Jared Polin & Ken Rockwell

I don't doubt any of that for a second. It's just kinda unfortunate, and a bit saddening really, that people ridicule or even dislike Americans for things that could and should be perceived as positive, life-affirming qualities. Openness, politeness, courteousness, positivity and optimism are something that we could do with a damn site more of in this country.

I think anyone who ridicules Americans (or any other nation) with no practical experience is ignorant and bigoted.

I keep going back to the fact that I lived over there so have probably seen and encountered things that a tourist or work visitor will not have experienced. I have vivid memories of the three drive-by shootings I witnessed, and of the Russian neighbour who shot one of his visitors across a card game (and half of the local sheriff's office had to occupy my flat from Christmas Eve to lunchtime on Christmas Day). I myself was shot at once when walking back from the supermarket, and I was not in what would be seen as a bad neighbourhood. I worried about things that I would never have to worry about over here, and many situations demanded caution (as advised by my American friends, who were usually the first to apologise for the failings of their countrymen). I enjoyed the openness but I think we have a different interpretation of politeness. I agree that the British are quite miserable and downtrodden, but we are like that in a harmless kind of way - dreary and grey by nature. In the USA I encountered great positivity and the depths of negativity - opinions were often highly polarised and politicized. I loved and dreaded my experiences in equal measure, but I reached a point where I wanted to leave. I am in constant contact with many of my American friends and you might be very surprised at how they feel about their country, and how some of them would give anything to be able to live elsewhere.
 
@Lindsay D You keep bringing up how you lived there but no-one's questioning what you're saying. The subject of how different cultures perceive themselves is another argument altogether, I thought the topic here was more how one person can be used to judge an entire nation?
 
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when someone is dumbstruck or even finds it laughable to be wished a nice day, I think that's more a damming indictment of our attitude as a nation than merely differences in the ways in which we talk.

I can imagine that a few British people would probably find that unexpected and fumble for a response - but I think most would find it pleasant and endearing. It sounds like your friend just encountered someone with very poor social skills!
 
I can imagine that a few British people would probably find that unexpected and fumble for a response - but I think most would find it pleasant and endearing. It sounds like your friend just encountered someone with very poor social skills!

You could very well be right.

But at the end of the day I bow to your experience in the matter, it must be a different kettle of fish altogether living out there.....you should write a book :-)
 
@Lindsay D You keep bringing up how you lived there but no-one's questioning what you're saying and again. I hope you're not repeatedly saying that to try invalidate anyone else's opinions?

I just wanted to say that when you live somewhere it really is very different than just being a temporary visitor. I know that, because that's how I started in the States. But the long-term experience was markedly different and I realised that some of the overwhelmingly positive things I came away with as a tourist were impressions rather than reality. That is not to say that there aren't fantastic things that I genuinely miss, I love the fact there were so many fun things to do and beautiful places to see, but life felt a little precarious at times and I did not always feel the sense of security that I had felt back home in the UK. I am not arguing with you - just trying to back up why I'm elaborating on some things.
 
I just wanted to say that when you live somewhere it really is very different than just being a temporary visitor. I know that, because that's how I started in the States. But the long-term experience was markedly different and I realised that some of the overwhelmingly positive things I came away with as a tourist were impressions rather than reality. That is not to say that there aren't fantastic things that I genuinely miss, I love the fact there were so many fun things to do and beautiful places to see, but life felt a little precarious at times and I did not always feel the sense of security that I had felt back home in the UK. I am not arguing with you - just trying to back up why I'm elaborating on some things.

Of course you experience a place differently when you spend an extended amount of time there. The longest I've spent in one country abroad was two months in Portugal, without doubt it was a different experience to someone having a week's holiday in the Algarve.

By the way I edited my original post, on reading it again it came across as rather offhand which wasn't my intention!
 
And your opinion here isn't pre-conceived? Have you ever actually been to the US?

I have indeed. I'll be going back this year too. Don't take something that was meant in jest to be anything more than that!
 
The longest I've spent in one country abroad was two months in Portugal, without doubt it was a different experience to someone having a week's holiday in the Algarve.

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Absolutely. The reality of adapting to a different culture (where pretty much everything is new and sometimes alien) can be quite strange. I've known friends who have been to Australia on holiday, and then gone through huge upheaval to move over there permanently and to enjoy a better life - only to find that their vision of the dream didn't really exist. The thing with holidays is that you are programmed to enjoy yourself - the places you go to and the activities you take part in are designed to give you pleasure and good memories.

When I was younger my father was in the Forces and as you can imagine we got moved around the globe each year. It can be really exciting at first, a bit like a holiday, and then it becomes tougher as you try to adapt and make new friends. There will always be things that you love and dislike about a place you have lived in. For example, when we lived in Germany it was during the Cold War and that was pretty interesting. I went to school on the RAF base at Bruggen but what I really wanted was German friends, not British ones who I could find anywhere. But it was really hard trying to get to know people in the village - not because they all disliked us, there were just different social conventions (back then you couldn't pop in to see someone if you were passing - you had to make an appointment first). Whenever we encountered behaviour which seemed harsh or even rude, we didn't take it personally, we just put it down to the fact that things were different and we had stuff to learn.

I think the British are in fact extremely welcoming of other cultures (although you will find bigots) and are very accommodating of the respective differences. I think the British go out of their way to be sympathetic to cultural and religious needs for example - that's very much evident in the workplace and I think most British people, if hosting visitors of different nationalities, will do their best to make sure that what is offered is appropriate. But in my travels, I have been expected to experience and enjoy what my hosts normally serve their guests, and to respect their customs, rather than have special treatment being afforded to me. I can't help feeling that that has helped me to have a much more enjoyable, engaging and interesting experience abroad - and that is exactly how I would want it.

I think things are simpler when the cultural divide appears to be at its biggest - where there is no common language, and probably no common way of doing things. This forces a different level of mutual respect and acknowledgement - and we know that we have to be aware of the local customs. But between English-speaking nations, such as America or Australia, I think it is more complicated at times with the 'bigger nations' perhaps expecting the smaller one to be a close facsimile of itself.

Just as there are things I found unpalatable during my time in the States, there are plenty of things that I wish were different here in the UK. I think the British are often bitter and resentful to each other - there is nothing worse than seeing someone else's success (hence the car keying I referred to earlier) and in my experience it is unlikely that your friends will celebrate with you. In the States it was quite different - they love success, they love successful people. If you are successful, then perhaps they can be as well - it's a great motivator. I really like that - when I was there, I felt I was able to achieve so much more than I could achieve back home, where being good at something is almost embarrassing. I envied the American way of self-promotion, which would be viewed as bragging over here. People were so much more confident, and that is seen as cockiness in the UK. But when I lived in California I saw crime at every turn - shooting, stealing, lying. It was so commonplace that people often assumed the worst of you and the openness which was so endearing one day might be humiliating the next. I saw an obsession with money above human values. I saw Californian women base their choice of boyfriend on how much money he earned, and men choose their partners on the size of their breasts. A generalisation? Perhaps, but I saw it all the time. I saw people victimised in the workplace for failing to share the religious ideals of the company employing them, and others suffering social exclusion for failing to attend the local church regularly (I am so grateful we are a secular society). Again, cultural differences, but nevertheless things that I think we need to be aware of on both sides, whilst perhaps understanding their origins.
 
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Some great points there @Lindsay D, especially in that last paragraph regarding success and how we view other people's.

I've just scanned through it but I'll have a proper read tomorrow. It's actually my birthday today and the pre-drink drinks have already started so my little brain has wandered elsewhere for now! :D
 
Some great points there @Lindsay D, especially in that last paragraph regarding success and how we view other people's.

I've just scanned through it but I'll have a proper read tomorrow. It's actually my birthday today and the pre-drink drinks have already started so my little brain has wandered elsewhere for now! :D

Happy birthday! :):clap:

I don't need to have a drink for my little brain to wander all over the place ... :LOL:
 
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Way off track now :D

Fro knows has several British fans as well. Sometimes he's worth a listen, other times (like when he sings) he's so annoying.
 
I used to like "fro" but he encourages so many people to work for free and Im not a fan of his now constant critique videos. I unsubscribed a few months back, whether he is back on track I dont know, he used to have informative videos and you could learn something from him, but now he is just all "show". I guess thats what happens when you get "too popular".

I am now a big fan of Aaron and Phlearn, though thats more to do with processing tricks, there has been some great videos from him (I find his videos easy to digest).
 
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Personally I've always found Rockwell's reviews and articles informative and useful. At least he explains why he suggests a course of action so I can make my own judgement.
 
I think Jared Polin's newest video is the worst yet. Right at the moment he gets his nipples out, which is right at the beginning.
 
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