL (who broke away from the Free Syrian Army who we had armed and funded).
At the moment in Iraq, the Kurds and Iraqi army are being supported on the ground against ISIL by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, who are providing technical assistance and boots on the ground.
The countries who we cannot trust in this are Turkey, Jordan and the Gulf States, because they are providing aid and free passage to Syria for wannabe Jihadists.
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....The scenario you describe is currently hypothetical. If it was the case I obviously wouldn't be too happy about it but I would have to accept it as my fate. However, it isn't the case and so I don't honestly care. Our individual human lives are relatively unimportant.
More fundamentally, the scenario you describe justifies military action before ISIS can become so entrenched in the UK as to need military action with possible collateral damage.
Whether we like it or not, governments and national leaders always need to put the interests of a nation as a whole first and if that regretfully means the loss of innocent lives (including yours or mine etc) then so be it. This has always happened in war or violent human conflicts. War is not chivalrous even if it pretended to be in medieval times.
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Lots of comments here.
I feel we, the west, have failed. Today in every western and hopefully all free world papers should have published a selection of the controversial cartoons. Our newspapers said they were scared to. We have lost already.
You can not beat this enemy with bullets.
We need to look at ourselves and see why we generate such hatred. It doesn't take long.
I feel we, the west, have failed. Today in every western and hopefully all free world papers should have published a selection of the controversial cartoons. Our newspapers said they were scared to. We have lost already.
You can not beat this enemy with bullets.
We need to look at ourselves and see why we generate such hatred. It doesn't take long.
Little article,hopefully maybe France will now stop help funding Terrorist,and stand up to theses people the same as theses poor people who die did 
http://www.newstatesman.com/global-...ments-should-european-governments-stop-paying
http://www.newstatesman.com/global-...ments-should-european-governments-stop-paying
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I agree, I was disgusted by many of the conversations in the UK where they shied away from it not wanting to upset their readership. Sure I understand a company needs to make money and you don't want to drive away those that spend it with you.
However avoiding key issues in society is not the answer. I too think the UK remains too tolerate of those that abuse that tolerance. But not only that, it will increase rapidly, and the whole argument about foreigners is pointless. Muslim families tend to be larger looking at census information than non muslim families, the growth rate is extraordinary. In the Netherlands last year Mohammed (and the various variations there off) was the number 1 name for boys already. Yet at the same time unemployment rates are higher, use of council housing is the highest amongst all religious groups, they have the youngest age profile of all religious groups, highest rates of disability allowance claimants, least lone parent households etc.
The points are clear, although I'm sure stats will be disputed etc, and we are not talking about foreigners (like myself
) this is a group of British citizens, and the picture is not much different across other Western European. Growing, feeling marginalised, I'm not surprised some choose to 'get closer' to a version of Islam and decry precious value like freedom of speech and expression. Unfortunately as long as allowances are being made, and special treatment continues, then in my opinion these horrible event will only continue to occur until it is too late.Condemning is all nice and well, but it is cheap after the event, the desire to change needs to come from within, but I doubt that will come when fundamentally there is actually agreement within the community that those cartoons shouldn't be shown amongst many other things...
Sorry totally disagree, that is where we as the west have gone soft and try and tear ourselves apart.
These people are f*****g nutters, simple.
When we the predicted east vs west war start? Should be soon if you follow that history repeats itsself.
100yrs ago the treat to us was Germany and we fannied about and paid for it. The threat now is different, but very real.