OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
and the site receives a small commission
Minimum alcohol pricing
- Thread starter SFTPhotography
- Start date
- Status
- Messages
- 49,339
- Name
- Nod (UK)
- Edit My Images
- Yes
More enforcement of current legislation, maybe. IIRC, it's technically an offence to be drunk in public but that's very rarely enforced unless an excuse is wanted to get someone off the streets. It's also (IIRC) an offence to supply someone who is already drunk with intoxicating liquor - again, rarely observed.
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Interesting, it needs enforced for sure. If it were, it would stop this overnight. Although how can plod cope with the sheer volume of people this applies to I do not know. There is only so many of them out there vs all the drunkards in public and people supplying drunks in the pubs with more booze, dibble cannot arrest all these people, they'd be hopelessly out numbered
- Messages
- 18,695
- Name
- LongLensPhotography
- Edit My Images
- No
Let's get down to the point quickly and effectively. @ST4 why did you start drinking at the university? I expect the same answer will apply to many other young people. Was it the [low] price alone? A typical student on a hefty loan in theory shouldn't be able to afford a single pint in a pub already, yet they drink lorry loads.
P.S. you do not suggest pulling out of EU making this country into Islamic State with Sharia law, are you? I am now genuinely confused.
P.S. you do not suggest pulling out of EU making this country into Islamic State with Sharia law, are you? I am now genuinely confused.
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Peer pressure and bad culture. Low prices in chain pubs made drinking very cheap, particularly during the week where clubs would put on 2 for 1 promotions. If alcohol was rationed or prohibitvely expensive, which it simply is not I would not have afforded it.
What has pulling out of the EU got to do with Sharia law? Parts of Sharia law I quite like actually but its irrelvent here. Britain may well be outwith the EU sooner than you think. Maybe, it depends what the majority of her people want. However, the EU isn't the reason for our alcohol culture, although, back in the 70's before we were in the EU, my family tell me city centres were not full of these drinking dens, and booze was dearer relatively to wages. Perhaps the EU is to blame...somehow...
What has pulling out of the EU got to do with Sharia law? Parts of Sharia law I quite like actually but its irrelvent here. Britain may well be outwith the EU sooner than you think. Maybe, it depends what the majority of her people want. However, the EU isn't the reason for our alcohol culture, although, back in the 70's before we were in the EU, my family tell me city centres were not full of these drinking dens, and booze was dearer relatively to wages. Perhaps the EU is to blame...somehow...
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
I'm amazed at how many interchangeable threads like this we have ... can i suggest merging them all in to one entitled 'mein kampf for dummies'
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Yes, but drinking and drinking excessively are two very different things. I did, by choice drink excessively, but had it been an expensive or prohabitve choice to make, I would not have done so as it wouldn't have been available to me. I firmly believe rationing is the only way to fix this sort of heavy drinking.
We have many threads like because you troll them with comments like that.
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Its like rain on your wedding day , a death row pardon 3 minutes too late
leaving aside my exploding irony meter , we have many interchangeable threads because your answer to pretty much everything is that we should leave europe and/ or that its the fault of the underclass scum
it gets so its hard to tell which thread is which after a while as most bear only a passing resemblace to their putative subject matter
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
The trick is prevention rather than cure. If you make alcohol procurement expensive and hard, or even ration it, you prevent the addiction in a lot of cases.
Could you imagine if Heroin was legalised and easily available how that would pan out?
Last edited:
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Huh? Leaving Europe and making the work shy avoiding underclass would solve a lot of problems. You disagree with that. Great. Its a democracy, you'll get your say, I will get mine.
viv1969
Suspended / Banned
- Messages
- 29,452
- Name
- Bat-Frog
- Edit My Images
- No
I guess we ought to do away with salt then.....and sugar...
....and fat....
And aspartame.....
Wait...Tap water's not that good either these days; all those chemicals.
And vehicle emissions...let's ban cars.
Wait....Air!!!
Steve you need to stop trying to dictate how others' live there lives and try getting on with your own.
....and fat....
And aspartame.....
Wait...Tap water's not that good either these days; all those chemicals.
And vehicle emissions...let's ban cars.
Wait....Air!!!
Steve you need to stop trying to dictate how others' live there lives and try getting on with your own.
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
yep - thered be no mre dirty needles, sharing works, people dying of impurities or too pure , thered be no more addicts being exploited by dealers or commiting crimes to get their next fix , it'd be great - but the govt hasnt got the balls
you only have to look at 1920s america to see that prohibition isnt a good idea
- Messages
- 5,988
- Name
- Heather
- Edit My Images
- Yes
I don't see Steve trying to dictate to anyone how they should live their lives, he is merely expressing his own opinion as does everyone else in here.
Steve, rather than lecture people on how they should live a perfect life (in your eyes), why not continue with your perfect life and let us continue with our less than perfect (in your eyes) lives, so that we may continue having a laugh with our friends, getting a bit tipsy at BBQ's, letting our hair down once in a while, and sitting at home enjoying a glass or three of wine without impacting on other people's privacy.
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
but everyone who drinks is doing it in the street in an antisocial manner and making steve feel unsafe on the night bus (he needs a big dog to guard him imo
)
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Where have I told other people how to live their lives. Merely voiced my opinions/views on modern day alcohol consumption and the impact it has on other people and that I support hard line measures to reduce alcohol availability to the good of society.
The fact people are saying this to me means they have no credible discussion to make...
Like this outburst....
More trolling or rhetoric?
The fact people are saying this to me means they have no credible discussion to make...
Like this outburst....
but everyone who drinks is doing it in the street in an antisocial manner and making steve feel unsafe on the night bus (he needs a big dog to guard him imo
More trolling or rhetoric?
Last edited:
- Messages
- 7,018
- Name
- Keith
- Edit My Images
- Yes
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Perhaps maybe this hits it on the head. If being drunk in public is an offence and it's offence to supply someone who is already drunk with intoxicating liquor, Moose would have no problems with these being enforced to the letter.
No, I suspect it is more than that.
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
You think class A drugs should be legalised...wow.
Who's privacy am I impacting when I say the the government needs to clamp out binge drinking and alochol related anti social behaviour?
cambsno
Suspended / Banned
- Messages
- 20,999
- Name
- Simon
- Edit My Images
- Yes
I think there is a good argument for it, certainly merits professional people looking at it in detail. Would be a way of raising tax, making sure stuff was good quality... not so sure we should be legalising crystal meth as that really is a bad drug but speed/e/cocaine/weed could be possible.
Drug use will happen regardless, so why not try to control it?
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
its only a licencing offence to supply someone already drunk - that is if a pub or off licence serves you while you are beyond the point of capability ... that aside though you're right i have no issue with the police enforcing the drunk and disorderly laws ... except that the police are under manned and resourced to fight a pitch battle on sauchihall street every friday and saturday
so we can add paranoia to the list then ... I also love how you are happy to hand it out, but you can't take it
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
exactly and by legalising it you takke it out of the hands of criminals and ensure that what's being supplied isn't cut with rat poison, administered with dirty works, or extortionately expensive - you also at a stroke do away with a massive policing problem thus freeing up more resources to help those that get addicted and police those who get unruly under the influence.
when you think about it tobbaco is legal, alcohol is legal , so why not other drugs ?
- Messages
- 7,018
- Name
- Keith
- Edit My Images
- Yes
come on you two, time to make up
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
nothing to make up from where i'm standing, its a debate of opposing positions, not a blood feud
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
It's not just me, there are droves of people who drink to wanton excess, at some point the state has to kick in.
That's why it needs regulated, so they do not have to. I agree the cities are awash with rowdy drunks, making it more available and attainable will make the problem worse. If its more expensive, harder to get, yes there will still be a problem, but the police won't so hopeless outnumbered to deal with what is a very anti social and nasty problem.
Last edited:
- Messages
- 7,018
- Name
- Keith
- Edit My Images
- Yes
And while we're at it I think table legs should be covered with linen to stop them inflaming my ardour when I see them.
- Messages
- 114,434
- Name
- The real Chris
- Edit My Images
- No
And you can put a shirt on too while you are at it
Bernie174
Suspended / Banned
- Messages
- 2,719
- Name
- Bernie
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Its hardly a new thing. Clubs in London at kicking out time had the same problems that town centers seem to have now.
The only difference is that people were generally paid in cash on Thursday in the past, so the weekend started then. But it does seem to me to be a lot worse now.
Anyway, back to the issue.
1. pricing. Sell it at double the price, people would still buy it, but only half as much. Would it get rid of the drunkenness? No, it might reduce those who are drunk and incapable though. Incapable is not a bad thing though. Incapable means can't start the obligatory fight.
2. Opening hours. If the pubs aren't open they can't sell booze. But then if its cheap in supermarkets, they'll just buy it there. Answer? Licencing hours for pubs AND supermarkets. Still wont stop it but means a lot more pre planning
3. Policing. Nick a drunk and disorderly, it turns into a cecil B de Millne production for no other reason than to keep the IPCC at bay. Probably means when they go from the fight stage to the "Oh my god I want to die" stage a visit to the local hospital tying up at least 2 police officers for a 4 hour wait. The CPS wont procede with a charge, so its pointless. For drunk & incapable, go straight to hospital, cause if he dies in the nick, the IPCC will go all out to hang you, reality not featuring large in their world.
Solution. Nothings going to end it, but we could save some of the money sorting the crap out by re introducing licencing hours and pushing the price of drink up. That will annoy all of middle England as well, so leave as is, and annoy everyone.
Legalise drugs? Oh please behave! It will have no benefit at all! Even turbo cabbage sends people loopy, that's before it gives you lung cancer far earlier than real cigarettes do. Anything heavier than that is just plain stupid.
The only difference is that people were generally paid in cash on Thursday in the past, so the weekend started then. But it does seem to me to be a lot worse now.
Anyway, back to the issue.
1. pricing. Sell it at double the price, people would still buy it, but only half as much. Would it get rid of the drunkenness? No, it might reduce those who are drunk and incapable though. Incapable is not a bad thing though. Incapable means can't start the obligatory fight.
2. Opening hours. If the pubs aren't open they can't sell booze. But then if its cheap in supermarkets, they'll just buy it there. Answer? Licencing hours for pubs AND supermarkets. Still wont stop it but means a lot more pre planning
3. Policing. Nick a drunk and disorderly, it turns into a cecil B de Millne production for no other reason than to keep the IPCC at bay. Probably means when they go from the fight stage to the "Oh my god I want to die" stage a visit to the local hospital tying up at least 2 police officers for a 4 hour wait. The CPS wont procede with a charge, so its pointless. For drunk & incapable, go straight to hospital, cause if he dies in the nick, the IPCC will go all out to hang you, reality not featuring large in their world.
Solution. Nothings going to end it, but we could save some of the money sorting the crap out by re introducing licencing hours and pushing the price of drink up. That will annoy all of middle England as well, so leave as is, and annoy everyone.
Legalise drugs? Oh please behave! It will have no benefit at all! Even turbo cabbage sends people loopy, that's before it gives you lung cancer far earlier than real cigarettes do. Anything heavier than that is just plain stupid.
POAH
Suspended / Banned
- Messages
- 7,882
- Edit My Images
- No
- Messages
- 20,964
- Name
- Pete
- Edit My Images
- Yes
OP
- Messages
- 20,926
- Name
- Steve
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Cops are expensive in salary costs. An ok idea but its better to prevent the problem rather than fight it with lots of police officers once people are drunk and out of control, why not kerb the alcohol intake so that never happens
viv1969
Suspended / Banned
- Messages
- 29,452
- Name
- Bat-Frog
- Edit My Images
- No
- Messages
- 7,018
- Name
- Keith
- Edit My Images
- Yes
Most of them are probably following in their parents foot steps.
- Status