Its OK as it not illegal. Well its only hair! equality, so far to go still

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That is mocking a person for his / her hair colour.

When I was a lad growing up in Liverpool, (Skitting Capital) It was a free for all! It mattered not what retort I used as a come back from the many red hair jibes I received. Now its not such a level playing-field though is it! and I see on here some are more than happy to draw attention to a persons hair colour as a way of demeaning them as a person, in the normal way, you know subtle like.

Ginger bashing is alive and well here as it is all over and its acceptable by all and everyone unless you are the recipient of course. If we truly want equality then it should be just as repugnant to call people for the colour of there hair as it is for the colour of their skin, the appearance of their eyes or anything else for that matter.

A recent conversation with a bobby who informed me of all the things that were now classed as hate crimes, including verbal attacks on disabled people (who does that?) slagging off anyone because of hair colour is not one of them. unless violence or threat is felt by the recipient.

Equality, so far to go..........
 
So Tp's discussion of the day is: ginger?

Ok being serious for a minute, in this day I think you'll find there is a lot of love for the gingers.
They are considered 'hot' and 'cool' according to my 17yr old daughter
Plus you all get 'love a ginger' day...or something to that effect.
:D
 
I agree they took the most stick when i was in school. It seems that redheads and overweight people are the only parts of our community that bullies get away with bullying these days so take the full brunt.
 
We all get stick for something, especially as kids, be it your recent haircut, having a spot/zit on yer conk.......... it's endless, that's life!
Heck folk don't tell jokes & have a laugh like we used to, even certain discussions are done with a glance over the shoulder for fear someone overhears & `reports` you.
When did we all become so precious, easily offended & inhibited?

It won't be too many years before unintentionally upsetting someone will be illegal. We've become a soppy society & the PC brigade have a lot to answer for.
 
i thought they had special clubs and places for gingers these days i have seen it in a t.v program i'm sure of that ,dont you also have a leader whats er name ,ah i remember catherine tait .send her a e-mail you might be able to organise a rally in terra-de-fuego or somewhere equally nice .:woot::woot::woot: :whistle:
 
Ive never understood the problem people have with ginger hair, I think it looks quiet striking.

I often wish I had ginger hair, actually I wish I had any hair at all.
 
Anyone who feels demeaned because someone makes a less than complimentary comment regarding the colour of their hair needs to look around and see all the REAL things there are to be upset about.

I agree with Carl @OldCarlos .....When did humans become such delicate little flowers?
 
Pah, I get the p*** ripped out of me all the time. I have bits of ginger coming through (I've been blonde all my life really), my beard goes ginger if it ever grows (and only ever grows in bits...patchy ginger bits). My eyebrows look non existent and I'm constantly accused of either having none in the first place, or of shaving them, leaving behind red skin.

And I still joke about it. Life's too serious to get hung up on it.
If I was forced to work as a slave because of it, there'd be an issue. However I'm not, it's just p*** taking, so I don't care.

And I'm fat too.

I still jokingly threaten to "Shut up or I'll beat you like a ginger stepchild".
 
OldCarlos said:
We all get stick for something, especially as kids, be it your recent haircut, having a spot/zit on yer conk.......... it's endless, that's life!
Heck folk don't tell jokes & have a laugh like we used to, even certain discussions are done with a glance over the shoulder for fear someone overhears & `reports` you.
When did we all become so precious, easily offended & inhibited?

It won't be too many years before unintentionally upsetting someone will be illegal. We've become a soppy society & the PC brigade have a lot to answer for.
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I absolutely agree with this!!!!

I got the mickey taken out of me at school for load of different things but that taught me life isn't always a bed of roses and sometimes people are just a-holes for no particular reason. I did also get bullied by a couple of kids and that was dealt with accordingly.

The problem now is it seems ANYTHING negative said to another person (especially kids) is classed as bullying, in which case by today's standards I (along with most people who went through school before the 90s) was bullied constantly throughout my school life, which is obviously a complete nonsense!!

When one of my cousins was about 6 (just over 20 years ago) his Mum was called up to the school because he had been racist to a girl in his class. His Mum asked him if he knew was being racist was and understandably he said no. The teacher went on to say that he had said to a Russian girl in his class "You're a cow because you're from MosCOW"........ Racist.... definitely not, bullying nope..... Quite clever for a 6 year old.... absolutely! I will add however, if he carried on picking on this one girl about being Russian then that would move into the category of bullying.

I know redheads do get a pretty hard time over the colour of their hair and/or their pale complexion but probably no more than someone with glasses being called four-eyes, a bald person being called baldie or a fat person being called a fatty.

In the heat of the moment, if we're having a disagreement and it's getting personal we tend to pick on an obvious difference, that's not bullying, that's just an argument.
 
My son is ginger. I actually find people are embarrassed to acknowledge his hair colour. He recently went to pre-school as Ron Weasley, he was dressed in the uniform that i'd covered in dust, messy ginger hair, odd shoes and carrying a rat. The other parents all called him Harry Potter. When I said he was Ron they all did their best fake surprise and an "oh yes his hair, of course he's Ron" act.

What annoys me most though are the "strawberry blonde" references. He's not strawberry blonde, he's ginger!
 
Thornbridge make a nice Strawberry Blonde ale.

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OldCarlos said:
We've become a soppy society & the PC brigade have a lot to answer for.
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Absolutely (y)

I used to have quite a fetching ginger beard, ( with black hair) when I was younger.
Sadly its now grey, but very distinguished I hasten to add (y)

Oh and the black hair is not quite so thick or black as it used to be either.
:D

edit and in support of "Gingers" I think that ginger haired women, especially with freckles are cute looking :thumbs:
 
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viv1969 said:
Anyone who feels demeaned because someone makes a less than complimentary comment regarding the colour of their hair needs to look around and see all the REAL things there are to be upset about.

I agree with Carl @OldCarlos .....When did humans become such delicate little flowers?
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I take it youve never been bullied or ridiculed constantly then?
Apart from on here, obviously.
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
I take it youve never been bullied or ridiculed constantly then?
Apart from on here, obviously.
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As a fat person with red hair, you bet your arse I have Bobby.
But guess what, I chose to ignore them, and if they didn't get tired.....well then let me just say that standing up to bullies and ridiculing them right back works. 100% of the time.
I didn't run crying to others, not even to three older brothers.
I'm not in therapy 'cause of it....didn't write a book about how hard done to I was....Never been on Jeremy Kyle. :D
I just got on with it.
People need to stand up for themselves and understand that offense can't be given, only taken, and they need to take the bubble wrap off their kids.
 
viv1969 said:
I'm not in therapy 'cause of it....didn't write a book about how hard done to I was....Never been on Jeremy Kyle. :D
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Money spinner right there :thumbs:

Or at the very least a compensation claim against the school :D
 
viv1969 said:
Anyone who feels demeaned because someone makes a less than complimentary comment regarding the colour of their hair needs to look around and see all the REAL things there are to be upset about.

I agree with Carl @OldCarlos .....When did humans become such delicate little flowers?
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I agree with you up to a point , when my 6 year old and 9 year old come home form school on a weekly basis crying as they get mocked all week in the play ground because of their hair colour , I'm of the attitude that it will harden them but it's still not good to watch your kids like that
 
stumac said:
I agree with you up to a point , when my 6 year old and 9 year old come home form school on a weekly basis crying as they get mocked all week in the play ground because of their hair colour , I'm of the attitude that it will harden them but it's still not good to watch your kids like that
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Of course it's not, can totally understand that.
Teach them the power of words Stu....and if needs be, how to punch! :-)
(Not ideal....but only one good one ever required). ;)
 
viv1969 said:
Of course it's not, can totally understand that.
Teach them the power of words Stu....and if needs be, how to punch! :)
(Not ideal....but only one good one ever required). ;)
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Indeed ,I'm trying to fit an ignore button in their mind , as I say I will help harden them and will do them no harm
 
viv1969 said:
Anyone who feels demeaned because someone makes a less than complimentary comment regarding the colour of their hair needs to look around and see all the REAL things there are to be upset about.
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Unsympathetic.

You've missed out Hitler in there somewhere. A thread to gauge the responses here. I posted because of inequality in the list of hate crimes I mean whats good for the goose is good for the gander! but it seems not.


ecoleman said:
What happened to the good old days of sorting things out in the toilets at break time.
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That is now assault. Used to be kids fighting in my day and its how I sorted my own school day issues out, simple really.
 
stumac said:
Indeed ,I'm trying to fit an ignore button in their mind , as I say I will help harden them and will do them no harm
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Indeed Stuart if they retaliate with a good zinger about something it may well be taken as a hate crime, best they just put up with it. Schools have a duty now to report some things kids say! Calling a kid a ginger xxxxxx is not one of them.

Just dont like the unequal standards.
 
viv1969 said:
Of course it's not, can totally understand that.
Teach them the power of words Stu....and if needs be, how to punch! :)
(Not ideal....but only one good one ever required). ;)
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Back in the day! maybe - the power of words? what would you say back without being guilty of a hate crime - thats the point I am trying to make Viv you can fight back.
 
Like Chris, my beard used to be more ginger until it went somewhat paler! in fact, my hair was as well when I was a kid. Never had the urine extracted because of it.
 
LASTOLITE said:
That is mocking a person for his / her hair colour.

When I was a lad growing up in Liverpool, (Skitting Capital) It was a free for all! It mattered not what retort I used as a come back from the many red hair jibes I received. Now its not such a level playing-field though is it! and I see on here some are more than happy to draw attention to a persons hair colour as a way of demeaning them as a person, in the normal way, you know subtle like.

Ginger bashing is alive and well here as it is all over and its acceptable by all and everyone unless you are the recipient of course. If we truly want equality then it should be just as repugnant to call people for the colour of there hair as it is for the colour of their skin, the appearance of their eyes or anything else for that matter.

A recent conversation with a bobby who informed me of all the things that were now classed as hate crimes, including verbal attacks on disabled people (who does that?) slagging off anyone because of hair colour is not one of them. unless violence or threat is felt by the recipient.

Equality, so far to go..........
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I posted this in another thread, have fond it as I could not be bothered to retype so a copy and paste, the general essence is the same for me:

It is sad people think like this but over time these sorts of opinions will become less and less in the same way racism has reduced against certain minorities in this country. Sadly their always tends to be a new target once it is no longer acceptable to discriminate against one section of society, currently something like this (anecdotal and off the top of my head):

Discrimination, stereotyping and abuse unacceptable: Black, Asian, People with disabilities

Discrimination, stereotyping and abuse acceptable: Muslims, Eastern Europeans, Anyone Ginger, various nationalities (french, US etc)

Somewhere in the middle: Homosexuals, people with mental health issues
 
LASTOLITE said:
Unsympathetic.

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Yes, and not in the least bit apologetic about it.

I also don't think online "bullying" is an actual thing. There's an off button. Use it.
Nor do I think that a man complimenting a woman on how she looks is sexual harassment.
I don't think women should receive the same prize money in tennis when the men potentially play five sets per match and the women only three.
"International women's day" is ridiculous.
MOBO's....daft. If I started the MOWO's there'd be a bloody international incident.....actually that goes for things like the Black Police Association et al too.
Smacking your child will not make them the next Fred West.

The list goes on.
 
viv1969 said:
Yes, and not in the least bit apologetic about it.

I also don't think online "bullying" is an actual thing. There's an off button. Use it.
Nor do I think that a man complimenting a woman on how she looks is sexual harassment.
I don't think women should receive the same prize money in tennis when the men potentially play five sets per match and the women only three.
"International women's day" is ridiculous.
MOBO's....daft. If I started the MOWO's there'd be a bloody international incident.....actually that goes for things like the Black Police Association et al too.
Smacking your child will not make them the next Fred West.

The list goes on.
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Ironic too!

O well the inequality bit has been lost on you.

Btw I agree with much of the above in your last post and the list does go on...........Not the point though.
 
akr said:
I posted this in another thread, have fond it as I could not be bothered to retype so a copy and paste, the general essence is the same for me:

It is sad people think like this but over time these sorts of opinions will become less and less in the same way racism has reduced against certain minorities in this country. Sadly their always tends to be a new target once it is no longer acceptable to discriminate against one section of society, currently something like this (anecdotal and off the top of my head):

Discrimination, stereotyping and abuse unacceptable: Black, Asian, People with disabilities

Discrimination, stereotyping and abuse acceptable: Muslims, Eastern Europeans, Anyone Ginger, various nationalities (french, US etc)

Somewhere in the middle: Homosexuals, people with mental health issues
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Indeed it ALL must stop!
 
jakeblu said:
Ive never understood the problem people have with ginger hair, I think it looks quiet striking.

I often wish I had ginger hair, actually I wish I had any hair at all.
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Not many people who had ginger hair at school say that!!! I was glad to start going grey!!
 
There's four things I have to say on this...
  1. Bullying is just plain evil. If you don't care how your words and actions affect others you're not really a person that's fit for decent society.
  2. I'm the first to admit that I'm not all that good at behaving well all the time but I do know how to say "sorry" - and to mean it. That's something we should all learn and practice.
  3. If you don't want to live in a society that tells you what to do all the time, work to make it unnecessary. Freedom comes at the cost of being your very own policeman.
  4. With all this, remember that none of us are perfect and the most important ability for a good citizen is to know when you've crossed the line and what to do about it.
Plus, of course, the simple truth that I am just as right and wrong in my views as any other person.
 
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