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Steep said:
Have you got a source for that? it's a pretty broad reaching statement you've made there.
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ding76uk said:
Prove me wrong and name a better one?

There is a reason it is the most sold, most successful and that is because it works the best
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I'm not the one putting my opinion across as fact.
 
The lack of flash, is something that will never get addressed.
You can see why they have done it though.
99% of online games within a browser are all flash based. At the moment, apple controls all apps/games (unless jailbroken) and get a reasonable cut from these sales.

If users get access to online flash games, where the majority are free, apple will loose millions in revenue.
 
They already stopped the press with this joke on page 12 of this very thread. Try and keep up.
 
Did anyone also follow the HP slate story?

That has been shown definitely running windows 7... I think that is just a much better machine. They did say it's going to cost around the cost of a mobile phone... meaning similar to the ipad... component-wise, being able to run a proper OS means it wouldn't be too bad at all... It even looks like the ipad from the front with the same sort of design... It's got multi-touch and probably all the iphone gadgets.. in fact it probably would be better with USB ports etc...

and as a apple fanboi, I am thinking it shouldn't be that hard to hackintosh it and get snow leopard on it... which would make it the perfect tablet... I could even use the apple sticker tht came with the snow leopard DVD and cover the HP logo....

Does that then mean I can get more apple-ness from buying HP?
 
fumiyasu said:
Did anyone also follow the HP slate story?

That has been shown definitely running windows 7... I think that is just a much better machine. They did say it's going to cost around the cost of a mobile phone... meaning similar to the ipad... component-wise, being able to run a proper OS means it wouldn't be too bad at all... It even looks like the ipad from the front with the same sort of design... It's got multi-touch and probably all the iphone gadgets.. in fact it probably would be better with USB ports etc...

and as a apple fanboi, I am thinking it shouldn't be that hard to hackintosh it and get snow leopard on it... which would make it the perfect tablet... I could even use the apple sticker tht came with the snow leopard DVD and cover the HP logo....

Does that then mean I can get more apple-ness from buying HP?
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Depends if you want a tablet computer or the iPad which is a completely different device.
 
ding76uk said:
But you cannot name one. Why is that? Just because certain people do not like something does not make it a not fact.
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I have no opinion on the quality of the ipad/ipod one way or the other, I simply asked you to provide the evidence to back up the claims you made about the ipod. Given that after four replies you're still dissembling I'll take it that you were just voicing an opinion not fact and be on my way.
 
Steep said:
I have no opinion on the quality of the ipad/ipod one way or the other, I simply asked you to provide the evidence to back up the claims you made about the ipod. Given that after four replies you're still dissembling I'll take it that you were just voicing an opinion not fact and be on my way.
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If you claim my fact is incorrect, then provide me with evidence? As you can't you may as well be on your way as we will never agree.
 
ding76uk said:
If you claim my fact is incorrect, then provide me with evidence? As you can't you may as well be on your way as we will never agree.
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Befgore I close what is yet another Apple v whatever thread, I'd just like to point out that if you present something as fact then it is down to you to back it up with evidence, not for others to disprove it. ;)
 
ding76uk said:
If you claim my fact is incorrect
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My wife makes the best chicken soup. That's a fact. Go disprove me. :)

"Facts" need to be proven to be accurate first before attempts are made to disprove them.
 
i've got an iPad :D

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lol, well maybe not, just my iPhone, with an iPad theme :D
 
fabs said:
Befgore I close what is yet another Apple v whatever thread, I'd just like to point out that if you present something as fact then it is down to you to back it up with evidence, not for others to disprove it. ;)
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Look at every independent review of the iPod compared with other devices. As every independent review (by people more qualified that most of us on here) rate the iPod higher than every other device, then one must assume that that is technically the most competent, and therefore best device within it's genre. That is my evidence, it now needs others to disprove this, which is going to be a very hard thing to do in my eyes.

As for closing the thread, why? This has been a good discussion of the device, and you cannot debate something without calling into play other products by the same company.

There has been no malice meant by myself and I hope other parties, so closing it because of peoples difference in opinion (surely a forum of individuals are never going to agree) will only quash debate? You cannot have someone tell you you are wrong, then when you ask them why they reply with and answer that equates to "because you are".

I personally think to many people are quick to jump on the it's rubbish side of the argument, which applied to the iPod and iPhone on release, without giving the company and independent developers time to show the full potential.

The device is much more powerful spec wise than the iPod touch, but yet several on here are claiming it to be just that. That is being negative for negatives sake. How can you say a device is terrible, when no one has spent enough time with it to even review it properly.
 
ding76uk said:
As every independent review (by people more qualified that most of us on here) rate the iPod higher than every other device, then one must assume that that is technically the most competent, and therefore best device within it's genre.
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I do see where you're coming from, but "best" is really a subjective term. It all depends on your standards and requirements. As I said, I feel my Samsung Omnia + Sony Bluetooth stereo earphones give me better sound than an iPhone or iPod touch. I like using Windows Mobile. For me, the Omnia is the best. For others the iPod is the best.

ding76uk said:
There has been no malice meant by myself and I hope other parties
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None here :)

ding76uk said:
The device is much more powerful spec wise than the iPod touch, but yet several on here are claiming it to be just that. That is being negative for negatives sake.
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When I said the iPad is essentially a jumbo sized iPod Touch, I wasn't only referring to its screen size. But I also didn't mean it as a negative thing. A bigger, faster, more capable iPod Touch is exactly what I'm after.

After reconsidering a few workflow issues, even before I've had the few iPad questions I had answered, I've decided I'll definitely be getting one of these. :)
 
Kaouthia said:
After reconsidering a few workflow issues, even before I've had the few iPad questions I had answered, I've decided I'll definitely be getting one of these. :)
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Got a 5D2 to buy, and the living room to totally redecorate this year, but think I will also have one of these by the end of the year. The good thing is the wife loves the look of it too, so should be a nice present to each other (before the fighting over whose go it is begins :D
 
ding76uk said:
we have NOT reached the bickering stage:D:D:D
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This is where we see 300 people say "Yes we have", "no we haven't", and the slap fight begins. ;)
 
ding76uk said:
Ah every forum needs a bit of pantomine now and again:)

Wonder when the UK prices will be released? Isn't the launch going to be worldwide? As all we have seen so far is US prices.
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My guess will be £399. 400 dollars X 0.625 = 250, add VAT = £293 and add another £100 for the sake of it :|


Oh and it's behind you.
 
fumiyasu said:
Did anyone also follow the HP slate story?

That has been shown definitely running windows 7... I think that is just a much better machine. They did say it's going to cost around the cost of a mobile phone... meaning similar to the ipad... component-wise, being able to run a proper OS means it wouldn't be too bad at all... It even looks like the ipad from the front with the same sort of design... It's got multi-touch and probably all the iphone gadgets.. in fact it probably would be better with USB ports etc...

and as a apple fanboi, I am thinking it shouldn't be that hard to hackintosh it and get snow leopard on it... which would make it the perfect tablet... I could even use the apple sticker tht came with the snow leopard DVD and cover the HP logo....

Does that then mean I can get more apple-ness from buying HP?
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I do like the look of the HP slate and there are hopefully going to be a few more coming out shortly too. Microsoft were vry coy apparently as to what they would be running on it which hopefully means it will be a slightly modified version of 7, optimised for touch.

ding76uk said:
But you cannot name one. Why is that? Just because certain people do not like something does not make it a not fact.
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Did you miss my posts? It's no suprise that audiophiles and the more techy amongst the population generally don't have iPods. Also interesting to see is any audio sub forum, generally iPods are very rarely mentioned, there's a reason for that..

ding76uk said:
Depends if you want a tablet computer or the iPad which is a completely different device.
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True, if you want a portable PC then the slates, if you want a media player then the media systems (android machines, Archoses and iPads) are for you. There seems to be loads of choice in the latter at the moment, hopefully the former gives follows. :)
 
Interesting thread However its from our perspective of being techno able, there are a whole stack of people out there who are far from it and this targets them nicely.

Ipad do I want one, possibly? but I think I would wait a while

We are not a typical family, as we do have some equipment that requires a certain amount of technical knowledge. Our home is CBus enabled, which basically means that it is an automated home with lighting, heating and ventilation controlled by microprocessor.

We are a family of five, two adults and three children. Myself and the kids are computer literate, the wife however is far from computer literate. Therefore we all have different needs, and amongst that the house also requires control. Looking at the iPad, it may just provide the solution to a lot of problems.

The kids all have computers in their rooms, and all they do is use them for Facebook, twitter and e-mail. Even using Google and the Internet is a secondary thing, yes they occasionally use a word processing program or use a computer for other types of schoolwork but the fact is they more often than not are using computers recreationally. Therefore the iPad would fit the bill perfectly small compact doesn't take up any space and can be moved from room to room easily. I could possibly get away with just one ipad as they are rarely all in at the same time.

Then the wife, all she wants to do is check her mail, browse the Internet from time to time, view photographs and occasionally do the odd piece of work that may involve using a word processor. I gave her my iPhone, she got on with it instantly, mainly because it's very easy to understand and work out. She loved the apps because again they were user-friendly simple straightforward and did the job that was required. She doesn't like technology and therefore she doesn't want it rammed down her throat. She just wants to get on with what she wants to do. Ipad for her? most definitely yes.

Then the house. Touch screen controller for cbus system mounted in one place in black-and-white measuring 6 x 4" approximately £800. Try buying a colour touchscreen to do the same job from clipsal and you are talking thousands. However I can use an app on my iPhone, costing just like less than £60 and it will interface with the Cbus system and do everything that I require. Ipad, just made itself very very appealing. Same app on the iPad and the iPad can go anywhere in the house and I can control lighting and heating and ventilation.

So the iPod starts to look very tempting, I can ditch the hundred pound photo frame that is somewhat smaller than the iPad. I can forget about buying a touchscreen for my Cbus system at a cost of £800 I could ditch the three computers in the kids rooms which would free up space reduce power consumption and maybe even introduce them to being back with us in one room. (I might even get to see more of them that way,) Now if I can do away with the Pronto and control my TV and other remote-controlled equipment from the iPad it would be :banana::banana: . If I can wall mount it on a docking station that charges it whilst it displays photographs another winner. I am sure that apps will bring about even more possibilities from it.

For me its appeal is being able to go to bed and read without disturbing my wife by putting lights on, pure bliss. I can also see that we are not far away from having content delivered digitally by all the tabloids. Morning newspaper at seven o'clock every morning without fail no matter what the weather was doing and not having to rely on a paper boy (they don't want the work these days anyway) now that's progress.

I think Apple are actually thinking ahead and they are going to capitalise on bringing the home up to speed in every way possible. I think the iPad will catch on, yes it's expensive but when you look ahead it will actually cover a lot of aspects that are presently covered by several other gadgets. Automation in houses is going to increase, our homes are going to become more and more reliant upon iPad type devices. By the time the developers get their apps out for the new iPad I think that more and more people will see its possibilities. It'll never be a PC but then it's not supposed to be, those of us who use PCs will continue to do so, however there are many people out there who have no requirement for a PC and never will do and the iPad fits very neatly into that niche and other niche's

I know a net book will do much of the above, certainly the kids thing and wife but not in my opinion as well. The Ipad cuts out all the not required elements and provides the user with easy to use interface that will do exactly what they want it to do and will provide the user with the ability to tailor it to their needs through the apps available. They just need to drop the price a bit put a camera in as standard and sort the flash and I think then its in my living room.

Just think of the app possibilities
 
With sales estimates of over 4 Million units this year, 8 Million next, it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks. If these figures are achieved it's another winner for Apple.

Damn shouldn't bought shares :lol:
 
The iPod touch is the beat mp3 player and it is fact not opinion. The evidence that people keep asking for is that every independent review rates it as the best.

If something is always rated higher than everything else then that is evidence enough that it is the best.
 
joescrivens said:
The iPod touch is the beat mp3 player and it is fact not opinion. The evidence that people keep asking for is that every independent review rates it as the best.

If something is always rated higher than everything else then that is evidence enough that it is the best.
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In it's section maybe (although the Sony X-series is also a vey good contender), Archos devices are generally the best PMPs however and the iPod nano is one of the best flash based players out there, drawing with the Sony A and S series as well as one or two cowan devices.
 
Chappers said:
With sales estimates of over 4 Million units this year, 8 Million next, it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks. If these figures are achieved it's another winner for Apple.

Damn shouldn't bought shares :lol:
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Interesting, I wonder how many the competing devices will sell in relation and how many the media/internet slate sector will sell in all.:)

EDIT: Just looking up mac sales figures that amount means essentially half their mac customers will are expected to buy one in the first year, sounds about right to me. The real question is how many of the non faithful is going to buy? The average consumer (non mac user) is where success or failure will really be told.
 
joescrivens said:
The iPod touch is the beat mp3 player and it is fact not opinion. The evidence that people keep asking for is that every independent review rates it as the best.
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Again, it's all subjective based on the standards and level of acceptance of the reviewer, and the market it's aimed at.

Think of a stereo system for your home. Some might consider a system costing £1,000 would sound absolutely outstanding and be highly reviewed as "the best" by magazines when not compared against a stereo system costing £10,000. It may even be the best value for money and have better marketing but that does not necessarily make it "the best". Even the £10,000 system might sound crap compared to the guy that has the £25,000 system.

Different people have different levels of standard, and different costs they're willing to expend for various items they choose to purchase throughout their lives. What's "the best" to one person (even if that person gets his opinion published in a magazine) may not be the best to another.
 
Kaouthia said:
Again, it's all subjective based on the standards and level of acceptance of the reviewer, and the market it's aimed at.

Think of a stereo system for your home. Some might consider a system costing £1,000 would sound absolutely outstanding and be highly reviewed as "the best" by magazines when not compared against a stereo system costing £10,000. It may even be the best value for money and have better marketing but that does not necessarily make it "the best". Even the £10,000 system might sound crap compared to the guy that has the £25,000 system.

Different people have different levels of standard, and different costs they're willing to expend for various items they choose to purchase throughout their lives. What's "the best" to one person (even if that person gets his opinion published in a magazine) may not be the best to another.
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It's entirely possible to review something without taking it's cost in to consideration. :shrug:
 
jontucker said:
It's entirely possible to review something without taking it's cost in to consideration. :shrug:
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It is, but without comparing it to more expensive alternatives, how can you provide a truly accurate rating?

Somebody might rate an iPod touch as 10/10 for audio quality purely on the basis that they've never used anything that produces better quality sound. That does not mean it does not exist and that their rating would not change were they to experience it.
 
Kaouthia said:
It is, but without comparing it to more expensive alternatives, how can you provide a truly accurate rating?

Somebody might rate an iPod touch as 10/10 for audio quality purely on the basis that they've never used anything that produces better quality sound. That does not mean it does not exist and that their rating would not change were they to experience it.
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It's not just about sound quality though is it. In fact for most people it's got little or nothing to do with sound quality. It's about the 'experience' as a whole package and that's what reviewers and users mark so highly.
 
jontucker said:
It's not just about sound quality though is it. In fact for most people it's got nothing to do with sound quality. It's about the 'experience' as a whole package.
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I know, but I was just picking on a single aspect. The same holds true for every other aspect of a device upon which a review is based (which usually includes the price btw).
 
Kaouthia said:
I know, but I was just picking on a single aspect. The same holds true for every other aspect of a device upon which a review is based (which usually includes the price btw).
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I think it's fair to say that there are plenty of other mp3 players that do things better than the iPod. Maybe the sound quality is better on one, maybe there is some clever function on another, maybe one has the all important CAMERA (I know the nano now does). Point is there isn't an mp3 player that puts all of those aspects together and ends up better than the iPod. I think the fact that they've sold 250,000,000 of them goes a long way to prove that. My feeling is that for the most part, it's people that don't like iTunes (read: people who want to download their music for without paying for it) that don't rate the iPod.
 
EdinburghGary said:
You can't prove what will always be subjective....

I refer to my previous argument that WINDOWS MUST BE better than OSX. Prove me wrong.

Gary.
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Easy mate, I use OSX and am always right.

Point proven!
 
EdinburghGary said:
I refer to my previous argument that WINDOWS MUST BE better than OSX. Prove me wrong.
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Note to mods, he's not saying windows is better than mac, or vice versa, just proving a point, one I happen to agree with. :)

"The best" at an individual task or overall is SUBJECTIVE and can only be determined by the individual using it.

Otherwise, there would only be one manufacturer of car, and they'd only be making one model of vehicle. Windows 7 wouldn't have 5 or 6 different versions. All new processors would have 4 cores. Canon would not even exist. ;)
 
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