Meat is not an option - my first time as a guest since being a pro

If you are introduced to someone there, say "nice to meat you." they'll never know you spelt it that way.
 
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Barry the Fish, he has fish fingers..........
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Why not make a deal with a Kebab van and have them park UK in the car park. I'm sure they'll do a fantastic trade.
 
Stuart M said:
Buy two meat & potato pasties and two cheese & onion pasties. Take the cheese & onion pasties out of their wrappers and throw them away. Put the meat & potato ones in the cheese & onion wrappers and smuggle them past the guards taking great care to maintain an air of innocence at all times. Obviously, you'll have to eat them cold but that's the price you pay for being devious and sneaky.
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cheese is just as bad to a vegan
 
Please remember there's a huge difference between Vegetarian and Vegan

Many vegetarians will eat fish - as they don't consider it meat , some will eat chicken and turkey as they believe red meat is wrong.

Vegans - that's a whole other thing - no meat of any sort , no dairy of any sort , no eggs some will also ban meat based products - leather , gelatine etc etc .
 
Anybody want to talk about palm oil? That's the latest thing to start fights amongst vegans........
 
Mart61 said:
Another thing. When entertaining veggie guests my wife and I go out of our way to ensure there is a dish or two that meets their dietary requirements. Will they do us a steak, burger or sausages when we go to their house? Will they hell!
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pretty much what i was going to say. people that do eat meat often will always offer a veggy option when doing dinner etc so why not the other way around?

essentially its double standards. veggies expect a veggy option on a menu, but refuse when the (leather?) boot is on the other foot?

Hefferzzzz said:
Nope. I probably eat meat (inc fish) of some sort every single day of the week. Oh, and militancy of meat eaters? Have you met a vegan or vegetarian lately? You will know because they will usually tell you that before they tell you their name... ;)
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bertpalmer said:
Sorry dude, but that's nonsense.
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theurbanclown said:
It's probably because they don't like to encourage the murdering of animals for food, so cook you a nice meal without meat.

How do you justify feeding them meat?

"We suggest more animals should be murdered for your pleasure. Please, have this steak we've prepared for you."
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exhibit A your honor :D
 
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camerassassin said:
Many vegetarians will eat fish - as they don't consider it meat , some will eat chicken and turkey as they believe red meat is wrong.
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If they eat chicken and turkey, I would class them as meat eaters.

Pescetarians - eat fish but no animal flesh
Lacto-ovo-vegetarian - eat dairy and eggs but no other animal products including fish
Lacto-vegetarian - eat dairy but not eggs/meat/fish - most people who are south east Asian and vegetarian fall into this category
Vegan - don't eat any animal/animal derived products

People who eat meat are omnivores. They can eat both vegetables and meat. Hence for them, a vegetarian menu should not be problematic. In fact, if they eat wholly meat and nothing else, their diet is poor and nutrition is lacking.

It's not the same the other way round - people who are vegetarian (of some description) do not eat meat and hence to serve them meat is pointless. Most vegetarians are not lacking in nutrients provided they have a good diet. Vegans will have to take supplements.
 
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neil_g said:
pretty much what i was going to say. people that do eat meat often will always offer a veggy option when doing dinner etc so why not the other way around?
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Would you trust someone to know how to prep and cook meat, particularly if they have never eaten or cooked meat? As above, people who eat meat eat vegetables as well so it's not as difficult as them to prep something.
 
omens said:
Would you trust someone to know how to prep and cook meat, particularly if they have never eaten or cooked meat? As above, people who eat meat eat vegetables as well so it's not as difficult as them to prep something.
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yeah why not, follow the instructions/recipe etc (juices run clear yadda yadda).

no real different than trying a new recipe :)
 
neil_g said:
yeah why not, follow the instructions/recipe etc (juices run clear yadda yadda).

no real different than trying a new recipe :)
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I'm pretty sure that kidney beans are the only veggie food that you can actually die from eating if they are improperly cooked. Meat, not so much ;)
 
JonathanRyan said:
I'm pretty sure that kidney beans are the only veggie food that you can actually die from eating if they are improperly cooked. Meat, not so much ;)
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Raw veg / salad / fruit is a huge source of E-coli, and folks think pre packaged pre wached goods are clean....wrongly.
Now and again there's an outbreak in which folks will pop their clogs.
Potatoes too, can be lethal if they've not been stored correctly, and are then badly prepped and undercooked.
 
viv1969 said:
Raw veg / salad / fruit is a huge source of E-coli, and folks think pre packaged pre wached goods are clean....wrongly.
Now and again there's an outbreak in which folks will pop their clogs.
Potatoes too, can be lethal if they've not been stored correctly, and are then badly prepped and undercooked.
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Oh yeah - I always forget about the bizarre number of people who die from salads.
 
Unless there's allergies preventing you from eating anything, I honestly don't see why people choose to not eat anything meat! We humans eat anything, meat is part of our diet and culture.


But I did had a slight thought about becoming veggie when I was cracking open a live lobster's skull last weekend. Similar thought occurred to me when I was in China watching a chicken get blood drained and de-feathered. But as soon as the cooked meal arrive on the table, those thoughts disappears completely. :D

Meat is just too delicious to give up!
 
JonathanRyan said:
I'm pretty sure that kidney beans are the only veggie food that you can actually die from eating if they are improperly cooked. Meat, not so much ;)
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viv1969 said:
Raw veg / salad / fruit is a huge source of E-coli, and folks think pre packaged pre wached goods are clean....wrongly.
Now and again there's an outbreak in which folks will pop their clogs.
Potatoes too, can be lethal if they've not been stored correctly, and are then badly prepped and undercooked.
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There are some fungi which are apparently easily mistaken for edible varieties that can do you a lot of no good however prepared as well as some whose toxins are detoxified by cooking (IIRC).

ianp5a said:
Too much iron can kill you.
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As Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard can't testify...
 
meh! If I am not supposed to eat animals why

a) Do I possess canines and incisors

b) do they taste so bloody nice?
 
omens said:
If they eat chicken and turkey, I would class them as meat eaters.
Pescetarians - eat fish but no animal flesh
Lacto-ovo-vegetarian - eat dairy and eggs but no other animal products including fish
Lacto-vegetarian - eat dairy but not eggs/meat/fish - most people who are south east Asian and vegetarian fall into this category
a) Vegan - eat any animal/animal derived products

b) People who eat meat are omnivores. They can eat both vegetables and meat. Hence for them, a vegetarian menu should not be problematic. In fact, if they eat wholly meat and nothing else, their diet is poor and nutrition is lacking.

It's not the same the other way round - people who are vegetarian (of some description) do not eat meat and hence to serve them meat is pointless. Most vegetarians are not lacking in nutrients provided they have a good diet. Vegans will have to take supplements.
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With out being pedantic (well not too much anyway :D )
a) typo no doubt ;)
b) people / animals that eat meat are carnivorous
Omnivores have 2 or more food groups on their menu.

That a side, TBH all these different "selective foods"
vegetarians smacks of being fussy eaters to my mind.
Be that through taste and texture as has been mentioned,
or some social conscience.

Although I am a confirmed omnivorous, I have
eaten strict vegetarian, bordering on Vegan meals,
at friends in the past.
It was Ok, but to para-phrase Crocodile Dundee,
you can live on it but ....................... :D
 
Lynton said:
meh! If I am not supposed to eat animals why

a) Do I possess canines and incisors

b) do they taste so bloody nice?
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You're not supposed to, you are a frugivore. Canine and incisor teeth have nothing to do with it.

They only taste so bloody nice because you cook them. If you were a natural meat eater, you would need to eat them raw. As there are no ovens in nature, you cannot consider humans to be natural meat eaters. It's an adaptation of what we are naturally.

http://dpcpress.com/natural_diet.html
http://www.raw-food-health.net/Frugivores.html


Steve.
 
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Raw meat tastes pretty good if it's decent. I'll take that steak mooing. ;)

But seriously, when I cook steak I prefer it bloody and *just* warm in the middle - the middle part is great, although I'd agree that caramelising the outside makes it taste even better. Likewise good bits of lamb are fine very very rare. Chicken and pork not so much, and there are good health reasons for not consuming those raw.

As for frugivores, most primates are happily omnivorous, eating whatever comes to hand including, when available, meats. From the second link: "we'll review what seperates us from obviously-frugiverous chimps and bonobos" and of course, because they have a fruit & vegetable diet/cause to push then we'll amazingly discover that people should only eat fruit & vegetables too. Funny that.
 
The last vegetarian wedding I went to, they had my favourite local ale on tap and a venison spit roast.

Was pretty awesome. Just cos you are a veggie, doesn't mean everybody else has to be, they got that, so catered for everyone.

I was on a two week music tour around Europe with two vegans... Good grief could they cause a scene.
One had a tantrum because her potato dish was sitting next to a plate of boiled ham, and it "might have got ham steam on it"

Flippin nut jobs..
 
Steve Smith said:
You're not supposed to, you are a frugivore. Canine and incisor teeth have nothing to do with it.

They only taste so bloody nice because you cook them. If you were a natural meat eater, you would need to eat them raw. As there are no ovens in nature, you cannot consider humans to be natural meat eaters. It's an adaptation of what we are naturally.

http://dpcpress.com/natural_diet.html
http://www.raw-food-health.net/Frugivores.html

Steve.
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We created fire to solve the oven issue. I can't see us evolving to this level by only eating fruit and vegetables.
 
The worlds best diet was an interesting programme. It showed the Inuit still ate raw meat and fish.

I thought meat contained certain essential nutrients you just couldn't get elsewhere easily?
 
One of my ex girlfriends was a hardcore vegetarian, two best moments :

1) 'Accidentally' ordering a £100 steak in New York while she had to have the most miserable looking baked potato & spinach :).
2) After we broke up getting all my mates round and slow cooking a shoulder of pork, after 14 hours on a low heat the smell in the condo was amazing :D.
 
Steve Smith said:
You're not supposed to, you are a frugivore. Canine and incisor teeth have nothing to do with it.

They only taste so bloody nice because you cook them. If you were a natural meat eater, you would need to eat them raw. As there are no ovens in nature, you cannot consider humans to be natural meat eaters. It's an adaptation of what we are naturally.

http://dpcpress.com/natural_diet.html
http://www.raw-food-health.net/Frugivores.html


Steve.
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Biltong. End of. No cooking involved. I make it. Tastes awesome.
 
£100 for a steak. I'd want half a cow for that!
 
srichards said:
I thought meat contained certain essential nutrients you just couldn't get elsewhere easily?
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B12 is the only one that springs to mind. This doesn't IIRC come from meat but basically from bacteria. These ferment in animals but in general humans probably can't synthesise enough themselves. It's controversial because lots of vegans don't take B12 and are apparently healthy but it takes years to build up a deficiency and the effects are quite bad (I think it's a shutdown of your central nervous system or something) so clinical trials have never really been done. It's possible that eating dirty veg could give you enough.

There was a fascinating question in the New Scientist years ago - a reader wrote in to ask if you could actually live on just milk and Guinness. The consensus from all the scientists, doctors and people who had tried it when students was basically yes but you'd eventually need a new liver and be very fat. One doctor advised occasionally eating the milk carton for fibre.
 
JonathanRyan said:
B12 is the only one that springs to mind. This doesn't IIRC come from meat but basically from bacteria. These ferment in animals but in general humans probably can't synthesise enough themselves. It's controversial because lots of vegans don't take B12 and are apparently healthy but it takes years to build up a deficiency and the effects are quite bad (I think it's a shutdown of your central nervous system or something) so clinical trials have never really been done. It's possible that eating dirty veg could give you enough.

There was a fascinating question in the New Scientist years ago - a reader wrote in to ask if you could actually live on just milk and Guinness. The consensus from all the scientists, doctors and people who had tried it when students was basically yes but you'd eventually need a new liver and be very fat. One doctor advised occasionally eating the milk carton for fibre.
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I have no idea why I found that so funny.....but I was giggling like a loon :lol:
 
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