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There are more ginger haired people up in my neck of the woods than down South.
Our local rugby club, when my son was in the team, had about 50% ginger haired kids in his year- this was attributed to one of the coaches
, who I'll call 'Andy'
Our local rugby club, when my son was in the team, had about 50% ginger haired kids in his year- this was attributed to one of the coaches
, who I'll call 'Andy'
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I hardly think the internet bullying is so simple as switch it off or it doesn't exist etc!
Pretty sure the parents of some of the kids effected quite badly would disagree with those blasé comments too.
Pretty sure the parents of some of the kids effected quite badly would disagree with those blasé comments too.
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Maybe its a generation thing, but surely if you are being bullied / annoyed by / getting p***ed off with someone, on FB whatever
you just block them.
When I was at school, bullying was never recognised, you just waited until you got the arse on their own, and gave them a good hiding, worked every time.
But of course that wouldn't be acceptable in today's love thy enemy culture, so while that exists the bullies will perpetuate.
And people need to realise there is a huge difference between bullying and p*** taking.
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But that's my point, have you asked/ spoken to anyone suffering from Internet bullying, a parent who maybe lost a child because they couldn't cope with the mental abuse? Do you seriously think it's got to be 'that easy'?
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As a fat person with red hair, you bet your arse I have Bobby.
But guess what, I chose to ignore them, and if they didn't get tired.....well then let me just say that standing up to bullies and ridiculing them right back works. 100% of the time.
I didn't run crying to others, not even to three older brothers.
I'm not in therapy 'cause of it....didn't write a book about how hard done to I was....Never been on Jeremy Kyle.
I just got on with it.
People need to stand up for themselves and understand that offense can't be given, only taken, and they need to take the bubble wrap off their kids.
OMG thanks porky I totally love ammunition ,this has now been stored in my things to amuse small minds folder hehehehehe
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Can't say that I have TBH
Yes I do. Rather than get "sucked in" the minute it starts "you" quit. As above with no audience, these so called bullies have nothing.
Kids need to wise up, and the parents need to tell them teach them how to.
Many kids are no where near as street wise or mature as they like to think they are, and as parents we need to teach them a few facts of life.
Or ban them from such sites until they are mature enough to handle it.
I fear for today's modern society TBH.
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Flowers or donations Jeff?OMG thanks porky I totally love ammunition ,this has now been stored in my things to amuse small minds folder hehehehehe
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OMG thanks porky I totally love ammunition ,this has now been stored in my things to amuse small minds folder hehehehehe
Fill ya boots!..it takes nothing from me.
You'll never be that important.
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Flowers or donations Jeff?
Nah....lack of imagination was never cited as a cause of death
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Fairy nuff, that saves me a job of having a whip roundNah....lack of imagination was never cited as a cause of death
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Exactly.
When they realise no one is buying their s*** it's over.
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So, what you're saying is, there's no need for moderators?
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There are multiple examples of online bullying, and sadly cases where children have killed themselves because of it. We all handle these things in different ways, Ruth above says she could take it, which is great for her but everyone is different and not everyone can take that approach.
In the increasing digital age we live in, I'm not quite sure what switching it off means really, but I suppose that means disabling all your accounts etc but why should you have to, better for the bullies to be tackled and stopped. Especially with the young the digital age is key in many ways and excluding yourself from that because you are being bullied might exclude you further.
The sad fact is you say people have no audience, but often I believe it can be group bullying and mocking of someone online, they might not have to read it but it perpetuates the bullying that occurs. I'm no expert as an aside, clearly..
My key point is we often judge things from how we would react, which you can see in this thread, not how others might react, which often we have no understanding of ourselves.
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So, what you're saying is, there's no need for moderators?
The problem there is no one here seems capable of using said off option
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Hardly at all these days, save move threads posted in the wrong place, point people in the right direction when they can't find "X" or can't do "y"
Its generally quite peaceful since more and more have found ( and learned to use) the ignore button. And / or voluntarily excluded them selves from contentious forums / threads
I think the younger generation have lost that ability TBH.
Or just block the contact(s) they must have been "invited" in the first place, that's what I was saying, parents need to educate their children in albeit different ways, in this digital age.
Or keep them away from social media until they are mature enough to handle it. Be that the recipient, or the so called abuser.
But that's the point, I could call you all sorts of silly sod's on a Falconry forum that I frequent,
but it means nothing to you as you would never see it.
I know you can't block me, ( as a mod) but as an ordinary member again, I could call you all sorts so you immediately block me.
Again, you never know what I said or indeed if I said anything. The only one that loses out is me, as the aggressor, sat here talking to myself.
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Much better to do it when they have an audience, their credibility is destroyed straight away. Everyone used to laugh at them and they lost the ability to incite fear in others.
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But, by your logic, that's their problem and shouldn't need any intervention to resolve.The problem there is no one here seems capable of using said off option
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Exactly.
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I agree that parents have a responsibility to educate their children in the perils of internet use etc. But I don't think as a parent you know if someone is 'mature' enough to handle online bullying, it happens to adults as well as children and until it happens you don't know how people will react, and they may well hide their feelings from parents \ friends etc, in the same way that it is often hard to spot someone who is suffering from depression but it outwardly happy.
As I said I'm not an expert, but I don't think for online bullying it's a simple case of blocking people.
In your case likely (..goes for quick scan of Falconry forms...) but I believe in many cases it is on 'shared' social sites etc that the person will become aware of one way or another.
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Sure, but I think you are missing the point (don't ban me). Ruth's point was that online bullying does not exist. It does. What you are Ruth are suggesting are solutions to dealing with it, your solution being don't look at it \ deal with it. So my point is it does exist and where you think it's as straightforward as just switching it off, it's clearly not for many people (and I don't know enough to argue that point fully but I am certain it occurs).
So if we accept online bullying occurs the solution could be what you and Ruth suggest which I'm sure works in some instances, but not all. If it does not work there may be other solutions but I don't believe it's as black and white as you think, or everyone is strong enough to 'fight' back or just take it.
Here is the NSPCC overview of online bullying, some of it is clear the person can't stop (or child in this instance) https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/child-abuse-and-neglect/online-abuse/what-is-online-abuse/
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So you think Cobra, who shares your views, is a colossal hypocrite for occupying a post he is ideologically opposed to?
Brave.
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So you think Cobra, who shares your views, is a colossal hypocrite for occupying a post he is ideologically opposed to?
Brave.
I can't speak for anyone else, so let's not try huh? Bravery's not really an issue, is it
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Online bullying often doesn't happen between one bully and victim and blocking them wouldn't make any difference they're probably not friends in the first place. It's more often than not groups with the inclusion of everyone but them. For example the bully will setup a group ' Sarah the slag f***ed Mr Jones in the changing rooms' then invites everyone except the victim. They go to school next day to whispers and laughter but don't know why.
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Exactly that... It's pretty much always groups and nowadays these bullies really are viscous and relentless
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Have anything to verify the "more often" claim?
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Unfortunately from first hand experience with my eldest I can confirm that theme is correct. We discussed with the school, gained advice, and for a few incidents even got CEOP involved. All consistently advised us exactly what @viv1969 has been saying; get yourself removed from the situation. Fast forward two years; no more online accounts, no social media, and the group of friends is stronger than ever. We also have our daughter back, a remarkable character change. It was tough, tough for us as well. I created a Electronic Devices contract just like larger corporations have, where we signed up to it, monitor the situation, and included the youngest as well. More parents have copies of that implemented and re-established clear rules and I've held talks on how to monitor, discuss and review the signs. It is tough to deal with, but as parent you have to take responsibility.
Anyway, I love the flabby liberals to coin a topical phrase
I get it a lot, and all I have to say is: "It's because I is a foreigner, init?" (Doesn't work as well in just words). Those that know me can barely control their laughter, the elitist flabby liberals have their jaws drop on the floor. Ice is broken, and we can continue...PS. I love redheads, loved them when I was younger as they increased my chances since everyone else was picking on them
Love them even more when they grow up as many turn into stunners Saying that, I always preferred blondes but married a brunette in the end. I guess its because I is a foreigner init 
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I can give you a list of the most common forms with the majority not needing direct contact with victim at all.
My partner is a school counsellor she deals with day in and day out.
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I'm not going to get into a silly argument about my use of the term "more often then not" I'll edit it to "just as often" if it makes you feel better.
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I don't believe I have ever bullied anyone, especially on here, if anyone thinks I have / they have been they are free to RT the site owners.
Did you find it?
I don't think that anyone would deny the fact that kids can be cruel and spiteful, probably mostly through jealousy,
but I can't help thinking that by giving them air time or reacting, in a negative way, we are pandering to their needs.
Attention seekers will always seek attention, even if that's a negative re-action.
But I still firmly believe the old rhyme we had at school
"Sticks and stones can break my bones,
but words can never hurt me."
Not today anyway
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More often than not a debate like this reveals a soft spot / memory in some people who obviously have more of an issue than they seem to be honest enough to reveal. Over compensating for the OP in a show of strength that never existed when it mattered most. Highlighting the ridicule they endured as a smoke screen against its effects at the time that are now either a deep wound not dealt with or a chip on the shoulder that will be carried for life.
Bullying is a often so unseen and so subtle that it effects the subconscious.
I was bullied by 1 lad a very overweight 8, 9 year old with red hair...I had red hair too but was very tall and slim. I give him a slapping in the playground and his grandfather who was picking him up grabbed me by the back of the neck, the poor b****r did not know my mum was standing there watching this and got a grip of him....My mum was not a woman you would mess with....He found that out, a complaint went in and a parent / head meeting was arranged and myself and the lad were told to make up.. we did and were ok after that.
Secondary School was different, funny though another very large / round lad just kept on with the attacks, until 3 years and I beat him up in the science lab. End of. I have more than enough closure on my bullying, but it appears some here don't.
Hope that changes in the future for anyone who has issues still with it.
Bullying is a often so unseen and so subtle that it effects the subconscious.
I was bullied by 1 lad a very overweight 8, 9 year old with red hair...I had red hair too but was very tall and slim. I give him a slapping in the playground and his grandfather who was picking him up grabbed me by the back of the neck, the poor b****r did not know my mum was standing there watching this and got a grip of him....My mum was not a woman you would mess with....He found that out, a complaint went in and a parent / head meeting was arranged and myself and the lad were told to make up.. we did and were ok after that.
Secondary School was different, funny though another very large / round lad just kept on with the attacks, until 3 years and I beat him up in the science lab. End of. I have more than enough closure on my bullying, but it appears some here don't.
Hope that changes in the future for anyone who has issues still with it.
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You you declare your peaceful closure with your own issues, whilst suggesting others are putting forth a smoke screen regarding theirs.
You don't half talk some b0ll0x sometimes :lol;