Jonathan Ross & Russell Brand- Should they be sacked?

Marcel said:
I don't think Wossy should be sacked, it was more of an error of judgement on a long standing 'clean' career.

Brand however should be shot on sight. He is an unfunny talentless scruffy tool who doesn't deserve any airtime whatsoever.
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An error of judgement yes just like Joey Barton and his error of judgement in hitting somebody twice.

No its not an error its ther behaviour of a pair of scumbags from the gutter who should be sacked forthwith,however they wont be because like Barton they are fawned over whatever they do and appear to be fireproof
 
Galaxy66 said:
Me too I find Russel Brand nauseating, I do not understand how they find him entertaining although millions must do or he would not be one of the highest paid.
As for Jonathan Ross, he is one of those entertainers that have managed to extract laughter from any rubbish that comes out of his mouth.

I appreciate others love them and it is all down to the individuals personal taste and sense of humour, but, I can not stand either of them and they are not for my sense of humour and values.

YES THEY SHOULD BE SACKED
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You took the words right out of my mouth. I, too, find Wossy and Bland so irritating it's beyond belief.
Still, a million flies hovering over a pile of s**t can't be wrong, can they?
 
I can't stand RB and can only just about take JR, but........

Galaxy66 said:
YES THEY SHOULD BE SACKED
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Why?

The point everyone seems to be missing is the interview was pre-recorded.

The whole point of pre-recording something is you can say things you wouldn't say live on-air. The blame falls totally at the feet of the producers who decided to leave the interview in and broadcast it as it was. I would bet RB and JR would not have said those things if they had been live, so you can't blame them..........
 
fabs said:
But they still left those messages on the poor guy's answerphone so it's irrelevant wheter it was broadcast live or prerecorded IMO.
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There is HUGE difference between ringing someone off-air and leaving a message on their machine (so it is only you and them who will hear it) and broadcasting it to millions.

I still say the fault lies squarely at the feet of the producers.
 
JumboBeef said:
There is HUGE difference between ringing someone off-air and leaving a message on their machine (so it is only you and them who will hear it) and broadcasting it to millions.

I still say the fault lies squarely at the feet of the producers.
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Leaving messages like that on someone's answerphone is vile whether it's done privately or broadcast. If you do something that vile whilst at work, then it gross misconduct and in any other walk of life that would mean the sack!
 
Sack the pair of em, Wossy is not funny and Brand should just be shot somewhere painfull and left to fester, talentless gimp:D
 
I reckon the publicity the grand-daughter is getting will give her career a MASSIVE boost - in the short term at least.

Apparently 2 people complained about the original transmission with the rest being drummed up by the Daily Mail. Anyone here actually hear the transmission? If so, did they complain about it?
 
I couldn't care less to be honest. Their are very strict broadcasting rules, so if anything is found to be 'wrong' then something will be done. Doesn't directly effect more or remotely interest me really.
 
The blame should lie with everyone concerned.

Wossy and Scruffy for actually doing it
The producer for allowing it to happen
The editor for allowing it to go ahead
The editor in chief for allowing his staff to broadcast it


By error of judgment, I meant it was a stupid thing to do, but when you look at his whole career, it's not his normal behaviour. Maybe he got caught up in the moment of doing it? Everyones allowed to make mistakes I suppose, but how they are punished depends on how much responsibility they take for their mistakes.
If it was a first time doing something (like I think it is for wossy), he takes responsibility for his error of judgement, apologises and makes amends for what he's done, fair enough, strike one, slap on the wrist.

But brand....this is who he is. All his 'comedy' is just to shock and offend, for cheap laughs. He's a talentless tool, and didn't even have the audacity to be truly apologetic.

As a broadcaster the BBC have a duty to set the standard, which wossy does for the most part. His show is actually entertaining and informative normally.

I hear today, complains have reached over 4,500 and OFCOM have launched an investigation.

Good. To do this to anyone under the guise of 'humour' is just wrong, but to do it to the legend that is Manuel is just sickening. He's an icon!
He appeared in only 12 episodes, and he achieved more laughs and showed more talent than Brand ever has ;)
 
I hate russel brand, and tbh I wasn't suprised when I read he was involved because as said, its not the first time he's done something like this.
But I was really suprised and disappointed at Jonathon Ross, he is my favourite TV presenter and makes me laugh alot with the Friday Night show, and I'm quite shocked that he would stoop to Brand's level, especially since I've read that off camera he is a shy, reclusive individual. Perhaps he was just trying to be one of the boys and, as said, made an error of judgement
 
imagine if you returned home to such a message how would you feel?

its a criminal offence and against all decency

i would prosecute and sack them and the snivelling bbc controller who won't answer straight questions on the news this afty
 
Channel 4 is plugging RB's show during every break, it seems.
 
Marcel said:
There's a difference between being funny, and just being rude for cheap laughs though.
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How true, it was disappointing to take my 8 year old daughter to watch Ghost Town (Ricky Gervais latest 12 A film) to hear the F word three times :(

Can't imagine oldschools like Tommy Cooper, Hancock or Les Dawson taking it down to this level to get a laugh.
 
Both Brand and Ross have been suspended from broadcasting, until a report into the incident has been completed.

Good. :D
 
Edited as I've changed my mind - don't want to get involved now.
 
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Rozzy said:
I just read the transcript and laughed my head off, am I a wrong'un?
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Yes

Rozzy said:
c'mon, if we all got off our soapboxes, then it is pretty funny, alright, Mr sachs might not think so, but isnt most comedy at someone elses expense? and as far as the lovely georgina, well id sort her out ;)
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It's not a matter of getting on our soapboxes, it's the fact they did this to a 78 year old man.

Some of the transcript:


JR: “He f***** your granddaughter!” (laughter)... I’m sorry I apologise.

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“So while he’s listening to the messages he’s looking at a picture of her about nine on a swing.”

RB: “She was on a swing when I met her. Oh no!”

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I said some things I didn’t of oughta, like I had sex with your granddaughter.

“But it was consensual and she wasn’t menstrual it was consensual lovely sex.

JR: “And probably enjoyed her.”
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All I can say is I'm glad it wasn't my father or grandfather they called because they would have more than a complaint to deal with. How would you like it if one of your elderly relatives was on the receiving end of this, would you still find it funny? Would it still be funny if Mr Sachs had a heart attack when listening to this?

This type of 'humour' is childish, lacks imagination and can not be labelled as comedy. Both of them should be sacked at the very least but we all know this isn't going to happen.
 
I struggle to watch Ross's TV chat show without cringing. He has two modes. Mode 1 (I love my guest) - here he’s a fawning, sycophant and when interviewing attractive women he behaves like a pervy old lecher. Mode 2 (I loathe my guest) - here he behaves in a rude, aggressive and bullying manner and tries to score cheap laughs with his audience by belittling his guests. Either way it's unpleasant and is more about Ross than his guests.

As for Brand - not sure I get him at all. Comes across as a egoistic self publicist.

Somewhere some overworked and lowly paid minor executive who was given a little authority and no guidance will get the blame for allowing the piece to air. After all when the Director of Radio calls for an internal investigation he's hardly likely to blame himself. That would be like the captain going down with his ship. This is the HMS BBC - Captain off first before the women and children and let's blame the third stoker!!
 
Oh well, they've now been SUSPENDED - still on full pay though I'll bet :|
 
It's a bigger crime that the BBC make us pay a license fee, and then use it to pay the likes of Ross £6 million a year.
You have to be good to earn that much and he's not good!

Keith.
 
SACK them both. Neither of them are funny in the least, and just what kind of role models do they make for the yob culture of this country.
Put yourselves in the position of Mr Sachs and his grandaughter. just how would you feel.
I object to my licence fee being used to pay cretins like these two.
 
SACK them both. Neither of them are funny in the least, and just what kind of role models do they make for the yob culture of this country.
Put yourselves in the position of Mr Sachs and his granddaughter. just how would you feel.
I object to my licence fee being used to pay cretins like these two.
 
It's like being surrounded by Daily Mail readers... oh, that's exactly what you are!!!...

What have Brand and Ross done that's so bad? They did a naughty section (stating a fact that's yet to be denided about Brand and Sachs' GD) – it's not the end of the world.

And I have listend to the show, which I doubt any of the 10,000 complainers did. It's usual Ross and Brand humour - you have the option to turn it off.

They are typical English buffoons, going one step too far but wihout any malice. Jesus, at least it's a bit more interesting than the crap being broadcast on Radio 1.

The BBC pre-recorded the show so it's the 'censors' within the BBC that should be held to account, not R & B. If we're going to talk about a distasteful waste of licence payer's money then let's look at Little Britain USA.

I'm sure we'll get over it, just like we got over a 'role model' like Kate Moss snorting coke or Some silly **** at the treasury overlooking the whole economic spending crisis.

It seems to only suit people to turn a blind eye when the vocal majority says so. If the whingers weren't whinging then this would be old news by now and we'd be left wondering why the hell Gordon Brown is sticking his oar in when he has a country in recession to sort out.

This mamby-pamby Mary Whitehouse-esque meddling ****s me off big-style
 
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I should ban you for that insult.
I mean, calling me a Daily Mail reader..that's just.....WAY below the belt :D

It wasn't just about it being aired though, it was about them actually doing it too.
 
Marcel, like Brand & Ross, I shall offer a late apology for a most horrific insult... the Dail Mail tag is something only the wicked should be burdoned with!! :)

I think they know they'd done bad as soon as they'd said it but just dug a hole for themselves. Cest L' Vie and all that..
 
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Sack them both, not an ounce of talent between them.
 
specialman said:
It's like being surrounded by Daily Mail readers... oh, that's exactly what you are!!!...

What have Brand and Ross done that's so bad? They did a naughty section (stating a fact that's yet to be denided about Brand and Sachs' GD) – it's not the end of the world.

And I have listend to the show, which I doubt any of the 10,000 complainers did. It's usual Ross and Brand humour - you have the option to turn it off.

They are typical English buffoons, going one step too far but wihout any malice. Jesus, at least it's a bit more interesting than the crap being broadcast on Radio 1.

The BBC pre-recorded the show so it's the 'censors' within the BBC that should be held to account, not R & B. If we're going to talk about a distasteful waste of licence payer's money then let's look at Little Britain USA.

I'm sure we'll get over it, just like we got over a 'role model' like Kate Moss snorting coke or Some silly **** at the treasury overlooking the whole economic spending crisis.

It seems to only suit people to turn a blind eye when the vocal majority says so. If the whingers weren't whinging then this would be old news by now and we'd be left wondering why the hell Gordon Brown is sticking his oar in when he has a country in recession to sort out.

This mamby-pamby Mary Whitehouse-esque meddling ****s me off big-style
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QFT

I'm glad everyone's found something important to worry about when the economy's going to hell in a handbasket and our civil liberties are being eroded at every turn.

To those who say Ross and Brand aren't funny, I'm glad we've managed to reach the point where comedy can be judged completely objectively like that, and I'm glad you're all around to decide what and who is funny for the rest of us - god forbid we should have the temerity to do that ourselves. These are two guys who's job it is to be funny, a job at which they frequently succeed (far more than I suspect most of you guys would). In any job, people make mistakes, and I agree that that was an ill-considered segment, but how many bad shots do you people reject from an average shoot?

I'm trying to imagine a world in which knee-jerk daily-mail-mainlining reactionaries get to decide what everyone should be able to watch, send out pamphlets providing lists of funny/not funny. Perhaps in the future they'll create a special ministry, put it next to the Islington Police Centre for McCarthyist Terrorist Identification. It was a cock up, and one that Sachs granddaughter will, I guarantee take full advantage of. So it's not all bad, we might get to see her on the telly.
 
I'd be surprised if they're sacked; after all, the commercial impact will have the final say and they're probably worth more to the BBC than without them..

I reckon they'll get a severe reprimand, big slap on the wrist.

As has been pointed out above, they are meant to be role models, I think society has gone too far. I only have to sit in Norwich for a couple of hours and watch yobs taunting the elderly etc. Ross and Brand's actions are hardly making society better, just making everything into a big unfunny joke.

They do deserve the sack IMO, as do the editorial team who let this pass, and I agree with Marcel, the intention was there, hence the calls to Andrew Sach's answerphone.
 
I've never seen Russell Brand's show and I certainly haven't seen the toss that is Big Brother, which I believe he was on or had something to do with, so I don't know what he's like. Jonathan Ross I do quite like, he has his moments anyway. Based on the transcript above, I'm a bit disappointed by Jonathan Ross as I've always found his kind of comedy/humour a bit more clever than that. I'm not sure the crank call they made was exactly comedy. It was just insults. Seriously, what is remotely funny about ringing up some old fella - Manuel or otherwise - and saying you'd ****ed his granddaughter? Perhaps it was amusing when you were 16 but come on. That's not comedy. It's certainly not comedy worthy of Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand's combined salary. I could ring up old guys all day and tell them I'd ****ed their granddaughters.
 
Suspend them on full pay...........

.........oh, they have!
 
while they are at it can the beeb not get rid of fat moyles off the radio as well
 
Hopkin Green Frog said:
QFT

I'm glad everyone's found something important to worry about when the economy's going to hell in a handbasket and our civil liberties are being eroded at every turn.
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There are many different problems in the world. Doesn't mean we are only allowed to duscuss the most important ones. BTW itr's "Handcart".

Hopkin Green Frog said:
To those who say Ross and Brand aren't funny, I'm glad we've managed to reach the point where comedy can be judged completely objectively like that, and I'm glad you're all around to decide what and who is funny for the rest of us
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I'm pretty sure everyone here was stating their opinion and not for one minute implying that everyone else should have the same one. Having said that, bullying is NOT funny in any right minded persons mind and that was bullying, or is it different if it's done in public. Wait a minute, no, that's even more humiliating!

Hopkin Green Frog said:
In any job, people make mistakes, and I agree that that was an ill-considered segment.
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As I've already said, in any other job that behaviour would be considered gross misconduct and they would suffer instant dismissal. Or do you think that it's OK if they are highly paid "entertainers"?

Hopkin Green Frog said:
I'm trying to imagine a world in which knee-jerk daily-mail-mainlining reactionaries get to decide what everyone should be able to watch, send out pamphlets providing lists of funny/not funny. Perhaps in the future they'll create a special ministry, put it next to the Islington Police Centre for McCarthyist Terrorist Identification.
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Well that's just reactionary ranting and not worth commenting on.

Hopkin Green Frog said:
It was a cock up, and one that Sachs granddaughter will, I guarantee take full advantage of. So it's not all bad, we might get to see her on the telly.
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Now who's making judgements. Do you know his granddaughter? What if she does take advantage of it? Does it make the incident any better? I think not.
 
I don't think they should be sacked, I can see how it was funny, but it was just probably a bit distasteful considering who it was too and the like.

Sacked? No. Punished? Yes.

Ross gets payed too much anyway, drop his wage imo.
 
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