It has begun....and now it's ended....again **TP OFFICIAL WORLD CUP THREAD**

Shocking Manager, always have thought and let's hope the FA hopefully see sense and get rid, sadly we now have a £6mio a year Manager round our necks if we want to get rid!

You've always thought that :thinking: Even when we waltzed through our qualifying group unbeaten (until we had already qualified) and scored more goals than any other European qualifiers ??

Did you think he was shocking when he won the Champions League ??
 
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Like tiler65 I agree that the overpaid argument is absolute tosh. The industry draws millions, if not billions, of viewers (read customers) around the world. The fact that the industry continues to thrive despite the huge wage packets proves that the level of interest in the sport can sustain the industry. It's the same reason top musicians, actors etc. can earn huge sums of money. When a few select individuals draw on the pockets of massive numbers of fans there's big money involved. Simple economics, folks.

As for the actual performance; what is there to say? We were dismal from the start. No doubt people far more involved in the industry will analyse this for months to come and will probably be privileged to information we aren't so my opinion is pretty worthless but I'm sharing it anyway :D. My primary concern is now for the future. We have Capello as manager who seems determined to keep his position but refuses to admit we played poorly in 3 of the 4 games we played; Algeria being the only team who he agrees we played poorly against. If the other 3 games match the standard he expects from England and think is the best he can expect from our star-studded squad he's the wrong man for the job. We have an under-performing squad who are evidently unsettled but don't have the stones to voice their issues. Unlike most I think Terry coming forward to try and arrange a 'clear the air' session was exactly the right thing to do and showed why he was once the captain (before he scored in the wrong net :lol:). Shame Gerrard and the rest of the team can't follow through and voice their changing room backstabbing in a constructive fashion. Instead Terry is left hanging out to dry by the rest of the team. Great team spirit fellas.

I could go on but this is only working myself up!
 
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You've always thought that :thinking: Even when we waltzed through our qualifying group unbeaten (until we had already qualified) and scored more goals than any other European qualifiers ??

I was never a fan when he was appointed, and I've never been a fan of his tactics since he's been appointed. Face it, we played Andorra, Croatia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and the Ukraine in our Qualifying group... Forgive me but with the exception of Croatia, we should be knocking teams over like that with no problems at all with that squad!

I'd settle for struggling through quali and knocking teams over now thanks, rather than the other way round ;)

A good club Manager he maybe, but that doesn't make him a good National Manager!
 
Unlike most I think Terry coming forward to try and arrange a 'clear the air' session was exactly the right thing to do and showed why he was once the captain (before he scored in the wrong net ). Shame Gerrard and the rest of the team can't follow through and voice their changing room backstabbing in a constructive fashion. Instead Terry is left hanging out to dry by the rest of the team. Great team spirit fellas.


i believe Terry was speaking a lot of truth, unhappiness with the manager, system being played etc etc, but then the polictal side of things smoothed it over :suspect: if as i belive there is a lot of truth its a shame that the players did not speak out before the world cup
 
3-1, another good goal, Hernandez who's on his way to Man U apperently :)
 
I was never a fan when he was appointed, and I've never been a fan of his tactics since he's been appointed. Face it, we played Andorra, Croatia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and the Ukraine in our Qualifying group... Forgive me but with the exception of Croatia, we should be knocking teams over like that with no problems at all with that squad!

I'd settle for struggling through quali and knocking teams over now thanks, rather than the other way round ;)

A good club Manager he maybe, but that doesn't make him a good National Manager!

the point is you cant measure a man through one tournament. You have to have room for error and improvement. For 40 years we've underperformed, with the exception of 1990, it's not like he's come in and screwed up a team that were winning trophies left right and centre. We are well known underachievers, the buck can't be put on every manager we've had since 66.
 
NEWSFLASH: The Sun is now having DNA tests carried out on the England team to try and prove none of them are actually English..........:D
 
the point is you cant measure a man through one tournament.

I'm sorry I disagree entirely for 6 million reasons :D Apart from that I think his reluctance to accept there is anything wrong with the performances over the course of the past 4 games, the performances themselves, his seemingly tactical naivety at this level, his intransigence to look at other tactical options or formations I think does mean you can measure a man through one tournament.

Effectively Capello was employed to steady the ship, get us qualified and win us the World Cup. We had a great qualifying group which we cruised through (which we should have done regardless), and when eventually the going got tough, we looked appalling! Even before the tournament started we looked poor, and given the group we were in the teams we were with made us look very very average.

Oh I think we can easily measure him, sadly we've come no further forward than with the Wally with the brolly from a few years ago :lol:
 
Forgive me but with the exception of Croatia, we should be knocking teams over like that with no problems at all with that squad!

And we did !

We also beat Croatia home and away - the same team that McClaren lost to home and away.

I'm not saying he got everything right in South Africa - far from it - but I do think he is one of the best managers around, and his record, up to this tournament, proves it.

To me at least !
 
I'm sorry I disagree entirely for 6 million reasons :D Apart from that I think his reluctance to accept there is anything wrong with the performances over the course of the past 4 games, the performances themselves, his seemingly tactical naivety at this level, his intransigence to look at other tactical options or formations I think does mean you can measure a man through one tournament.

Effectively Capello was employed to steady the ship, get us qualified and win us the World Cup. We had a great qualifying group which we cruised through (which we should have done regardless), and when eventually the going got tough, we looked appalling! Even before the tournament started we looked poor, and given the group we were in the teams we were with made us look very very average.

Oh I think we can easily measure him, sadly we've come no further forward than with the Wally with the brolly from a few years ago :lol:

A glass half empty person if ever I saw one, unfortunately this is a perfect example of the epitome of an english mentality.

Myself, I'm of a very different opinion :thumbs:
 
I'm not saying he got everything right in South Africa - far from it

At least something we agree on! :D Yes, as I said he is a good Manager, club Manager where he can have an impact on his players with his persona, however it's obvious it doesn't work at international level!

A glass half empty person if ever I saw one, unfortunately this is a perfect example of the epitome of an english mentality.

Myself, I'm of a very different opinion :thumbs:

PMSL... Oh yeah, a glass half empty person!

No, actually a realist, and someone who is aware of the fact that we need to be adaptable, flexible and be able to react to different situations, formations and tactics - what happened today for instance when we needed a goal, oh yeah, he replaced Jermaine Defoe with Emile Heskey...that most prolific of English Strikers, I guess he's keeping Peter Crouch for when he needs him most!

You keep your glass half full, I'm sorry I think you're the epitome of the English mentality, thinking we can be something we won't be unless we adapt and change.

Something Capello obviously doesn't want to do!
 
PMSL... Oh yeah, a glass half empty person!

No, actually a realist,

you wouldn't believe how many people say that after being accused of having a glass half empty, it's the standard response. Just consolidates they are in fact ... a glass half empty! :thumbs:
 
When have you ever been given a job and instantly performed the best and never made a mistake?

I always perform well, I am a professional, if I make a mistake, I rectify it instantly and all is well.

Measure twice - cut once.

Football/sport is not a job, please don't compare.
 
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What about the rumours about the England skipper getting a 16 year old up the duff, is that why he was underperforming?
 
I always perform well, I am a professional, if I make a mistake, I rectify it instantly and all is well.

Measure twice - cut once.

Football/sport is not a job, please don't compare.

difference is, f you make a mistake you arent then asked to resign. There is room for you to make mistakes, this is imperative in being able to perform at the highest level, if you have no room to make mistakes you will not push yourself.

Last time I checked, managing a football team is a job, if it's not a job then why do they get paid to do it?
 
You've always thought that :thinking: Even when we waltzed through our qualifying group unbeaten (until we had already qualified) and scored more goals than any other European qualifiers ??

Did you think he was shocking when he won the Champions League ??

The manager isn't the problem. England, Italy and France 3 of the apparent giants of international football played this tournament with no heart whatsoever and paid a heavy price for it. The French players were a particular disgrace and those who threatened to boycott their final group game should never play for their country again. If I was Irish I'd be particularly angry that the team who cheated them out of the World Cup then went on to squander an opportunity on the biggest sporting stage of them all. Sickener.

Italy I think were just guilty of complacency but again there wasn't any passion in their play that won them the competition in 2006.

England, well, same old England to be honest. The media did all the talking for 'em and hoped that the players backed it up with performances on the pitch but it was never going to happen.

Finally I'm hoping we can get some decent commentary on the remaining games on TV. The quality of commentating so far has been atrocious, bordering on embarrassing. Mark Lawrenson is a bitter pillock.

Listening to Talk Sport tonight was one of the funniest things I've listened to for a long time. One of the pundits said Germany should have done the decent thing and told the ref the ball was over the line. Is that a sign of desperation or what?

I wouldn't have minded had England done well this year, but unfortunately the media commentary and coverage has forced a lot of people into hoping the English went out in the early stages just so we could get the pundits to just STFU for a minute.
 
difference is, f you make a mistake you arent then asked to resign. There is room for you to make mistakes, this is imperative in being able to perform at the highest level, if you have no room to make mistakes you will not push yourself.

Last time I checked, managing a football team is a job, if it's not a job then why do they get paid to do it?

Absolute tosh, if I make a mistake I don't get paid, oh how I wish the public sector lived the same financial turmoil that I live, that is why I don't make mistakes, maybe I should become a public sector tiler who clocks off after 37.5 hours a week and claim mileage and get a pension only Sir Fred expects.

PM me if you would like a personal hearing regarding my views on work/jobs/employment.
 
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Absolute tosh, if I make a mistake I don't get paid, oh how I wish the public sector lived the same financial turmoil that I live, that is why I don't make mistakes, maybe I should become a public sector tiler who clocks off after 37.5 hours a week and claim mileage and get a pension only Sir Fred expects.

PM me if you would like a personal hearing regarding my views on work/jobs/employment.

firstly, are you self employed? if so then your particular parameters dont apply so you cant use yourself as an example.

If you aren't self employed and you make a mistake, are you fired or just not paid?

Unless you are doing a job where making a mistake leads to the loss of life, like a doctor etc. You should have room for making mistakes as long as you can show that you can learn and improve. Thats just fact I'm afraid.

You and many others on here sound like you are from this throw away mentality that seems to exist around the world today. One chance or you're gone - how is that going to attract any other decent manager to take a job? That's right -it's not!
 
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Joe, you be as optimistic as you like. :)

Unfortunately both your manager and your team were ***** when it mattered :)

edit: and Argentina are looking very good, despite Messi still not turning up.
 
Joe, you be as optimistic as you like. :)

Unfortunately both your manager and your team were ***** when it mattered :)

edit: and Argentina are looking very good, despite Messi still not turning up.

I have no argument there and thats not the point I'm debating. My point is that these people claiming Capello should now be sacked or resign because of it are being ludicrous. :bonk:
 
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Is he not turning up or getting marked out of the game ?

So Portugal is next on my wish list, I just hope the winker gets what's coming round....right up the arse..
Germany...not fussed, they have nothing to trouble the big boys.
I could live with Argentina winning it again but would prefer a Paraguay or Uraguay for a change..:)
 
You and many others on here sound like you are from this throw away mentality that seems to exist around the world today. One chance or you're gone - how is that going to attract any other decent manager to take a job? That's right -it's not!

Actually, you are incorrect, what I have is PRIDE in my job - its just that others, including the government (any of them), don't have pride in MY job.

Everybody should be on price/piece work, see how the pencil pushers/clipboard walkers/'managers' would cope then.

If I am self employed or not, I don't make mistakes - I can't, it's my job.
 
I'm hoping Uruguay as I have a tenner on them at 33-1 but thinking it will be argentina
 
Actually, you are incorrect, what I have is PRIDE in my job - its just that others, including the government (any of them), don't have pride in MY job.

Everybody should be on price/piece work, see how the pencil pushers/clipboard walkers/'managers' would cope then.

If I am self employed or not, I don't make mistakes - I can't, it's my job.

Well you must be the only person I have ever met in my entire life who has never made a mistake, once in his entire professional career, kudos to you.

For the rest of us human beings, we do make mistakes from time to time, some small, some larger, and for you to insinuate that anybody who makes a mistake is because they didn't have pride or care about their job is quite frankly insulting.

I hope you don't or don't intend to ever have children, because it sounds like you'll be un-accepting of them if they are anything less than perfect.
 
Argentina certainly look hot at the moment, although I think the European teams are going to be close aren't they?

Spain should be close if they can get themselves into a little bit of form, and the Dutch look dark horses, cruising by not really having kicked into gear at present!
 
Well you must be the only person I have ever met in my entire life who has never made a mistake, once in his entire professional career, kudos to you.

For the rest of us human beings, we do make mistakes from time to time, some small, some larger, and for you to insinuate that anybody who makes a mistake is because they didn't have pride or care about their job is quite frankly insulting.

I hope you don't or don't intend to ever have children, because it sounds like you'll be un-accepting of them if they are anything less than perfect.

Wrong again, my kids don't make mistakes.

By the way thanks for the kudos, it means a lot, even though I get it all the time, just wish my business brain was a clever. (not trying to be patronising)
 
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Tom, great website - but you may want to put the mistake right on your links page linking your to Rochdale Rugby Union Football Club - the link works fine, you've just spelt Rochdale wrong ;) :D
 
Tom, great website - but you may want to put the mistake right on your links page linking your to Rochdale Rugby Union Football Club - the link works fine, you've just spelt Rochdale wrong ;) :D

:D :lol:

I will refrain from commenting or any kind of gloating as I've agreed with fabs to calm things down. :thumbs:
 
:D :lol:

I will refrain from commenting or any kind of gloating as I've agreed with fabs to calm things down. :thumbs:

It's only light hearted banter :D I think it's been a tough day all round :)
 
It's only light hearted banter :D I think it's been a tough day all round :)

yeah, I know! :thumbs:

Just for the record Tom, I screen-capped it for you though just incase you get put in the Guinness world record books for never making a mistake and I can black mail you into keeping this particular mistake hidden :lol:

:thumbs:


.... just kidding
 
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I made a mistake at work today. My till was 5 pounds down.

I was instantly dismissed.

NO MISTAKES ALLOWED.

You reckon that's why Picasso's paintings were so crap?
He cocked it up and just went with it?

Joking, my manager asked if everything was okay and whether I needed any extra till training. I said "no sorry just a mistake, will try and not let it happen again."

"Fair does" she said.

Moral of the story, make mistakes, learn from them, and never make the same mistake twice.
 
yeah, I know! :thumbs:

Just for the record Tom, I screen-capped it for you though just incase you get put in the Guinness world record books for never making a mistake and I can black mail you into keeping this particular mistake hidden :lol:

:thumbs:


.... just kidding

wrong again, photography or spelling are not my jobs.............




















(looks at website in a hurry) :coat:
 
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