Multiculturalism at its best

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Yep, confirmed 100% without a doubt.

Steve you are without a doubt a troll.

What is the issue you have that causes you to sh*t and p*ss all over this forum causing massive disharmony. It is pathetic.
 
ST4 said:
Name them please.
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If the badge fits, wear it, if you think it's you, try and change.

Racism, fascism and xenophobia have no real place in a modern enlightened country, and not on any forum for normal people, have you considered moving your debate to a more appropriate place like Stormfront?
 
Laudrup said:
The different ethnic cuisines is good but we have had our food being spiced up when Asians from the Indian subcontinent and Ugandan Asians that came over in the 50s-70s. It's not really relevant to the multiculturalism experiment Labour foisted on us. I don't agree with David Cameron on a lot of things, but he was right here in 2011:
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Actually much before that. Spice were heavily traded and mostly restricted to the rich houses around the 15th century.venice was the centre of the spice trace up to the Middle Ages?
In the bible, in genesis, Joseph was sold by his brothers to spice traders.
 
I'm going to bed before I say something I should'nt.
 
'Multiculturalism' is a very trendy thing at the moment, sometimes the drum is banged too much. Like pretty much everything else it has good points and bad, but it does get overhyped. Not familiar with edgware rd but was in what would be classed as a multiculture area near Dalston today and it was a complete s***hole!

I live near Cambridge and we have a road in there called Mill rd which is always described as 'multicultural' or 'vibrant'... It is... a s***hole (certainly compared to the rest of cambridge). Its always dirty with its fair share of dossers, chavs, and very poor quality shops... lots of cash converter types and charity shops. A few good indians but not a place I would visit. Still, it makes some people seem cool.

The sad thing for me is the 'ghettos' that seem to spring up... why can't people mix a lot more... not just here but places like Spain where you have mini UK's. Why not embrace where you are and mix things... sure its great to have cafes or shops geared around your nationality but not at the expense of everyone else. Yes if I was going to live in Spain, I would want to have a local expat pub or club, and some english faces around, but would also want to be surrounded by locals too.
 
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I have been a traveller all my life. I've visited every continent at least once. Several more than once. My wife and I absolutely adore culture, food, different ways of life. I go so far as to live as a local in every way, including language, wherever possible, no matter which country I visit. That said, when i return home, I want to live amongst my own people, my own culture. Yet I often feel like I am at the receiving end of everything negative if i say this, since I am white, english and male.

ST4, branded a troll, might simply be fed up with other cultures being pushed into his face in the area he has lived all his life. There is, you must admit, a heck of a difference between living in an area all your life and then over the past 20 years watching it turn into a community for an entirely different culture, than say, moving to Birmingham a year ago and complaining about the existing culture.

Honest opinon? To me, multicultural area, when used in the context of Britain and in terms of location, particularly by estate agents, means a ghetto, where unless you fit the profile, you are not welcome as a new resident. To a decent person of any background or culture, why is such a term even necessary? It simply differentiates people of different backgrounds, and ironically, the desired effect of the word is the opposite. It is as much of a limp dick term as "positive discrimination", a term which I find absolutely abhorrent.

The idea of multiculturalism is, frankly, flawed as seriously as communism. Great ideas in principle but in practice, deeply flawed due to the nature of human beings. People with such differing beliefs are not MEANT to live together. However, we can visit and enjoy each others company, cultures, food and even religions, with no ill feeling whatsoever. Many millions do each year without incident.

To put this into perspective. I despise British people who go to Spain and get drunk, make an awful mess, abuse local laws and fly home again, all in the name of having a good time. To me that is treating Spain like a toilet. It is just as wrong as anyone coming here and expecting to impose their own will and beliefs on the English.

However, my question is. Why is it NECESSARY for people of entirely differing beliefs to live in such close proximity? There is no possibility of it ever ending well on a grand scale. This is entirely why the groups chose to live separately in the first place, if we go back many thousands of years. I have not yet found a compelling argument against this and I am more than willing to listen.

All people are valuable, this isn't racism, it's just that not all individuals or groups/cultures blend together. Politics and policitcal correctness just make the problem worse for all sides.

Just my 2p.
 
I love London, but can't say I'm keen on the Edgware road. I find it mostly dump, but to be fair it is a rather long road, and although in its totality you'll visit a lot of foreign cultures, I also see it as separation since you can about identify which are in which part. But then again I go there a lot...

I do like the street cooking areas, most days I'm found at either Strutton Ground or Vauxhall Street food. But naturally places and their true nature are defined by much more than street food.

But generally it is what I like about London especially, it is a pretty good metropole...
 
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cambsno said:
Yes if I was going to live in Spain, I would want to have a local expat pub or club, and some english faces around, but would also want to be surrounded by locals too.
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Why? People like you moan here about foreigners not integrating into our society yet here you are admitting you'd be just as bad in their position. Take your Spain example; do British pubs enrich the culture of Benidorm or Magaluf? I think not! Is you spending time with fellow British people going to help your efforts in integrating with the Spanish or learn their language? I think not. I spent years sadly watching people with your attitude fail to integrate into a foreign society by doing exactly what you say you'd do. You move to Spain, then you mix with the locals and learn their language. End of.
 
yorkshirechap said:
The idea of multiculturalism is, frankly, flawed as seriously as communism. Great ideas in principle but in practice, deeply flawed due to the nature of human beings. People with such differing beliefs are not MEANT to live together.
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Oh really? Says who? What a narrow-minded attitude you have. I have no problem living alongside people of "differing beliefs". But then I choose not to be a bigot. The reason there are problems is that there are people like you from all backgrounds that have the same stupid belief that difference is bad, which stops the mixing. You dressed the rest of your post up in flowery "I travel, I learn the language, I am cultured" rhetoric, but under it all you are just as separatist and intolerant as the more vocal member here.
You do know that we are all the same under the skin don't you?
 
yorkshirechap said:
I have been a traveller all my life. I've visited every continent at least once. Several more than once. My wife and I absolutely adore culture, food, different ways of life. I go so far as to live as a local in every way, including language, wherever possible, no matter which country I visit. That said, when i return home, I want to live amongst my own people, my own culture. Yet I often feel like I am at the receiving end of everything negative if i say this, since I am white, english and male.

ST4, branded a troll, might simply be fed up with other cultures being pushed into his face in the area he has lived all his life. There is, you must admit, a heck of a difference between living in an area all your life and then over the past 20 years watching it turn into a community for an entirely different culture, than say, moving to Birmingham a year ago and complaining about the existing culture.

Honest opinon? To me, multicultural area, when used in the context of Britain and in terms of location, particularly by estate agents, means a ghetto, where unless you fit the profile, you are not welcome as a new resident. To a decent person of any background or culture, why is such a term even necessary? It simply differentiates people of different backgrounds, and ironically, the desired effect of the word is the opposite. It is as much of a limp d*** term as "positive discrimination", a term which I find absolutely abhorrent.

The idea of multiculturalism is, frankly, flawed as seriously as communism. Great ideas in principle but in practice, deeply flawed due to the nature of human beings. People with such differing beliefs are not MEANT to live together. However, we can visit and enjoy each others company, cultures, food and even religions, with no ill feeling whatsoever. Many millions do each year without incident.

To put this into perspective. I despise British people who go to Spain and get drunk, make an awful mess, abuse local laws and fly home again, all in the name of having a good time. To me that is treating Spain like a toilet. It is just as wrong as anyone coming here and expecting to impose their own will and beliefs on the English.

However, my question is. Why is it NECESSARY for people of entirely differing beliefs to live in such close proximity? There is no possibility of it ever ending well on a grand scale. This is entirely why the groups chose to live separately in the first place, if we go back many thousands of years. I have not yet found a compelling argument against this and I am more than willing to listen.

All people are valuable, this isn't racism, it's just that not all individuals or groups/cultures blend together. Politics and policitcal correctness just make the problem worse for all sides.

Just my 2p.
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A very good, balanced and concise post.

When the name calling starts you shoud know you've lost the argument and this has been a common theme over ST4's posts, when self righteous misinformation, misinterpretation of facts/opinions and twisting of same kicks in. You may disagree with his opinions but writing him off as a troll is just pathetic.
 
BRASH said:
A very good, balanced and concise post.

When the name calling starts you shoud know you've lost the argument and this has been a common theme over ST4's posts, when self righteous misinformation, misinterpretation of facts/opinions and twisting of same kicks in. You may disagree with his opinions but writing him off as a troll is just pathetic.
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Ricardodaforce said:
Why? People like you moan here about foreigners not integrating into our society yet here you are admitting you'd be just as bad in their position. Take your Spain example; do British pubs enrich the culture of Benidorm or Magaluf? I think not! Is you spending time with fellow British people going to help your efforts in integrating with the Spanish or learn their language? I think not. I spent years sadly watching people with your attitude fail to integrate into a foreign society by doing exactly what you say you'd do. You move to Spain, then you mix with the locals and learn their language. End of.
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Spain is hardly a paragon of virtue. Spain scores worse than the UK in the Pew Research Center polls for unfavourable views of Muslims and Jews and the chief executive of anti-discrimination body Football Against Racism in Europe said about racism in the stands at Spanish football: "The problem really is endemic in Spain".
 
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Laudrup said:
Spain is hardly a paragon of virtue. Spain scores worse than the UK in the Pew Research Center polls for unfavourable views of Muslims and Jews and the chief executive of anti-discrimination body Football Against Racism in Europe said about racism in the stands at Spanish football: "The problem really is endemic in Spain".
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You really missed the point of my post.
 
Dave1 said:
If the badge fits, wear it, if you think it's you, try and change.

Racism, fascism and xenophobia have no real place in a modern enlightened country, and not on any forum for normal people, have you considered moving your debate to a more appropriate place like Stormfront?
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None of what I posted is any of this, merely wishing to ensure the well being of my country and ensure it prospers.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
You really missed the point of my post.
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No I got it. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy about acceptance and integration when you don't mention the problems in Spain. Your point of a British pub not enriching the culture, would you say the same about a tapas restaurant in London not enriching the culture, or would that be narrow-minded and ignorant?
 
Laudrup said:
No I got it. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy about acceptance and integration when you don't mention the problems in Spain. Your point of a British pub not enriching the culture, would you say the same about a tapas restaurant in London not enriching the culture, or would that be narrow-minded and ignorant?
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British pubs in Benidorm et al are for a frequented by British. Tapas bars in London et al are enjoyed by all and don't exist solely to serve Spanish immigrants.
It's obvious really isn't it.
 
Rapscallion said:
Yep, confirmed 100% without a doubt.

Steve you are without a doubt a troll.

What is the issue you have that causes you to sh*t and p*ss all over this forum causing massive disharmony. It is pathetic.
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You don't like my views and the fact I've asked someone to clarify themselves so I am a troll.

Pathetic.

If you feel that way please pop me on your ignore list.
 
I'll say what I don't like people coming into a thread that is clearly about the positive aspects in multicultural existence and insisting to drag this thread down to their own asinine level...
 
MWHCVT said:
I'll say what I don't like people coming into a thread that is clearly about the positive aspects in multicultural existence and insisting to drag this thread down to their own asinine level...
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It's a discussion and a free forum to discuss. The threads not been negative and you've discussed the positive aspects, of which I don't fully disagree with.
 
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I'll say what I don't like people coming into a thread that is clearly about the positive aspects in multicultural existence and insisting to drag this thread down to their own asinine level...
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You appear surprised Matt.

Ive pretty much stayed away from the forum this week because of this very thing. Think ill stay away for another week.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
You really missed the point of my post.
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And you missed mine. I dislike both extremes... expats living in a mini Britain in Spain, not learning the lingo, and avoiding all things spanish. Same as many areas here which you would never guess you are in england. If you live in another country you should respect the local customs and make an effort to integrate. If you re-read my point, if i was to move to Spain, while I would pop to the local brit pub every friday for a pint and catch up I would be embracing the local area too. People should just integrate and get to know each other.
 
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Laudrup said:
Spain is hardly a paragon of virtue. Spain scores worse than the UK in the Pew Research Center polls for unfavourable views of Muslims and Jews and the chief executive of anti-discrimination body Football Against Racism in Europe said about racism in the stands at Spanish football: "The problem really is endemic in Spain".
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Yup, you don't hear of Monkey chants at UK grounds but it happens in Spain!
 
Ricardodaforce said:
British pubs in Benidorm et al are for a frequented by British. Tapas bars in London et al are enjoyed by all and don't exist solely to serve Spanish immigrants.
It's obvious really isn't it.
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Yet here was your quote:

The reason there are problems is that there are people like you from all backgrounds that have the same stupid belief that difference is bad, which stops the mixing.
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So wouldn't that make the Spanish beliefs 'stupid' that they aren't mixing the way we as Brits can mix in a tapas restaurant here? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
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Laudrup said:
Yet here was your quote:



So wouldn't that make the Spanish beliefs 'stupid' that they aren't mixing the way we as Brits can mix in a tapas restaurant here? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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You should quit now. You're making yourself look sillier every post. Is embracing multi-culturism so very hard for you. To quote the original post "welcome all nations in to the country...and long may that continue".
Not at bad philosophy is it.
 
BRASH said:
.......... but writing him off as a troll is just pathetic.
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To be fair Brash, he's very quick to use the term with others too.
 
yorkshirechap said:
ST4, branded a troll...
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Sorry I don't think he's a troll, and I don't think he's been branded one. He has strong, opinionated views, often extreme and isn't afraid to voice them. What he doesn't understand is why people find those views extreme and at time offensive. A troll is someone who takes that position intentionally to stir things up. I honestly believe these are Steves true views.
 
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BRASH said:
You may disagree with his opinions but writing him off as a troll is just pathetic.
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No, it is factually correct. Nearly every post that he types is aimed, fairly and squarely, at causing a reaction Brian. Every one is entitled to an opinion, but every now and again,one needs to shut the f*** up, Steve seems incapable of doing that and it appears that the admin/mods are quite happy with the discontent being sown on their forum. So be it.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
You should quit now. You're making yourself look sillier every post. Is embracing multi-culturism so very hard for you. To quote the original post "welcome all nations in to the country...and long may that continue".
Not at bad philosophy is it.
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He is though.

Indeed I support this "welcome all nations in to the country...and long may that continue". But when some people from these nations seek to undermine our customs/heritigage and refuse to intergrate with us in any level, then IMHO they shouldn't be welcome here.
 
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