Man shoots daughters laptop.

joescrivens said:
Man says something on a video and then uploads it for the world to see. Ummmm yeah, there's a good chance he isn't lying, otherwise anyone who knew him back then would point that out
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well ive just watched the video of his daughter explaining what a git he is ,

girl says something on a video and then uploads it for the world to see. Ummmm yeah, there's a good chance she isn't lying, otherwise anyone who knew her back then would point that out

so it must be true
 
KEV145 said:
what a pratt, his answer to his 15 year old daughters growing up problems is to give her example like this, and I bet he thinks he is being a good responsible parent. I hope he never has any serious issues to handle if this is his foolish answer to trivia.
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Michybug12 said:
Funny if it's a joke! But think its something we'd all like to do...and most of us would have the sense not to!! Just what is he trying to teach his daughter?? Put a few bullets in everything that riles you???
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I agree.

The man trying to keep control of his stuff, while totally forgetting that children are not stuff. Making a destructive not constructive, mess of it all.
 
fabs said:
You seriously just said that because a man uploaded himself saying something, there's a good chance he isn't lying?? :lol:
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correct. since it has been seen by more than 5 million people and countless news stories have been written, digging into his past, yet not one of them has offered a suggestion that this is a lie. There's a good chance he is telling the truth.
 
archamedes said:
chuck norris
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Has counted to infinity. Twice.
Can set fire to ants with a magnifying glass. At night.
Chuck Norris was one of the original 4 wise men. The other 3 wise men, jealous of chucks Karate skills, had him left out of the official nativity transcript.Shortly after all 3 wise men died of roundhouse-kick related injuries.
 
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donutagain said:
well ive just watched the video of his daughter explaining what a git he is ,

girl says something on a video and then uploads it for the world to see. Ummmm yeah, there's a good chance she isn't lying, otherwise anyone who knew her back then would point that out

so it must be true
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Try not to take things too literally. As I have explained to fabs, the man has had over 5 million views of his video and countless news stories and people digging into his past, yet nobody has come out and said that his comment about being a volunteer as a firefighter was untrue. The fact that he was making a very serious video and statement to his daughter that millions of people have seen means there's a pretty good chance he isn't lying.

Try to use your integrity to realise what is likely to be true and what is likely to be fake.
 
archamedes said:
a voluntary one or a reserve fireman i guess, I mean unless there are any americans on this forum, how do you know what they are allowed to do over there? You can join the army at 16 here. as a volenteer or reserve he was probably like a cadet or one of those guys who washes the fire engine or helps out with the station chores.
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http://www.albemarle.org/upload/ima...d_educational/Volunteer_Information_Guide.pdf

direct quote from this guide:

Must be 18 years of age (some stations welcome junior members between the ages of 16 and 18);
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http://www.cga.ct.gov/2006/rpt/2006-R-0772.htm

you can see some states allow volunteer firefighters at 15 but they are restricted to what they can do

and that's now. So theres no reason why 30 years ago he couldn't have volunteered as a firefighter at aged 16. Since we live in an "innocent till proven guilty" world. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt shall we?
 
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Wow, talk about over analysing something.

Now we've done that to death, perhaps cast your critical eye over this:

http://youtu.be/wpCg5h7MyNk
 
why do you seem so adament to hang on to the small irrelevent point of him possibly lying about being a fireman volenteer when he was 16? It really makes no difference to the bigger picture in the video, and in all honesty, while following the other sites and news about this story, he has refused all chatshow radio show and news interview invitations. He has also refused paid interviews too, so he really isn't in this for the money or the publicity. because his principles are working hard and earning your money with real graft, not selling your story to make an easy buck, kind of the point he was trying to make to his daughter throughout this whole video. So he cannot be bought and looks to be pretty true to his word. So who are you to question him? How are you an expert on this man and who he is and his personal history?
 
archamedes said:
why do you seem so adament to hang on to the small irrelevent point of him possibly lying about being a fireman volenteer when he was 16? It really makes no difference to the bigger picture in the video, and in all honesty, while following the other sites and news about this story, he has refused all chatshow radio show and news interview invitations. He has also refused paid interviews too, so he really isn't in this for the money or the publicity. because his principles are working hard and earning your money with real graft, not selling your story to make an easy buck, kind of the point he was trying to make to his daughter throughout this whole video. So he cannot be bought and looks to be pretty true to his word. So who are you to question him? How are you an expert on this man and who he is and his personal history?
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Who are you asking this question to?
 
i would think me
so he's not in it for the publicity then Dave ,,,so why go on youtube ,,,,oh so her friends could see it of course , i didnt say i was an expert on him , but you obviously are ,,,
its my opinion of him and its your opinion on him ,,,i think he's a crap parent ,
so am i right in thinking both you and Joe think he a super role model of a parent then ?
 
he posted it on youtube to then link it to his daughters facebook profile, so her friends could see the truth about what she was ranting about, the video then went viral, but he isn't interested in the publicity or going on tv to promote what he did or who he is as a parent. Im not an expert on him either, but I have looked at the other sites covering his story and read a lot about who he is.
 
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donutagain said:
i think he's a crap parent ,
so am i right in thinking both you and Joe think he a super role model of a parent then ?
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Having read a lot more about the story than you obviously, I don't think he is a crap parent. especially since his daughter is actually now fine with what he did and understands it (read the updates on his facebook page).

I think he has taught his daughter a very valuable lesson. It's irrelevant how he took the laptop away - whether he sold it, dropped it, locked it away or shot it - irrelevant. The point was he took it away from her indefinitely until she learnt the value of money and earned her own money to buy another.

My dad gave me a similar lesson. When I was 17 I wrote my car off, a car that my dad had paid for. It wasn't an accident, it was careless driving by me. My dad did not let me claim on my car insurance. He made me pay back the money the car cost by working. I then had to work to earn enough money to buy a new car. Which I did.

It taught me a very valuable lesson and made me appreciate money and earning for a living.

Social media didn't exist then, and I didn't disrespect him by slagging him off on the internet, so he didn't need to punish me that way, but if I had I would have to take the response on the chin.
 
And also, I'm not going to make a judgement on whether he is a good parent or not based on one incident that I have seen on YouTube, my opinion is that this one incident was not bad parenting having read a little more about the situation.
 
joescrivens said:
And also, I'm not going to make a judgement on whether he is a good parent or not based on one incident that I have seen on YouTube, my opinion is that this one incident was not bad parenting having read a little more about the situation.
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but you just have , in your previous post

Having read a lot more about the story than you obviously, I don't think he is a crap parent. especially since his daughter is actually now fine with what he did and understands it (read the updates on his facebook page).
 
maybe one persons idea of bad parenting is another persons couldnt give a toss
 
donutagain said:
but you just have , in your previous post
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which is exactly why i updated afterwards to say that I decided I wasn't going to judge him as a parent, but instead just this one incident.
 
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archamedes said:
fake! there have been a lot of people trying to muscle in on the fame, on the story and trying to copy the story on youtube. For one, she doesnt look 15 and secondly shes using a computer...
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of course shes using a a computer her laptop was shot in the vid she says shes run away with her g/f shes prob using her pc:D
 
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i dont know if you have any daughters / children Joe ,but is that the way you would treat them ,,by taking their laptop away and destroying it and then showing all of her friends and many others on facebook ,just to humiliate and embarrass them ,and all because they had said some things about you that you did'nt like ??? very childish
 
donutagain said:
i dont know if you have any daughters / children Joe ,but is that the way you would treat them ,,by taking their laptop away and destroying it and then showing all of her friends and many others on facebook ,just to humiliate and embarrass them ,and all because they had said some things about you that you did'nt like ??? very childish
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i have 2 children, a son and a daughter.

you have seen one video and are making an assumption that all she did was say something he didn't like.

You don't know the history of the incident, he had already warned her about doing something similar in the past and took away her laptop, he said if she ever did it again, it would be a lot worse. Guess what. He followed through.

I wouldn't have a problem destroying something of hers that I had bought her if I warned her about it and she failed to heed that warning. I like to follow through with my warnings.

Each parent and child have their own relationship and know the boundaries of what they can do and can't do, yet keep a good relationship. Good and bad parenting decisions fall in and out of these boundaries. Instead of judging him because you personally wouldn't do this you should look at the bigger picture.

Social services have visited the house and conducted an investigation that they are happy the daughter is in a healthy family. The daughter herself is ok with what happened and probably has a lesson learned. So in that incident for that family, it has driven the message home and she's been taught a lesson - she won't be doing this again.

Another family it could have gone completely the other way - parenting is not a black and white thing, what works for one doesn't work for another, so you should bare that in mind when you make judgements on people
 
ok so what else did she do ?,

and so when you buy your kids presents , they're not really the kids but still yours and you can take them back at any time and destroy them ?

social services probably visited baby p on numerous occasions but sadly it didnt mean all was well

the only way we as people can judge others actions is by our own standards ,


and i dont think you answered my question ,is this how you would treat your own children ?
 
i must admit i take toys off my girls if they are naughty a few have gone in the bin too infront of them if they have been warned about something before

in my house there are in this order

warning
naughty wall
take toy away
throw toy in the bin
give them a clip on the back of the hand

very rare it goes past the naughty wall most of the time they are just normal kids
 
When I was about 10 years old, my Dad smacked my bare ar5e!

Does that make my Dad a bad parent?

Let me fill you in on the details......

A girl who lived a few doors along from me was a right tom-boy, we were playing footy in the garden and she went a little "weird" (she was 11 by the way). Only being 10 myself I knew women went a little weird every now and then (my mum went a little nuts whenever there was a * on the calendar) and I said "Go away love and sort your life out" which was a little catchphrase me and my mates had.

Well this girl went beserk, nigh on pushed me through a wooden fence and ran home crying.

The next morning her Mum came round, I got sent into the garden while she spoke with my parents.

About 20 mins later I got called in and Dad asked me to apologise to the girl and her Mum, I questioned why and Dad said because I'd told her to go away and sort her life out and it wasn't very nice. I remomstated a little saying it was something everyone was saying but he said it wasn't nice where this girl was concerned as her parents had just split up.

I continued to argue the toss that I didn't know about her parents and he said regardless, I still needed to go and apologise.

I refused again and he said he'd give me one more chance or I'd get a "special"...... A "special" was a fabled form of punishment in our family, at the age of 10 I'd managed not to incur this punishment which was a smacked bare ar5e so I called his bluff......

BIG MISTAKE!!!! Writhing in agony on the floor with my trousers around my ankles I yelled..... "That's it, I'm calling the Police", Dad handed me the phone and said "Go on then!!" :lol:

Shortly after that I went and apologised but I had learnt a few things:

1) "Specials" were real and they hurt lots!!!
2) Dad wasn't bluffing
3) Sometimes, although you might not agree, you need to do the right thing and in that situation the right thing to do was to apologise.

At the age of 35 I totally understand why Dad did what he did, I needed to be taught a lesson and perhaps at that point in time, the only way to do that was a "special".

IMO that makes my Dad a great parent, I can honestly say he never "lost the plot" with me, I got smacked when I deserved it but he never hit me in frustration or temper.

So I'll ask again....... Is my Dad a bad parent?

Perhaps this girl needed her Dad to shoot her laptop, OK it's a little more drastic than a smacked backside but this could have been a turning point in her life?
 
donutagain said:
ok so what else did she do ?,

and so when you buy your kids presents , they're not really the kids but still yours and you can take them back at any time and destroy them ?
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Who said it was a present?

donutagain said:
social services probably visited baby p on numerous occasions but sadly it didnt mean all was well
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where's that rolleyes smiley again

donutagain said:
the only way we as people can judge others actions is by our own standards ,
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maybe dont judge other parents on their parenting then:shrug:

donutagain said:
and i dont think you answered my question ,is this how you would treat your own children ?
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its not that i didn't answer your question, it's that i just didn't give you a yes or know answer because it's not a black and white question, instead i gave you an interpretation of the situation - you don't know the full picture and neither do I so I can't tell you what I would do in the situation as it's not my daughter and I don't know the full history.
 
i think you had it right when you said its a little more drastic ( the shooting ) than a smacked arse ,although i'd say a lot more drastic myself ,,no i dont think that makes your dad a bad parent ,,but on the very odd occasion that i smacked any of mine ( three daughters ) it seemed to be the right thing at the time ,,,but now looking back i wish i hadnt and that id been a better person and handled it a different way without resorting to what is violence against a child ,and going back to tommy boy with his eight shooter ( and one up the spout or whatever it is ) it must be very intimidating for his daughter to see that sort of behaviour ,maybe thats the american way ,if something trivial upsets you get the gun out and let the copper coated lead fly ,,,not forgeting to use hollow point nuclear exploding smart winchester bullets ,,,
 
who said what was a present ?
 
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the only way we as people can judge others actions is by our own standards ,

maybe dont judge other parents on their parenting then

but i am judging other parents because i am a parent to three girls

its not that i didn't answer your question, it's that i just didn't give you a yes or know answer because it's not a black and white question, instead i gave you an interpretation of the situation - you don't know the full picture and neither do I so I can't tell you what I would do in the situation as it's not my daughter and I don't know the full history.
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yes it is ,,you didnt answer the question ,and now you're saying its not your daughter and you dont know the full history so why are you saying hes a good parent if you dont know whats been going on ? so all i got really was your interpretation of the situation and the question is straight forward ,very black and white , would you have done the same thing to your children ?? simple yes or no will do
 
donutagain said:
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Originally Posted by donutagain
the only way we as people can judge others actions is by our own standards ,

maybe dont judge other parents on their parenting then

but i am judging other parents because i am a parent to three girls

its not that i didn't answer your question, it's that i just didn't give you a yes or know answer because it's not a black and white question, instead i gave you an interpretation of the situation - you don't know the full picture and neither do I so I can't tell you what I would do in the situation as it's not my daughter and I don't know the full history.
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yes it is ,,you didnt answer the question ,and now you're saying its not your daughter and you dont know the full history so why are you saying hes a good parent if you dont know whats been going on ? so all i got really was your interpretation of the situation and the question is straight forward ,very black and white , would you have done the same thing to your children ?? simple yes or no will do
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i can't understand your post because your quotes are all over the place
 
joescrivens said:
the laptop. you asked when i give my kids presents, if they are actually still mine - what made you bring up presents?
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what i said was ,when you give your kids presents are they your kids or do you still own them . now this bloke either gave her the laptop as a present or she bought it herself either way it was hers , and he took it away just to be bloody minded and vindictive ,its wrong .
 
joescrivens said:
i can't understand your post because your quotes are all over the place
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what you have to do is work out the bits from your posts ( they were your words ) and the bits you didnt write ,,i did
 
Originally Posted by donutagain
the only way we as people can judge others actions is by our own standards ,
maybe dont judge other parents on their parenting then

but i am judging other parents because i am a parent to three girls
its not that i didn't answer your question, it's that i just didn't give you a yes or know answer because it's not a black and white question, instead i gave you an interpretation of the situation - you don't know the full picture and neither do I so I can't tell you what I would do in the situation as it's not my daughter and I don't know the full history.
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yes it is ,,you didnt answer the question ,and now you're saying its not your daughter and you dont know the full history so why are you saying hes a good parent if you dont know whats been going on ? so all i got really was your interpretation of the situation and the question is straight forward ,very black and white , would you have done the same thing to your children ?? simple yes or no will do
ok mine are the red bits
 
donutagain said:
what i said was ,when you give your kids presents are they your kids or do you still own them . now this bloke either gave her the laptop as a present or she bought it herself either way it was hers , and he took it away just to be bloody minded and vindictive ,its wrong .
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and I answered you. No I don't own them, but all the time my children live under my roof I can confiscate anything they own that I have bought them as a punishment if they fail to heed a warning. It's not vindictive or wrong. It's one way to keep your child in line.

I'd rather confiscate an item they own than punch them in the face for example
 
donutagain said:
ok so what else did she do ?,

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did i miss the answer to this bit or did you not see the question , or just chose to ignore it or dont know the answer ,or maybe your working on an interpretation of it
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donutagain said:
ok mine are the red bits
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whats wrong with using normal quote tags? I've fixed your post for you. But I won't do it again, if you can't keep your posts organised properly, i'm not going to continue the debate with you. It's too confusing

donutagain said:
but i am judging other parents because i am a parent to three girls
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well, then maybe don't judge at all. Discuss, but judgeing other parents when you have such a small amount of information is not a great thing to do. Keep your own house in order and let others do the same.

donutagain said:
yes it is ,,you didnt answer the question ,and now you're saying its not your daughter and you dont know the full history so why are you saying hes a good parent if you dont know whats been going on ?
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I am not saying he is a good or bad parent, like I said. I decided I would rather reserve judgement on him as a parent. With the information I have I don't feel that what he has done was a terrible thing.

donutagain said:
very black and white , would you have done the same thing to your children ?? simple yes or no will do
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Since I don't know the leadup to the event I cannot give you a yes or no answer. You ask me would I do the same in the same situation - but i don't know the situation, I only know what I have read. The isolated incident and not the whole picture.

The problem is you are looking at this one event in isolation instead of realising that you don't know the family and the situation.

plus, I don't own a gun so couldn't shoot anything if I wanted to :)
 
donutagain said:
ok so what else did she do ?,

did i miss the answer to this bit or did you not see the question , or just chose to ignore it or dont know the answer ,or maybe your working on an interpretation of it
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have you watched the video?
 
joescrivens said:
and I answered you. No I don't own them, but all the time my children live under my roof I can confiscate anything they own that I have bought them as a punishment if they fail to heed a warning. It's not vindictive or wrong. It's one way to keep your child in line.

I'd rather confiscate an item they own than punch them in the face for example
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so you steal from them? and your last line is a very strange thing to come out with ,,,the very fact that you even thought of punching them in the face ( for example )
 
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