Lance Armstrong

MG TF 135 said:
Err no. The only way forward is to have zero tolerance. If you cheat you get banned FOR LIFE. No second chances.

Moving forward, every rider in the peloton gets drug tested at the start of every tour stage. If they don't take the test they are assumed to be cheating and get suspended until they pass multiple tests.

As I've already noted this should herald a new start for cycling. A era where there is no doubt that competition is clean. But in the same breathe, to ignore your past is to condemn your future.
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Too true.
 
MG TF 135 said:
Back in June i wrote this post in response to the initial USADA claims and accusations against LA.

Having been a fan of LA since my teens i was firm in my views that he could not have been a drug cheat. Firm in believing that this true legend in not only cycling but sport as a whole could not have possibly danced with the devil.

It seems i and many other fans were wrong.

The sheer amount of riders and associates that have come forward to testify against LA is astonishing. The weight of evidence is huge. At some point even the most die hard fan has to admit there has to be some fire beneath that smoke. Even if some of the evidence is provided by some former colleagues that have agenda's themselves, such as receiving reduced bans.

As a result of the USADA report though there are many more questions that need to be answered.
How was the LA cheating not detected when he was using the same drugs as others that were caught?
How could riders actively avoid drug tests to such an extent that they could get away with 'glowing' for large portions of the season?
How could the UCI seem to be diverting attention away from LA for so long?
How can drug cheats still be active in the sport?

The last week has been a dark week for cycling, but also a very bright week. A week that could herald the real dawn of a new era, an era where supporters and sport fans in general can watch cycling confident that all IS what it seems.

At the forefront of this new dawn are British cyclists that are staunch in saying NO to drug cheats. Cavendish, Frome, Wiggins are the new breed. The clean breed. Legends in the making.

This week we lost a king, but gained renewed hope.
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Well said Martyn, as a cycling fan, I and many others (yourself included), marvelled at his feats in the TdF.
Now we have the reality of the situation, nd it is time to look to the future, and hope that every single piece of the "tumour" which has eaten away at cycling is eradicated.
I really hope that Wiggo, Cav and Froome are clean, but like others I cannot be sure.
Armstrong and others have damaged the sport beyong belief.
I just wish that other sports were as up front as cycling in dealing with the problem of doping.
 
A great shame that a Cyclist who brought such pleasure to so many Cycling fans has finally been exposed as possibly the greatest drugs cheat in History

I hope he dissapears of the Radar now and Cycling can move on
we appear to be in a new era of cycling superstars and it is great that UK riders are at the forefront of it all
 
Buttkicker said:
we appear to be in a new era of cycling superstars and it is great that UK riders are at the forefront of it all
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yeah but how many of them are actually clean ?
 
We don't know - that my point, people used to hold Lance up as an example because of all the drug tests he passed- but he wasn't clean, so how do we do that any of this shining new generation are clean either ?

thats the trouble with widespread drugging, it brings the whole sport into disrepute
 
big soft moose said:
We don't know - that my point, people used to hold Lance up as an example because of all the drug tests he passed- but he wasn't clean, so how do we do that any of this shining new generation are clean either ?

thats the trouble with widespread drugging, it brings the whole sport into disrepute
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The times races are completed in are a big clue. I can't recall the numbers from top of my head but there's a substantial difference between the speed Lance in his 'prime' completed stages of the Tour De France, and the time we've seen the same stages done in the last few years.

No doubt some will still be doping, just like some participants in all elite sport will be, but as a whole I do think it's far less prolific than it was.
 
TriggerHappy said:
The times races are completed in are a big clue. I can't recall the numbers from top of my head but there's a substantial difference between the speed Lance in his 'prime' completed stages of the Tour De France, and the time we've seen the same stages done in the last few years.
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Channel 4 news was quoting about 6% faster average speed
 
He's a cheat.... Simples

It'll take a long time for the sport to recover and for fans to trust those partaking.
 
According to Twitter updates it seems like he might be doing a "tell-all" interview with Opera (pretty much right now) and has just emotionally apologised to staff at Livestrong.

Personally couldn't give a monkeys, but thought some might be interested.
 
He is one of "my 15" this year, and I am expecting bonus points!
 
For all the doubters.....I wish you would come 'clean' and say sorry for doubting your fantastic knowledge about Lance Armstrong's guilt.
 
tiler65 said:
For all the doubters.....I wish you would come 'clean' and say sorry for doubting your fantastic knowledge about Lance Armstrong's guilt.
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Trolling much?
 
Seams to be getting off very lightly. Should he be made to payback and prize money from falsely winning over the years?

How the mighty fall. Pain is temporary, quitting lasts forever, and using drugs is cheating :(
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Trolling much?
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You really are a joke, you spout on about how innocent he is and will not bow to my far superior knowledge about the matter.

It is people like you that let cheats thrive.

And just for the purpose of a discussion (like a forum is, by the way) how come the term trolling is not used when you are having a face to face discussion? The term trolling has been 'invented' so people who are wrong can use it as a defence and hide behind it therefore claiming to be a hurt party in an Internet forum.
 
OK....... I hereby do fully retract all my previous comments about Lance - whereby I "defended" him on here.

He is officially a cheating c-unit!

I now regret buying his books, reading the stories, and thinking "wow!"

However Ladbrokes, my £50 at 11/10 for a 7th Tour has been collected and spent, and no you are not getting it back!

What a letdown!

Lance the loser.
 
Lynton said:
OK....... I hereby do fully retract all my previous comments about Lance - whereby I "defended" him on here.

He is officially a cheating c-unit!

I now regret buying his books, reading the stories, and thinking "wow!"

However Ladbrokes, my £50 at 11/10 for a 7th Tour has been collected and spent, and no you are not getting it back!

What a letdown!

Lance the loser.
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Lynton there have been many arguments on here about did he or didn't he and at the end of the Day cycling is the loser through people like him

I used to idolize the guy and it makes me sick... with all his lies and Lawsuits I really hope they all go after him now and just hope this is the start of a new era
 
Buttkicker said:
Lynton there have been many arguments on here about did he or didn't he and at the end of the Day cycling is the loser through people like him

I used to idolize the guy and it makes me sick... with all his lies and Lawsuits I really hope they all go after him now and just hope this is the start of a new era
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Not to mention a well-meaning charity that's been ripped apart by losing its talisman.

My opinion on Lance is somewhat split. On one hand Armstrong served as a symbol of strength after cancer for so many people and that did a lot of good for a lot of people. On the other hand he can no longer be that idol and he's hurt a lot of people with what he's done.

As much as I love cycling and hate cheating in sports, the real loser here is the charity and cancer suffers. What he's done to cycling pales into insignificance against that backdrop.

That said, nobody is beyond redemption in my eyes. Hopefully he can apply the same drive to redeeming himself as he did to successfully cheat and win in cycling.
 
How long should he go down for? Why? Perjury (he lied under oath when asked about drugging) amd obtaining money by deception for starters!
 
About that BBC list I thought at some point indurain has admitted/tested for drugs, I maybe wrong but it there in the back of my mind.

Talk now that cycling could be thrown out of the Olympics
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21034694?UA-33539253-1=



After a bit of a search, there was a hit of trouble, but no action taken/needed.

MIGUEL INDURAIN, the four-times Tour De France winner, should not be punished for testing positive for a drug banned in France, according to Prince Alexandre de Merode, the head of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission.
De Merode said yesterday he had spoken to the International Cycling Union and supported their position that Indurain was taking a drug that both the IOC and UCI allowed asthma sufferers to use.

Indurain tested positive after the Tour de L'Oise on 15 May, for the drug Salbutamol, which is found in some inhalers used by asthma sufferers. It is on the IOC's list of banned or controlled substances but sportsmen with asthma were allowed to use it.

However, Salbutamol is banned altogether by the French sports ministry. - Prince Alexandre de Merode, confirmed yesterday that documents detailing 'five or six' positive dope tests were taken from his hotel room after the 1984 Los Angeles Games and destroyed.
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acetone said:
About that BBC list I thought at some point indurain has admitted/tested for drugs, I maybe wrong but it there in the back of my mind.

Talk now that cycling could be thrown out of the Olympics
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/21034694?UA-33539253-1=



After a bit of a search
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Whatever the accusations that Armstrong makes against the UCI, the fact is that he cheated.

If it is true that the UCI knew about it, then throw the UCI out too.
 
He was a "sporstman"....He cheated. He wasn't the first and he certainly won't be the last.
 
viv1969 said:
He was a "sporstman"....He cheated. He wasn't the first and he certainly won't be the last.
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True but not many sportsmen have gone to the extremes and sheer amount of court cases suing any one who dare mention the very thought of good old Lance cheating

the whole idea of total blood transfusion makes me shudder - and because of his massive efforts to get away with it - I believe he should be made a real example of, and every newspaper and individual he sued should go after him
 
I bet he could make a fortune by releasing a correct autobiography about what he actually did and how he got away with it. I'd certainly be interested in reading it and it would help find potential drug cheats by describing how he evaded capture for so long.
 
TopBanana said:
I bet he could make a fortune by releasing a correct autobiography about what he actually did and how he got away with it. I'd certainly be interested in reading it and it would help find potential drug cheats by describing how he evaded capture for so long.
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:shake: Yeah right, reward him for cheating and then reward him again for writing a book about it.
I wouldn't buy it, would anyone in their right mind want to give that scumbag any more money after the way he has behaved?
He has destroyed other cyclist's careers, he sued the Times newspaper - all based on lies.
I also want to see heads roll at the UCI (the two top dogs would be nice) and then a new regime, with totally new ideas take over.
One of our best ever cyclists has just retired, and this is what she says about it all:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/14/nicole-cooke-retirement-statement
 
andy700 said:
:shake: Yeah right, reward him for cheating and then reward him again for writing a book about it.
I wouldn't buy it, would anyone in their right mind want to give that scumbag any more money after the way he has behaved?
He has destroyed other cyclist's careers, he sued the Times newspaper - all based on lies.
I also want to see heads roll at the UCI (the two top dogs would be nice) and then a new regime, with totally new ideas take over.
One of our best ever cyclists has just retired, and this is what she says about it all:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/14/nicole-cooke-retirement-statement
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Fantastic interview.
 
I think brits take a different view to most countries. We hate cheats and call for life bans etc.. The US don't think this type of thing is as big a deal as us "win at all cost" mentality. I was shocked to here my Pittsburgh buddys attitude to the whole thing saying "It doesn't take away the fact he won the TDF 7 times" Actually mate yes it does. He also explained that US sportsmen (particularly baseball and foorball) are always failing drugs tests they continue to play, but they have a asterisk next to there name in the stats.

I wonder if his cancer was so aggressive due to the hormones he was taking?
 
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rjbell said:
I think brits take a different view to most countries. We hate cheats and call for life bans etc.. The US don't think this type of thing is as big a deal as us "win at all cost" mentality. I was shocked to here my Pittsburgh buddys attitude to the whole thing saying "It doesn't take away the fact he won the TDF 7 times" Actually mate yes it does. He also explained that US sportsmen (particularly baseball and foorball) are always failing drugs tests they continue to play, but they have a asterisk next to there name in the stats.

I wonder if his cancer was so aggressive due to the hormones he was taking?
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Doubt it. Some cancers are treated with hormone therapy.
 
TopBanana said:
I bet he could make a fortune by releasing a correct autobiography about what he actually did and how he got away with it. I'd certainly be interested in reading it and it would help find potential drug cheats by describing how he evaded capture for so long.
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Read Tyler Hamiltons book "The Secret Race". He was on Postal with Armstrong and it covers the doping operation fairly comprehensively.
 
Mike-a said:
Read Tyler Hamiltons book "The Secret Race". He was on Postal with Armstrong and it covers the doping operation fairly comprehensively.
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I've often wanted to read that book but my conscience always kicks in when I consider that he'll be getting some of my money.

From the link provided by someone else above:
Tyler Hamilton will make more money from his book describing how he cheated than Bessette or I will make in all our years of our honest labour. The situation requires the very basics of morality. Please don't reward people like Hamilton with money. That is the last thing he needs. Donate his literary prize and subsequent earnings from such publications to a charity. There are many places infinitely more deserving than the filthy hands of Hamilton. I am happy to offer some ideas!
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I bought it on Google Play so as not to give too much money to the cheating scum bag!
Good read though.
 
i would love to know how he "evaded" so many tests.

I would also love to meet him face to face and hand back his books..
 
...together with a kick in the testicle ? :lol:
 
Lynton said:
i would love to know how he "evaded" so many tests.

I would also love to meet him face to face and hand back his books..
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According to Tyler, first rule is to have a wife, she answers the door, says you are in the shower, in that 15 minutes you are drinking loads of water/popping in a drip.
He made it sound all really easy.

I would love to see Lance apologise to Lemond, Betsy/Frankie and his ex masseur, lives he tried to destroy..

Still wonder why the UCI allowed him to compete in the tour down under when he hadn't been under the UCI testing program for long enough...

This is why journalists should do their job and not be fans...The laughs at the end :thinking:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZgns7CXeUI
 
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