Jonathan Ross & Russell Brand- Should they be sacked?

Also it was a pre-recorded show, therefore the beeb should have picked it up themselves before it was aired.
 
fabs said:
There are many different problems in the world. Doesn't mean we are only allowed to duscuss the most important ones. BTW itr's "Handcart".
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It was more a reference to the fact that this is hardly a story worthy of infuriated national attention to the point where the Prime Minister feels the need to step in and make a puclic statement about it. And as for the means of transport to hell - not where I come from it isn't.

fabs said:
I'm pretty sure everyone here was stating their opinion and not for one minute implying that everyone else should have the same one. Having said that, bullying is NOT funny in any right minded persons mind and that was bullying, or is it different if it's done in public. Wait a minute, no, that's even more humiliating!
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No, bullying is not funny, but the statements far more frequently edged into "Ross/Brand are not funny" rather than "I don't think they're funny", eh?

fabs said:
As I've already said, in any other job that behaviour would be considered gross misconduct and they would suffer instant dismissal. Or do you think that it's OK if they are highly paid "entertainers"?
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I think you have to allow for the fact that in the job they do, they have to walk a line close to that. Prank phone calls have been a part of radio comedy for years, and this one was badly judged - but badly judged in a context where making a prank phone call is an acceptable thing to do. On the other hand, a fireman or a computer programmer making a nasty prank call hardly falls near their work remit. The margins of error are clearly different.

fabs said:
Well that's just reactionary ranting and not worth commenting on.
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Or is it fearsomely cutting social commentary? YOU DECIDE.

Better still, we'll get ITV to stage a reality TV show called the forum. Davina McCall can host it. It'll be brilliant

fabs said:
Now who's making judgements. Do you know his granddaughter? What if she does take advantage of it? Does it make the incident any better? I think not.
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That was mainly my roundabout way of saying she's a bit of a belter. And I would like to see her on the telly because of that. I never said the call was OK. I agree it wasn't funny, and a bad idea. But the day we start sacking people when they make a mistake that is eminently possible in their line of work, we'll sack doctors each time they misdiagnose, actors every time they forget a line, and jugglers every time their balls drop.
 
I always figured Russel Brand was a 15 minute wonder, now with him quitting I expect the next thing we hear he will be on I'm a d list celebrity get me out of here.

I have to say on reading the transcripts the 'incident' seemed to be driven more by JR though.
 
Hopkin Green Frog said:
It was more a reference to the fact that this is hardly a story worthy of infuriated national attention to the point where the Prime Minister feels the need to step in and make a puclic statement about it. And as for the means of transport to hell - not where I come from it isn't.
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I was only commenting about things said in this thread, not whatbthe prime minister does or says

Hopkin Green Frog said:
No, bullying is not funny, but the statements far more frequently edged into "Ross/Brand are not funny" rather than "I don't think they're funny", eh?
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I take it that everything said here is opinion, it would be tedious for everyone to have to say "I think/don't think" etc every time they type something

Hopkin Green Frog said:
I think you have to allow for the fact that in the job they do, they have to walk a line close to that. Prank phone calls have been a part of radio comedy for years, and this one was badly judged - but badly judged in a context where making a prank phone call is an acceptable thing to do. On the other hand, a fireman or a computer programmer making a nasty prank call hardly falls near their work remit. The margins of error are clearly different.
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I don't think we have to allow for that at all. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, especially where you cross the line. If you work that close to the line then you just have to be extra careful not to cross it.

Hopkin Green Frog said:
Or is it fearsomely cutting social commentary? YOU DECIDE.
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I already decided.

Hopkin Green Frog said:
..<snip> But the day we start sacking people when they make a mistake that is eminently possible in their line of work, we'll sack doctors each time they misdiagnose, actors every time they forget a line, and jugglers every time their balls drop.
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It's all about the effect those actions have on other people. If a doctor's misdiagnosis leads to unnecessary suffering and it can be proved they were incompetent, they can be struck off. No-one ever truly suffered from an actor forgetting his lines. People make misjudgments all the time and many are sacked. Although how you can call this a misjudgment is beyond me. By leaving a message on an old man's answerphone saying that you ****** his granddaughter, how could you possibly at any point think that it is OK! :shrug:
 
Hopkin Green Frog said:
I never said the call was OK. I agree it wasn't funny, and a bad idea. But the day we start sacking people when they make a mistake that is eminently possible in their line of work, we'll sack doctors each time they misdiagnose, actors every time they forget a line, and jugglers every time their balls drop.
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Well that clears that up, you're in agreement it wasn't funny and a bad idea.
However, I feel that everyone is entitled to make mistakes.

If they had just made the show, it went out, they realised what a cockup they made, then apologised properly, then fine...maybe a slap on the wrist or whatever....

However, just look at the 'apology' they gave. 'It seems we may have offended him.......it has been said by some people....." etc
Brand was even joking about it...calling him 'Andrew Sachs-appeal'.
Even in the apology he was taking the ****.


Seems Brand has resigned from the BBC now anyway. Good. Less of his mug on the box, the better.
 
BTW, I agree. Complaints, sackings, and resignations aside....the granddaughter is certainly a jolly fine bit of crumpet :D
 
Thing is it wasn't a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing and it was with intent to humiliate someone who had nothing to do with the situation on national radio. That doesn't strike me as particularly funny :shrug:

They should have been sacked, end of.
 
I notice Ross isn't quite as keen as Brand to fall on his sword, I wonder why?

18Million quid.
 
Dave P said:
SACK them both. Neither of them are funny in the least,
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i dont know if you know this, but some people find different things funny. I dont particularly like Ross, but some of the things Russel Brand has done have made me laugh.

If the BBC sacked everyone that wasnt funny then there would be a huge queue at shephards bush job centre on monday morning.


At the end of the day this 'news' story shouldnt be headline news especially when much more important things are going on in the world. They screwed up, they apologised, Andrew Sachs accepted it, end of story.

(i'd promised myself i'd stay away from any more Daily Mail fueled discussions, but i guess i just cant resist) :)
 
You cant really say 'sack them' just because you don't like them, that's bias. You've got to look at what they actually DID. Yes, they stepped the line, by a leap & a jump IMO, and I dont really like either of them, but I dont think they should be sacked. A firm rollocking, yes, a slap on the wrist and tell them that they're on their last warning, but sacking them is a bit much IMO. The PM's been involved, and possibly the police? Jesus wept, as if the country can be put on hold whilst someone sorts out a couple of pranksters on a radio show.

You've gotta think of it like this:-

If it was two of your favourite actors/singers/celbrities, and you absolutely LOVED them, would you still be saying 'sack them both'?
 
Can't really compare the prank that RB and JR pulled with that of the actions that Gary Glitter performed really dude.
 
If I made this type of phone call to a neighbour I could be arrested for making obscene phone calls why have they not?

I like both of them and think they are both funny but I think both should of been sacked and the producer who gave the thumbs up to play the tape should be sacked as well.
 
The producer/s that allowed this PRE-RECORDED show to go out should be pictured, named, shamed and sacked.

Brand and Ross certainly overstepped the mark and should be punished for doing so, but, the producer who let the show go to air must bear even more responsibility than the idiots he had working for him.

Far too frequently nowadays those in position of authority fail miserably at their job yet suffer no consequences whatsoever.
 
When you look at it though. Which is worse, two people calling up an old man and chatting obscenities down the phone......4 times.
Or, airing such a phone call.

They should all be punished for their part in it.
 
No offense, but who cares?

It makes no difference to me if they get sacked or not. Yes it appears they did something wrong (I've not heard and don't want to). Another boyhood prank gone wrong.

Really wish peeps and the media weren't making such a song an dance about it.
 
Kerioak said:
How many of us would even have known about it if it was not for the media keep going on about it - I bet Gordon Brown is delighted as it has pushed the economic situation off the headlines
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Only 2 people complained after the initial airing on Brand's show, but judging by his popularity amongst posters on this thread that may well have been all of the listeners :lol:
 
I haven't read all the thread, but what's incredible is that these two hadn't got the wit between them to see that they were well outside the bounds of what is acceptable behaviour, but I can't say it's surprising from either of them!

This wasn't a live show though, and the whole thing could so easily have been edited out, so the blame lies well up the pecking order in the BBC too. The only reason they've finally responded as they have is because of the growing public outrage, and the fact that they have to take note of the people who provide the money.... us!

Ross should be sacked. He'll have no trouble getting work on other channels anyway, but nowhere near the money he's getting paid by the Beeb out of our pockets.
 
CT said:
This wasn't a live show though, and the whole thing could so easily have been edited out, so the blame lies well up the pecking order in the BBC too.
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Part of the trouble lies in that the show was produced by an outside company, one that happened to be owned by Russell Brand. To flag the content as inappropriate the producer would have had to censor his own boss, which, let's be honest, isn't going to happen and the BBC producer who was next in the food chain probably just rubber-stamped the approval form...
 
12 week suspension for Ross. (Unpaid) Not going to be sacked then...:(
 
I quite like Jonathan Ross and he sometimes makes me laugh but every time I see him he reminds me more and more of Frankie Howard both in looks and mannerisms

When he does his late night show and an attractive female guest is on his behaviour isn't funny, it's embarrassing, they laugh but I bet they're thinking, ******
 
Ross will have a nice break with his family over Christmas, do the occasional bit of work for other channels, host the odd event. He's hardly going to feel the loss of £1m when he earns £6m a year anyway + and other commercial stuff he does.

P.s. What's happening to all the people who work on Friday night with? Aren't they loosing out too?
 
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