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Well he ain't been in nursery/school for a while, and perhaps that rang some bells somewhere. It should have done. Beggars belief how a 3 year old child can dissapear and not be missed by anybody.Poor boy wonder how long ago it happened and nobody knew
RIP little one xxx
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The poor little lad. from what the bbc are saying as others have said above about the house and the mother but also looking at a wooded area near to the house... I am sure the police will get to the bottom of it as soon as they have all the information and the facts
Tragic story, RIPIf this is true I fear this may be another 'preventable' death that reflects very badly on social services. I hope this isn't the case.
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Awful to see this happen anywhere but even tougher to see when its happen locally the wee boy went missing just a mile or so from where I stay in Edinburgh, very sad and even more so now that it appears it could be family related. R.I.P Mikaeel
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very sad i seen it in the news today we were all thinking wishing he would be found alive and well
The night has fallen, the day is done,
The moon has taken the place of the sun,
Close your eyes snuggle up tight,Angels
Will watch over you tonight r.i.p little one
The night has fallen, the day is done,
The moon has taken the place of the sun,
Close your eyes snuggle up tight,Angels
Will watch over you tonight r.i.p little one
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For those that haven't put two and two together, the mother is 33.
I'm not one to point the finger but if she did such, well, to hell with her, I'll get my pitch fork ready.......
I'm not one to point the finger but if she did such, well, to hell with her, I'll get my pitch fork ready.......
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Genuine question here.
And not specifically aimed at you, more a general thing, but do folk really get so angry about these sort of things that the would want to act?
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Just a figure of speech more than anything, but it does fuel the anger in some, it's funny how humans act in situations like this, how a community has joined together to mourn in a church service etc. I guess this is one of the many tacts of evolution and how we pulled away and became an independent race etc......
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Another sad part is now there are 4 (?) other children who have lost a mother, yes it appears that she could have been a danger to them because of what appears to have happened but she's still their one and only mother, will be interesting to see how the news unfolds, like how did they find out he was missing, was there any previous issues with the family.
Whatever the outcome etc it's another extremely sad and shocking event.
Thoughts go out to the other children and family members who will be going through a very traumatic time.
Whatever the outcome etc it's another extremely sad and shocking event.
Thoughts go out to the other children and family members who will be going through a very traumatic time.
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Some people get angry at far less and do act!
Ever seen them shouting/thumping/throwing stuff at the custody vans entering/leaving courts?
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That is exactly what sprang to mind when I read Richard's question. Not quite sure what behaviour like that achieves other that to demonstrate a degree of instability, perhaps.
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There are so many questions about all of this which i am sure the police are asking /have asked. I hope her other children are being taken care of and away from the media i am sure there are going to be all those "friends" coming out to talk about it all to the press. as for the plonkers being idiots outside of courts it is like allot things they just want to be seen as the big i am.
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That is kinda what I was thinking.
It just surprises me that folk feel it necessary to do that - especially when neither perp or victim are in any way connected to them.
No, not in my case. I had a feeling this would end badly, and hoped I was going to be wrong, but I'm not emotionally involved in it and don't feel personally outraged. It's terribly sad, but the child is with God now, or not, depending on your beliefs. The case will go where the evidence leads.
I also live in a country - most of the time - where truly horrifying/revolting crimes against children are practically commonplace. I'm not indifferent to this sort of suffering, but I suppose I am fairly detached.
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well not one of the original lynch mob that had the rope ready to hang archangel for daring to have an opinion ,namely that something was not quite right ,,,have come back to say that they may have been a bit quick off the mark to try and shoot him down ,,( or hang him/her ) i think someone else even had to goddamn cheek to suggest one of the parents might have been involved ,,,,,,,,
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It was pretty obvious to most at the time there was probably a parent, or at the very least a family member involved. A 3yo would not be able to do what was claimed and sneak out.
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Exactly, but we were in the wrong for voicing that opinion...
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i was staying out of the thread because id made my point about speculation and finger pointing with little/no facts. my point stood but it would have been counter productive to get the thread locked just to keep banging my drum.
really? you had inside information? no, thought not.
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No, I didnt but used common sense. I could have been wrong but 9/10 in these sort of cases a family member is involved.
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But you hadn't really made a point, had you. You (and others) were just making demands that everybody should stop speculating. On the basis that anything said on here had absolutely no impact on the police investigation why didn't you want people discussing what might have happened?
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actually i had made a point. trial by pitchfork/internet is actually quite damaging without all of the facts and/or finger pointing. whos to say that when the thread started that the family were innocent and some people believing they were at fault caused them harm physically and/or mentally? just because the news outlets had a few small and/or speculative bits of information its not enough to form a good opinion of what happened.
remember the guy that got burned alive because people believed he was a pedophile? when in fact he was taking photos of vandals.
I understand what you're saying, but I think you're exaggerating this. The sort of people who go off half cocked, on some sort of vigilante mission, are far more likely to get their information from television, tabloid sensationalism/speculation or something that was said in the pub than from a site that's mainly devoted to photography.
Forums are for discussion, debate/argument, and exchanging information. People are always going to discuss cases like this, which are already in the public domain because of the human interest and emotion they engender, and there are always going to be disagreements about what should, and perhaps shouldn't, be posted. I can't see any way to avoid this, short of banning this type of topic - like religion and politics - and I wouldn't like to see that. I don't always agree with the moderators decisions either, but I think we have to rely them to step in if necessary.
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okay look, im not going to apologise for my point as i stand by that. however maybe my execution of putting my point across was not the best.
im not looking to argue about it and descend the thread into a lock so i'll leave it there.
im not looking to argue about it and descend the thread into a lock so i'll leave it there.
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Well I guess my +1 qualifies me for that.
My issue was, and remains, that a 3 year old was missing, and within a short period of time people are insinuating on common forums that the family are involved. Whether this turned out to be true or not is irrelevant, and in any case not yet proved. Personally I thought it was in bad taste, but I guess others thought it was fine to speculate in this way on a public forum.
I doubt those for and against will agree on this, so I'll leave it there as at least we can all agree on the tragedy of a 3 year old passing away.
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Something like 90% of cases like these involve either a parent or other close family member, so it isn't unreasonable for the public to make assumptions.
A police officer friend told me that the first experienced officer on scene usually has very strong suspicions within a few minutes of arriving there on similar cases; but of course a professional police officer will always put those suspicions aside, or at least to the point where they stay as suspicions whilst they investigate all possiblities and look for actual evidence.
Personally I don't think that it helps to speculate, but at least it doesn't have a negative effect either, the volunteer searchers and the police won't be affected by anything said on TP...
No doubt a lot of people will now be speculating that the mother is guilty, especially if it turns out that the child died long before being reported missing, but that kind of speculation would be completely wrong, all that we actually know so far is that the police consider that there is enough evidence for a Court to hear the case - nothing more.
A police officer friend told me that the first experienced officer on scene usually has very strong suspicions within a few minutes of arriving there on similar cases; but of course a professional police officer will always put those suspicions aside, or at least to the point where they stay as suspicions whilst they investigate all possiblities and look for actual evidence.
Personally I don't think that it helps to speculate, but at least it doesn't have a negative effect either, the volunteer searchers and the police won't be affected by anything said on TP...
No doubt a lot of people will now be speculating that the mother is guilty, especially if it turns out that the child died long before being reported missing, but that kind of speculation would be completely wrong, all that we actually know so far is that the police consider that there is enough evidence for a Court to hear the case - nothing more.
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And attempting to defeat the ends of justice (presumably the latter refers to her reporting the child as having gone missing). She has been remanded in custody and will be back in court on 28 January.