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I was asked the question during a portrait shoot at the weekend whether I was CRB checked, I am not. It got me thinking, so have looked it up tonight and found this on the crb website

The current legislation does not allow the self-employed or individuals to apply for a CRB check on themselves. In addition, parents who employ a nanny/au pair/babysitter directly cannot apply for a CRB check; however, if an agency supplies the nanny/au pair/babysitter, the agency is entitled to carry out a CRB check.
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Does this mean that as a self employed photographer who comes into contact with children on a regular basis I can not pay to have myself CRB checked to provide my clients with a piece of mind???

Or am I grabbing the wrong end of a muddy stick and now have do do on my hands??
 
no you are right.... You can't get yourself a CRB. You need to work for a photographic agency.... hmm Wingnut Photographic springs to mind, and Wingnut Photographic can apply for a CRB for you. Pants isn't it?

B.
 
If I were you I would look into Disclosure Scotland. It basically does the same as the CRB only much quicker.

As a self employed person you cannot apply for your own disclosure or CRB for that matter, but if you click here you can find what is known as an Umbrella Organisation who can do it for you. It is a little more money but I suppose for the sake of your clients it is worth the peace of mind.

wingnut said:
I was asked the question during a portrait shoot at the weekend whether I was CRB checked, I am not. It got me thinking, so have looked it up tonight and found this on the crb website



Does this mean that as a self employed photographer who comes into contact with children on a regular basis I can not pay to have myself CRB checked to provide my clients with a piece of mind???

Or am I grabbing the wrong end of a muddy stick and now have do do on my hands??
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I have an enhanced CRB :)

Damn thing is meaningless really.
 
BenMottram said:
no you are right.... You can't get yourself a CRB. You need to work for a photographic agency.... hmm Wingnut Photographic springs to mind, and Wingnut Photographic can apply for a CRB for you. Pants isn't it?

B.
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Doesnt necessarily have to be a photographic agency, it can be anyone who is registered to do so. We do it at our company for all possible new employees as they need to be clean as a whistle to work on some of the contracts we have so we do a check first.
 
PsiFox said:
I have an enhanced CRB :)

Damn thing is meaningless really.
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it is up until october next year when the safe gaurding vunerable groups act and the barred list kicks of then it is very valuable piece of paper.

Enhanced is only worth the job it was applied for, they are transferable but within the managers or responisble persons discretion.

hope this helps.

try the ISA (independant safegaurding authority) website on how the list will affect protrait togs.

hope this helps
 
It only means you haven't yet been caught of anything. There are probably thousands of dodgy people out there who have been CRB checked yet have/are committing related crimes, without having been caught and convicted yet....it's daft really!
 
Yep, I am, but not for photographic reasons though...
 
purpleclouds said:
It only means you haven't yet been caught of anything. There are probably thousands of dodgy people out there who have been CRB checked yet have/are committing related crimes, without having been caught and convicted yet....it's daft really!
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that is why the bichard inquiry was set up and the resultant Adult and kids list have been designed to catch out the inappropriate persons.
 
There are better things than a CRB check... however they cost a fair bit more and are not generally available ;)
 
I'm not, although I could get one easy enough. I've never been asked either and have worked with kids of all ages and people with learning difficulties.

But as has been pointed out, it only proves you've not been caught which is very different from not being guilty...
 
The rugby club got me CRb checked so that I can attend mini & junior games as a tog
 
I am CRB checked as a level 2 squash coach in my spare time! :D
 
I've got Enhanced Disclosure Scotland but it was done over a year ago.
 
It's worth bearing in mind that Soham murderer Ian Huntley had a clear CRB check... he had been arrested and questioned at least 4 times for suspected rape but had never been convicted, so was of 'good character'

Documents that only prove that you hadn't been convicted at the time of the check mean very little IMO but the reality is that a lot of organisations and parents require photographers to have one, so it might be a good idea.
 
Garry Edwards said:
It's worth bearing in mind that Soham murderer Ian Huntley had a clear CRB check... he had been arrested and questioned at least 4 times for suspected rape but had never been convicted, so was of 'good character'

Documents that only prove that you hadn't been convicted at the time of the check mean very little IMO but the reality is that a lot of organisations and parents require photographers to have one, so it might be a good idea.
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that is where the bichard inquiry came about, there was far more information available on him but had not been placed in one data base.

police forces were not passing information around so the small pieces that linked together didnt tie him down so yes his CRB was clear, but if the ISA were in place then he would of been either on the barred list or of interest to the ISA body.
 
hotchef23 said:
that is where the bichard inquiry came about, there was far more information available on him but had not been placed in one data base.

police forces were not passing information around so the small pieces that linked together didnt tie him down so yes his CRB was clear, but if the ISA were in place then he would of been either on the barred list or of interest to the ISA body.
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Fair point. But my recollection is of the Chief Constable trying to convince the great gullible public that his force couldn't make that information available because of the Data Protection Act.

Unfortunately, whatever systems are put in place they rely on people doing their jobs properly...
 
I have an enhanced CRB certificate and an ACPO certificate - neither for photography though.
 
PsiFox said:
I have an enhanced CRB :)

Damn thing is meaningless really.
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Ditto-im a driving instructor and the dsa do one for us:clap:

Not sure its meaningless-have to have proof who you are and things like passports are not exactly easy to come by now days.

But then someone will say hey its easy to get a forged passport.

I think it stands for something
 
I'm just really trustworthy and not at all dodgy so I don't need one :woot:
 
Garry Edwards said:
It's worth bearing in mind that Soham murderer Ian Huntley had a clear CRB check... he had been arrested and questioned at least 4 times for suspected rape but had never been convicted, so was of 'good character'

Documents that only prove that you hadn't been convicted at the time of the check mean very little IMO but the reality is that a lot of organisations and parents require photographers to have one, so it might be a good idea.
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Well when they did my crb check-said quite clearly they would take all things into consideration when allowing me to be on the dsa register-not just convictions.

If memory serves me it wasnt a crb check but a standard check back then to see if someone was on the sex offenders list.

Things have gotten a lot more stringent since those times imho
 
I have had a CRB check through my lecturing, and am also MoD Security cleared. Have never been asked about anything to do with this re my photography though.
 
A CRB check is designed to give your employer peace of mind not your client. You request the check, as a condition of employment, and they get a letter stating that your check was OK. They do not get to see your crb documentation only you get that. So even if you had a CRB what would you do with it in the situatuion you describe. You could say you have it, but your client will never know and will not be able to check.

Of course if you have a long standing contract with a school to do the portrait photography and the school want to leave you unattended with the Children you would need to have an enhanced CRB, which you could possibly get through the school. The key here is unattended, there is nothing to stop you working in the school provided you are not left alone with access to the children.

Well that's as I understand it anyway. :)
 
Im CRB checked through the business i work for as a tog. never been asked and highly doubt i will its just a way of covering their backs. I always have my CRB number on me and at times have t have it displayed on my AAA (access all areas) badge incase of problems but not needed it yet.
 
my partner is a childminder and thus i had a CRB done for it :)
 
Well in my rules with my new school photography company I am stating I dont want a photographer to be left with any children as it then stops the chance of anything untoward ever being said anyway.


You can show them the crb check anyway:thumbs:
 
yes twice one an enhanced disclosure, school governor, and work with children from the chernobyl organisation,

Regards Mark
 
If i told you what clearance i have I'd have to kill you :D

Nah, just kidding. I do come with government approval though. ;)
 
I have government approval too.

The Prime Minister said I'm a top bloke :D


I have a CRB check being processed at the moment for some volunteer thing I'm doing with my kids school. Nothing to do with photography though.
 
I am a counter signatory for CRB under an umbrella organisation for my real job. The enhanced disclosure is required for working with children under the age of 18. It is a requirement for all childcare related jobs and also Health and any employment linked to care provision. We charge £50 which includes an admin fee. This is for the north east. The enhanced check goes to yourself and a copy to the organisation who does it. It can be requested by an employer but most employers ask to see your copy prior to employment. no CRB no job normally, this is in health care etc. As mentioned in other posts it is not a prevention but it is very thorough, believe me.
I have many for different things I am involved in, many parents now ask as a matter of principle if I have one. Some companies renew it each year as policy, other dont unless you move employment or have a break of service. In most cases the parents or whoever accept your enhanced disclosure.
The basic disclosure is of little use as it does not go far enough into the background of the individual, thats why its basic.
any questions feel free to ask re this I have to know as its part of my job in the real world. Anyone in Northumberland or Newcastle needing one give me a shout.
 
I have one - and I have been asked by clients several times - especially by teachers or police

It's another tool to show you're more professional thinking than your competitors (even though it means sod all), so when you have one - SHOUT about it to make any sense of having one

I do some work for the council too and they mentioned it

DD
 
I have 2 enhanced disclosures, it was insisted upon by the organisations, they wanted one each as requested by themselves... no sharing...
 
I have a CRB check becuase of one of my last jobs working in a Casino and my job now i have to be CRB and security cleared :D but im not sure you are ment to no that :lol:
 
I have an enhanced disclosure CRB, I had to have it to validate my Coaching Qualifications.

I also have the higher level of Security Clearance as relating to a work experience placement I did.
 
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