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Kaouthia said:
Note to mods, he's not saying windows is better than mac, or vice versa, just proving a point, one I happen to agree with. :)

"The best" at an individual task or overall is SUBJECTIVE and can only be determined by the individual using it.

Otherwise, there would only be one manufacturer of car, and they'd only be making one model of vehicle. Windows 7 wouldn't have 5 or 6 different versions. All new processors would have 4 cores. Canon would not even exist. ;)
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It's cool, I have said a million times that defending a brand, just because its the one you own, and for no other reason, is daft. It comes across as insecurity. Its the exact same as 12 year olds arguing over PS3 and XBOX.

G.
 
The iPod isn't the best because it has sold the most.

It has sold the most because it is the best.
 
EdinburghGary said:
You can't prove what will always be subjective....

I refer to my previous argument that WINDOWS MUST BE better than OSX as sooooooooooo many more people own and use it. Prove me wrong.

Gary.
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That's not really the same thing. If you swap the MP3 player for a toaster say, all toasters are around about the same price, they all toast bread and even the best one is within the budget of most people out to buy a toaster.

The Windows/OSX argument is like comparing a low end car with a high end car. More people by the lower end models because a) they're cheaper, b) they do the same thing as the high end cars and c) they know more about them because everyone they know has one. There are far fewer people who buy the high end cars... a) they don't care about the price and b) they want ride around in style.

There is no doubt in my mind that for the majority of home users, a Mac would suit their needs better than a PC..... everything except the price and fear of the unknown.
 
jontucker said:
That's not really the same thing. If you swap the MP3 player for a toaster say, all toasters are around about the same price, they all toast bread and even the best one is within the budget of most people out to buy a toaster.
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But if there's only one "best" toaster and they all cost about the same, why do me, my mum and my sister all own different brands of toaster?

Me, my mum and my sister also own three different mp3 players btw, none of them ipods. :)
 
Kaouthia said:
But if there's only one "best" toaster and they all cost about the same, why do me, my mum and my sister all own different brands of toaster?

Me, my mum and my sister also own three different mp3 players btw, none of them ipods. :)
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Nobody knows which is the best toaster....
 
joescrivens said:
What other mp3 player can line up against the iPod with iTunes, iTunesU, iBook, App store. Nothing else has the complete package of getting media straight onto the iPod without even having to plug it into a computer. The whole package just can't be beaten and you are flogging a dead horse trying to argue that it's not the best. In this case it's just fact and it is nothing to do with it being the best seller, thats an effect of it being the best.
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You seem to have missed the entire "MP3 players are for listening to music" part :cuckoo:. I have yet to see any review that states the iPod/iPhone has the best sound quality

The Apple products may excellent packages but when it comes to audio I'll go else where :)




Ps. When they add the features already mentioned in this thread I'll buy an iPad :clap:
 
You don't just don't understand what subjective means do you? :)

What might be "the best" for 60% of the entire planet's population, does not make it "the best" for everybody. That's the point.
 
Amp34 said:
The real question is how many of the non faithful is going to buy? The average consumer (non mac user) is where success or failure will really be told.
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I don't have a Mac.

Don't need one, will never own one. However, the Ipad has my attention at the moment.

Especially as I am off to the states in may. By then the 3g connected one should be available, and if its cheaper over there I may pick one up.

There's a couple of things I'm unclear about - but they will become clear by may hopefully :D:D
 
jontucker said:
What are the 3 reasons for not buying iPods? And what 3 are they?
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For my sister, cost. For my mum, she needed something idiot proof without three million features she'll never use. For me, audio quality.
 
Kaouthia said:
For my sister, cost. For my mum, she needed something idiot proof without three million features she'll never use. For me, audio quality.
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So your sisters was cheaper, your mums is easier to use, and yours has better audio quality.... mix them all together... you have an iPod! :p
 
jontucker said:
So your sisters was cheaper, your mums is easier to use, and yours has better audio quality.... mix them all together... you have an iPod! :p
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No, my sister's was cheaper than an iPod, my mum's is easier to use than an iPod, and mine sounds better than an iPod. So, how does that make it an iPod??
 
Isn't it just :)
 
Kaouthia said:
No, my sister's was cheaper than an iPod, my mum's is easier to use than an iPod, and mine sounds better than an iPod. So, how does that make it an iPod??
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Errr, let me try and explain....

MP3 Player A
Audio: =====
Price: ==
Ease: ==
Style: ===


MP3 Player B
Audio: ==
Price: =====
Ease: ==
Style: =

MP3 Player C
Audio: ==
Price: ==
Ease: =====
Style: ===

iPod
Audio: ====
Price: ====
Ease: ====
Style: =====
 
jontucker said:
Errr, let me try and explain....

MP3 Player A
Audio: =====
Price: ==
Ease: ==
Style: ===


MP3 Player B
Audio: ==
Price: =====
Ease: ==
Style: =

MP3 Player C
Audio: ==
Price: ==
Ease: =====
Style: ===

iPod
Audio: ====
Price: ====
Ease: ====
Style: =====
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Here's another....



BEST ========================== SUBJECTIVE ;)
 
Actually, on mp3 player A it would be.

Audio : =====
Price : == (but wasn't my concern)
Ease : ===== (because I'd been using Windows Mobile phones for about 5 years before I got the Omnia, so know how to use it already)
Style : ===== (but again, that's all very subjective) :)

Being better than another device on a couple of things that aren't important to a particular consumer does not make it a better device for a specific individual.

Neither of us would prefer an iPod or iPhone over what we currently use.
 
EdinburghGary said:
Here's another....



BEST ========================== SUBJECTIVE ;)
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You can stop saying that if you like, I am perfectly aware of what subjective means and I'm subjectively saying that if 80% of people think the iPod is best, and the other MP3 players split the remaining 20%, then the iPod is BEST at people thinking its the BEST!
 
jontucker said:
You can stop saying that if you like, I am perfectly aware of what subjective means and I'm subjectively saying that if 80% of people think the iPod is best, and the other MP3 players split the remaining 20%, then the iPod is BEST at people thinking its the BEST!
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you don't get out much do you :D
 
Kaouthia said:
Actually, on mp3 player A it would be.

Audio : =====
Price : == (but wasn't my concern)
Ease : ===== (because I'd been using Windows Mobile phones for about 5 years before I got the Omnia, so know how to use it already)
Style : ===== (but again, that's all very subjective) :)

Being better than another device on a couple of things that aren't important to a particular consumer does not make it a better device for a specific individual.

Neither of us would prefer an iPod or iPhone over what we currently use.
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You're thinking about just you though, I'm talking about across the whole target market.
 
jontucker said:
You're thinking about just you though.
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AHA! so you DO know what subjective means? That's kind of the point we've been prattling on about for the last 2 or 3 pages. :)

Who else should I be thinking about?
 
Kaouthia said:
AHA! so you DO know what subjective means? That's kind of the point we've been prattling on about for the last 2 or 3 pages. :)

Who else should I be thinking about?
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Depends which question you're answering - 'Which MP3 player do YOU think is the best?" or "Which MP3 player is generally regarded as the best?". I've been answering the latter.
 
jontucker said:
Depends which question you're answering - 'Which MP3 player do YOU think is the best?" or "Which MP3 player is generally regarded as the best?". I've been answering the latter.
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No, you've simply been stating "the ipod is the best" as a fact, not that it is a matter of popular opinion, which is what it is. :)
 
jontucker said:
Do you know what OBjective means?
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Yes, but why should I give a crap what other people think of a product I choose to purchase? Shouldn't my money be spent on what I want to get based upon my own experiences of said product?
 
Why thank you sir :)
 
Kaouthia said:
No, you've simply been stating "the ipod is the best" as a fact, not that it is a matter of popular opinion, which is what it is. :)
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Resorting to arguing about semantics in a forum debate means you've lost you know ;) I am rubber, you are glue - and all that.

Going back to the iPad.... If you do get one, I'd be interested to see if owning an Apple product turns you on to other Apple products. I know of lots of people who have bought mac's after owning the iPhone for a little while.
 
jontucker said:
Resorting to arguing about semantics in a forum debate means you've lost you know ;) I am rubber, you are glue - and all that.
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Not really. Changing your argument after it has begun is grounds for disqualification. So, I win by default. ;)

jontucker said:
Going back to the iPad.... If you do get one, I'd be interested to see if owning an Apple product turns you on to other Apple products. I know of lots of people who have bought mac's after owning the iPhone for a little while.
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I doubt it. I'm looking at the iPad to fill a very specific need that nothing currently on the market will be able to fulfil (and nothing that I've seen so far expected to come out in the future).

Like I said, the last Apple product I owned was an Apple IIe that was manufactured in 1983. I'm perfectly happy with PCs and Windows, but that's just my subjective view. :)
 
Really this whole thread has been off topic, where was the Aperture 3 announcement. :lol:

The point remains when you take all of the points people will want an mp3 player for, and put them together to rate, the iPod seemingly remains unbeaten.

The interesting thing will be to see if Sony go after this market the same way they did for mp3. As for a viable mass market alternative, I think to catch on in the mainstream it needs to be a very recognisable brand to make any impact on the general public, obviously apple have it, not sure people like HP have enough consumer recognition for entertainment to pull in consumers. So it needs a Sony or Panasonic to compete with this device as currently, other than the iPad I cannot see it being anything but a niche product.
 
Kaouthia said:
Not really. Changing your argument after it has begun is grounds for disqualification. So, I win by default. ;)
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jontucker said:
It's not just about sound quality though is it. In fact for most people it's got little or nothing to do with sound quality. It's about the 'experience' as a whole package and that's what reviewers and users mark so highly.
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Don't think it did change.

Kaouthia said:
I doubt it. I'm looking at the iPad to fill a very specific need that nothing currently on the market will be able to fulfil (and nothing that I've seen so far expected to come out in the future).

Like I said, the last Apple product I owned was an Apple IIe that was manufactured in 1983. I'm perfectly happy with PCs and Windows, but that's just my subjective view. :)
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Since beginning of the 90's I've been through every MS OS from DOS 2.x to Windows Vista, countless different PC's, countless different servers blah blah blah. Having bought an iPhone and seeing what Apple were capable of, I bought an iMac and MY opinion is that OS X makes any OS that MS have produced look like a fisher price toy! There, something subjective for you! :geek:
 
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