Lightroom 4 has landed

mrgubby said:
Just had a look at the Adobe price to upgrade my LR3, it's more expensive to download than get a shipped boxed copy.


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I think that the shipped copy comes from Ireland which has a different amount of Tax but the download has the UK tax - might be wrong but that was what it used to be.
 
DemiLion said:
Handy info though. Thanks for doing the user testing! :D
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Glad my fifteen minutes of swearing at the computer were of some use. :)

Tractor Boy said:
I think that the shipped copy comes from Ireland which has a different amount of Tax but the download has the UK tax - might be wrong but that was what it used to be.
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I bought via download from the Aussie store, and my invoice came from Dublin. :shrug:
 
I don't use LR so don't know about previous versions, but I'm pretty sure Aperture is now having an effect at Adobe and not just price.

I looked at "what new in LR4 " and a few thing look to be influenced by Aperture ( if they really are new to LR)

Things new to LR4 but already in Aperture

Photo book creation
Emailing from Lightroom
Location-based photo organization
Highlight and shadow recovery

And one I can't believe is NEW to LR4 Soft proofing.


I'm not say one is better than the other, but I do hope there is real market completion between the two which will drive each company to give use more and more, at less and less cost .
 
Its already had highlight and shadow recovery just called "recovery" and "fill light" in the older versions. Location based stuff isn't just aperture, its been around for ages and lots of 3rd party programmes to add. Also the eyefi and other GPS cards are now everywhere.
Emailing it USED to support then vanished but still available in LR3 via plugins so they've simply made it cleaner.

Photo book im not really sure who will use that really. Novelty addition at most.

All these things were around long before aperture so not copying anything off there.
 
gnirtS said:
Its already had highlight and shadow recovery just called "recovery" and "fill light" in the older versions.
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The way they affect the image is different though. Try it and see - you can get the old controls back by selecting a different process in "Camera Calibration" in the Develop module.
 
If i buy the new full version of LR4, can I ony use it on my desktop or can I also put it on my lappy? Both are personal computers, not for other people, unfortunatly I cant take a desktop on holiday.
 
Blasted said:
If i buy the new full version of LR4, can I ony use it on my desktop or can I also put it on my lappy? Both are personal computers, not for other people, unfortunatly I cant take a desktop on holiday.
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Unless the license has changed between 3 and 4, then yes. It's simultaneous use that's not allowed.
 
Blasted said:
If i buy the new full version of LR4, can I ony use it on my desktop or can I also put it on my lappy? Both are personal computers, not for other people, unfortunatly I cant take a desktop on holiday.
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You can install it on a desktop and a portable device.
 
From Adobe's wording, I read it as 2 desktops would be fine i.e. the second doesn't necessarily be a portable device. No?
 
redhed17 said:
Doesn't help if you have got it I know, but all the Adobe software benefits from a 64bit system and load of RAM, something XP lacks.
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No it doesn't?
64 bit xp was available.
 
I've asked this elsewhere but so far not got a definitive answer....

I have lots of presets which I've downloaded over the past 2 or 3 years. Now, while they work fine on LR3 I suspect they won't work fine on LR4. Why? Because the sliders are different to those which the preset designer would have used in the past. So, do all the old presets now become useless?

I think this is a big deal but it seems to have gone by-the-by with all the positive hype.....:thinking:
 
Dont have to use Process 2012 then the sliders remain the same.
Also when upgrading LR3 catalogues it updates to a similar setting on the new sliders so no reason to think the presets wont do the same.

Why not just try it? Its a relatively small free trial download that co-exists happily with LR3.
 
I've been using some presets that were designed on for LR3 with the LR4 beta without issue. As richard says, when you use a preset made on LR3, LR4 sets the similar sliders to similar positions to replicate the preset in Process 2012. It probably won't create an identical look to the preset on LR3, but it should come pretty close.
 
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Thanks folks. That's put my mind at rest. Cheers :thumbs:
 
Some of my presets work a bit differently, for instance, my standard import preset was to set clarity at 25, however, with the new process version it sets it at 12, which looks comparable.
 
jerry12953 said:
How does LR4 deal with all the images in your catalogue that were edited in LR3? Do you have the option to "upgrade to new process" that was in LR3?
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Yes. It keeps them in the old process on import.

jerry12953 said:
Has anyone done this, and if so how did they look afterwards?
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That's going to depend very much on what you did to them in LR3.
 
jerry12953 said:
Mainly processing....in other words, blacks, fill light and exposure.
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That's what I normally do to mine. I'm leaving my old ones in LR3 and only processing new stuff. Why not try downloading the 30 day trial and setting up a dummy import of some files you have processed and see how it affects them.
 
Hi, I'm after a bit of advice, Bought the full version at 7am Friday morning from adobe.com, received an email saying they were experiencing problems processing online orders and I would hear within 24 hours regarding my purchase, and as yet, nothing!

Just wondered if anyone else experienced similar?... Thanks
 
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LS1 said:
Hi, I'm after a bit of advice, Bought the full version at 7am Friday morning from adobe.com, received an email saying they were experiencing problems processing online orders and I would hear within 24 hours regarding my purchase, and as yet, nothing!

Just wondered if anyone else experienced similar?... Thanks
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They do seem to be very slow, I ordered LR4 on Wednesday, and it took them until Friday to confirm the order. I have since had another email from them to say it will be delivered on Monday with a tracking number.
 
As the above post suggests I have purchased the full version of Lightroom 4, I didn't get on with LR when it first came out but having heard a lot of good things about it have decided to bite the bullet...............Look out, lots of questions about to be unfolded on the forum. :shrug:
 
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redddraggon said:
64bit XP did not have very good driver compatibility, so it wasn't/isn't a good option for most people.
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Where did I say it was?
I simply replied to the assertion that 64bit xp never existed.
Please read my posts before putting words in my mouth thanks ;)

Ps, never had any driver issues re anything photo related when I used it, besides I am unaware of any drivers needed for lightroom to operate beyond graphics? ;)
 
My first impression of LR4...
WOW - that's different!

Here's an image I processed last night in LR3 and re-processed just now in LR4.
LR3 on the left, LR4 on the right.
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Both images have a custom white balance set using the picker on a highlight in the water.
Looking at the WB preview in both images there is little variation moving the dropper around.
Hence I cannot explain the pronounced colour difference between the two.

All I have done to both images is quick tweaks to the sliders to bring out the texture in the water.
This has never been easy in LR3, the highlights have always looked a bit indistinct and I've often resorted to an Adjustment Brush to whack up the contrast on the highlights.
LR4 doesn't have a problem - in fact I've back off the controls slightly so as not to go OTT. I haven't needed to touch the shadows slider, but it gives complete control of the detail in the dark water at the top of the image.

I take a lot of abstract images.
Looks like LR4 is going to be a significant improvement!
 
Wow, they are very different!

The LR4 version looks a lot "cleaner" but also noticeably warmer.

In my dreams the shadows and highlights controls would work together to avoid the need for HDR-type manipulation outside LR. I thought LR3 did a reasonable job but maybe LR4 has fixed it!

I like the image by the way.....
 
jerry12953 said:
And why has adobe halved the price of Lightroom?

Corel Aftershot Pro. RRP £80.00.

Not that we're complaining......:thumbs:
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Apple aperture at £45 has probably helped our cause too.
 
jerry12953 said:
Wow, they are very different!

The LR4 version looks a lot "cleaner" but also noticeably warmer.

In my dreams the shadows and highlights controls would work together to avoid the need for HDR-type manipulation outside LR. I thought LR3 did a reasonable job but maybe LR4 has fixed it!

I like the image by the way.....
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Cheers :thumbs:

After the abstract image, I processed a set of 'normal' landscapes.
The difference is far less pronounced; subtle and far less noticeable.
The big difference is that I was battling with the clipping indicators far less than normal.
The sliders seem intuitive and very effective.
The new local adjustment is WONDERFUL!!!!!

Overall, I'm pleased.
But I need to put a few more sets of images through LR4 before deciding where it's different, and whether it has made a significant difference.

In terms of the reported slowness.
I found that LR4 was initially disappointingly slow.
But that was down to LR4 rebuilding all the thumbnails from scratch.
It was similar to trying to work on 16Gb of images immediately after importing into LR3 - a little frustrating. But LR doesn't take long to catch up.....
Once LR4 had settled down I had no issues with performance.
 
For those that were wondering who was eligible for the upgrade version of Lightroom 4, here is clarification direct from Adobe:

Upgrade Details
We’ve had several questions around who is eligible for an upgrade to Lightroom 4. Any Lightroom 1, 2 or 3 version of Lightroom, education editions included, can utilize the upgrade version of Lightroom 4. The prior version of Lightroom does not need to be installed on the computer, however you will need the prior version serial number at the time of installation of Lightroom 4. (If the prior version is still installed on the computer, Lightroom 4 will automatically pick up that serial number so you don’t need to go digging through boxes or your email)
 
Another LR3 v LR4 comparison for you.....

LR3 (Process 2010 in LR4)
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LR4
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Both variations have the same grad, same crop and same white balance.
The the rest of the processing aimed to show the rays of Sun while keeping the foreground looking lush.

The huge difference is that in process 2010 the Recovery slider does not show detail in the area close to the sun and I cannot stop the highlights clipping.
By comparison process 2012 needed a tiny tweak to Highlights and clipping was gone. The amount of detail recovered around the Sun is amazing and I've backed the slider off to make it look more natural. Unlike Fill-Light, the Shadows slider didn't detriment the rays of Sun, so I've been able to use it more aggressively to make the foreground glow.

In short.....
LR4 has done some wonderful things to the tones in this image which I cannot replicate in LR3.
I think LR4 and I are going to get on just fine :)
 
Morph3ous said:
For those that were wondering who was eligible for the upgrade version of Lightroom 4, here is clarification direct from Adobe:

Upgrade Details
We’ve had several questions around who is eligible for an upgrade to Lightroom 4. Any Lightroom 1, 2 or 3 version of Lightroom, education editions included, can utilize the upgrade version of Lightroom 4. The prior version of Lightroom does not need to be installed on the computer, however you will need the prior version serial number at the time of installation of Lightroom 4. (If the prior version is still installed on the computer, Lightroom 4 will automatically pick up that serial number so you don’t need to go digging through boxes or your email)
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Yes indeedie. Bought my upgrade for educational version and had it sorted within 2 mins :) I'm loving the hilight and shadow tools :) work amazingly well.
 
DuncanDisorderly said:
Another LR3 v LR4 comparison for you.....

LR3 (Process 2010 in LR4)
i-dzwjg6F-M.jpg

LR4
i-42L2KVT-M.jpg


Both variations have the same grad, same crop and same white balance.
The the rest of the processing aimed to show the rays of Sun while keeping the foreground looking lush.

The huge difference is that in process 2010 the Recovery slider does not show detail in the area close to the sun and I cannot stop the highlights clipping.
By comparison process 2012 needed a tiny tweak to Highlights and clipping was gone. The amount of detail recovered around the Sun is amazing and I've backed the slider off to make it look more natural. Unlike Fill-Light, the Shadows slider didn't detriment the rays of Sun, so I've been able to use it more aggressively to make the foreground glow.

In short.....
LR4 has done some wonderful things to the tones in this image which I cannot replicate in LR3.
I think LR4 and I are going to get on just fine :)
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Fantastic detail in the shadows on the beach there with LR4. Having got a free copy of LR3 with my Panasonic G3 camera I've just ordered LR4 upgrade.
 
My student edition order is finally in the post!
 
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