I won't shoot gay weddings: am I odd?

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Get it back on the ORIGINAL topic :nono:

There have already been too many useless and unrelated posts in this thread.
 
*YAWN*

Havent posted in a long time.. What's been going on chaps..:popcorn:

Does Cedric and matty still work here..:thinking:
 
Trev Rich said:
I sort of explained what I mean above, what if the opinion was "In my opinion all homophobes should be shot?"
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Then that is your opinion and only that. If, on the other hand, you said "In my opinion all homophobes should be shot and in fact I am going out to shoot some right now" Then that would be more worrying ;)

It's a purely personal thing and I believe everyone has the right to their own opinions and to be free to express them, so long as it does not cause alarm or distress to anyone else.

I remember watching a political debate prior to some election in which the BNP were standing. All of the other candidates were given a chance to air their views, but the BNP were not,because their views were considered "offensive" by those at the BBC who were organising the debate.

Now, you may not agree with their politics, but then others may not agree with the the politics of the Labour or Conservative parties, yet because their politics are deemed acceptable by those in control then they get to air their views.

You can't have it both ways, either everyone gets to air their views without censor, or no-one does.
 
Alison said:
I have several same sex couple friends and the word "tolerance" (in respect of their relationships) really riles them. Not in any way having a dig at you Hacker, it just reminded me :)
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No problem. :thumbs: I was using tolerance in the loosest sense and it wasn't particularly aimed at same sex couples, more tolerance in general and the fact that the poster I was quoting was showing double standards with regards to acceptable behaviour.
 
digitalfailure said:
Get it back on the ORIGINAL topic :nono:

There have already been too many useless and unrelated posts in this thread.
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What was the original topic again? The OP doesn't want to photograph a gay wedding, does this make him queer?

Answer: No. But it does reduce his client base.
 
Hacker said:
Blimey, who woke you up!

:lol: :wave:
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Alright Colin.. Hows things mate..:D

Just stuck me head through the door to see who was in.:nuts:
 
Glad we're back on topic. :wave:
 
Pirate Neilsouth said:
I hate Gay Pride Parades and find them an insult , straight people don't parade they are straight.
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We have a large parade here in Manchester every year and it's brilliant and a fantastic photo shoot too you know :) (That's always the best kind of shooting :)) Oh and if you want to see some good looking lesbians................
 
ivortripod said:
I personally cannot get used to the sight of homosexual couple's 'weddings'. Obviously I am old-fashioned, but am I queer?

Please note that no offence whatsoever is intended by this post, I am being honest and would just like to know what TP members think.
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What a stupid, inane and puerile post.
 
I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body..:shrug:
 
OI........you people

ON TOPIC OR STAY OUT OF THE THREAD


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I'm still looking for the OP to define his use of the word "queer".

Regardless of definition, we should remember life is about choices and be grateful we live in a society where choice exists. Perhaps one day we will have a society where we do not get ridiculed or coerced for those choices...
 
digitalfailure said:
OI........you people

ON TOPIC OR STAY OUT OF THE THREAD


:annoyed:
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Awe Brian ok matey.. Just lightning the evening up..:thumbs:

Off to watch Big Brother now, Can you tell I'm bored.:bonk:
 
Its the Fword now.. they have my mates on!! lol.. the ERU.. i know em!!
 
Some very good posts from Colin, as usual. 100% agree.

I'm disappointed in some aspects of this thread. Firstly, we have the Political Correctness brigade attempting to stifle discussion on an aspect of modern life that can cause issues for some mainly, ironically, because it doesn't have sufficient debate. And just when we could have some sensible adult debate, along come children who are adept at reminding us of their immaturity.

Then we see people who are far too ready and quick to reach for the B word, without fully understanding what it means, nevermind totally misreading or misunderstanding what the OP actually said. I've had the misfortune to live amongst religious bigots in Northern Ireland as well as racist bigots in the East End. Aren't I the lucky one :thumbsdown: Being uncomfortable with a situation is a million miles away from being a bigot.

To Ivor - Yes, you're old fashioned. No, you're not queer - in any sense of the word. Yes, you may represent the views and opinions of, let us say, an older generation - not that there is anything wrong with that in any way. Yes, you're clumsy - you didn't see some of the PC brigade that you stumbled upon. And you're crap at thread titles ;) But, apart from that :thumbs:

John
 
hepburn said:
I'm still looking for the OP to define his use of the word "queer".

Regardless of definition, we should remember life is about choices and be grateful we live in a society where choice exists. Perhaps one day we will have a society where we do not get ridiculed or coerced for those choices...
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dream on - it ain't going to happen

"grateful we live in a society where {some**choice exists"

do we really have that much freedom? freedom comes with responsibility's
the OP is free to post their views, but we can only respond in line with the rules of the forum, is that freedom?

to keep the mods happy i think the OP used the work queer to stir things up, nothing more nothing less....
 
its funny though, the words GAY and QUEER are really nothing to do with homosexuality!! well, not untill recently.. the english language is being hijacked!! lol. is that a bigoted thing to say??
 
fraggle101 said:
its funny though, the words GAY and QUEER are really nothing to do with homosexuality!! well, not untill recently.. the english language is being hijacked!! lol. is that a bigoted thing to say??
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Perhaps I can redress the balance...the weather here has been really queer tonight.. and i'm feeling really gay as i received a lovely parcel from my friend in Argentina today.

BTW used to live in Finchley, u anywhere near??
 
fraggle101 said:
its funny though, the words GAY and QUEER are really nothing to do with homosexuality!! well, not untill recently.. the english language is being hijacked!! lol. is that a bigoted thing to say??
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The word "GAY" has now been banned from use in some older childrens nursery rhymes so it cant cause offence to people.

Utter madness
 
hi there
i think your nuts...
one of these weddings could sett you up...word of mouth is the best advertising you will ever get...and there are lots of gays wanting this type of wedding (and more to come)...
get over it and get some work done...
mickytwoknives
 
The actual word isn't really the issue though is it. Surely it's the intent behind it's use. I work as a learning disabilities nurse, previously i would have been a mental handicap nurse. Prior to mental handicap people were mentally retarded and before that lunatics, simple minded etc. The reason behind the changes in terms is simple. A word eventually starts to get used in a derogatory manner and picks up negative connotations. Gay used as a descriptive word meaning happy is in no way offensive... queer as a descriptive term meaning odd or wierd isn't necessarily offensive.
 
fraggle101 said:
its funny though, the words GAY and QUEER are really nothing to do with homosexuality!! well, not untill recently.. the english language is being hijacked!! lol. is that a bigoted thing to say??
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The way things are worded in different ways now I cringed when my mother of 73 years of age told me that a certain person had spunk!!:gag:OUT LOUD in front of a group of lads which of course she meant bravado or same sort of thing so maybe when ivor said queer he probably meant strange lmao:nuts:
 
actually I respect you for having the guts to express your opinion.
If you don't want to do it because you feel uncomfortable then fair play
If you don't want to do it because you hate gays then that's a different thing altogether (I get the feeling that's not why you don't want to do it)
 
Chrispix said:
The actual word isn't really the issue though is it. Surely it's the intent behind it's use. I work as a learning disabilities nurse, previously i would have been a mental handicap nurse. Prior to mental handicap people were mentally retarded and before that lunatics, simple minded etc. The reason behind the changes in terms is simple. A word eventually starts to get used in a derogatory manner and picks up negative connotations. Gay used as a descriptive word meaning happy is in no way offensive... queer as a descriptive term meaning odd or wierd isn't necessarily offensive.
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yeah medical terms such as cretin and imbecile were in the "patients" notes
Last year they were "service users" lost track of what the latest is

Some people don't like macro insects:shrug:
 
Well, I am a strange one. Going to be 100% open and honest here, as I can't do lies. Will try and keep it simple.


1: I enjoy gay jokes.
2: I enjoy racist jokes.
3: Two of my best friends are muslims.
4: My brother in law is gay.
5: My best friend at college was a muslim.
6: I have two gay friends.

I am not racist, nor a homophobe (although you would think otherwise if you heard my crack), and i don't understand how one can feel "odd" by witnessing a gay wedding. I am not having a dig at you Ivor, I just wonder if you are being 100% open with us. I mean, what leads to you feeling uncomfortable? I don't get it.

Would you be able to hold a close friendship with a gay person Ivor?

Gary.
PS - with regards to the jokes, I have NO PROBLEM cracking them in front of my various friends. I get more Kudos for keeping it real.
 
bidden said:
yeah medical terms such as cretin and imbecile were in the "patients" notes
Last year they were "service users" lost track of what the latest is

Some people don't like macro insects:shrug:
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still service users, sometimes clients.
 
Hmmm. I come from a generation when society had a very different attitude to homosexuality in either men or women, and I have my own views on the subject, which probably makes me a child of my times. I'll never understand homosexuality if I live to be 200. I've learned to be tolerant, as most of us have had to, and keep my opinions to myself, so I doubt the wisdom of this thread anyway. Homosexuality is legal, that's all we need to know. I'm just worried in case they make it compulsory. ;)

Would I do a gay wedding? Well I don't do weddings any more, but I probably would. :shrug:
 
I think it's important to remember there are 2 issues here. There is the individual, and their sexual orientation. I am a shop steward at work, and have on several occasions challenged individuals for expressing view about a person because of that persons sexual orientation. I am able to, and have, defended an individuals right for them not to be treated differently, or picked upon and bullied, because of their sexual preferences. That does not mean I have to agree with what they do. It's a bit like a Christian believing a Muslim has equal rights to their own to worship and carry out the requirements of that faith etc, without having to subscribe to the beliefs of the Muslim faith (if that makes sense?)

I saw two homosexual men kissing many years ago in a doorway in our local city, and I felt it was deeply wrong. But they still have (AND SHOULD HAVE) the right to behave that way should they wish.

I think an area of confusion is often that racism, ageism etc, is wrong because a person can not do something about their race/colour/age etc but people do have a choice about their sexual orientation. Therefore it is OK to have a go at them because it's their choice being attacked. "I mean lads, lets face it, there would never be any lesbians in the world would there if they had all met us 10 years ago!" - yeah, really. Hmmm, talk to them - is it a "choice" or just the way they are?

As I said, I'm not comfortable with seeing displays of homosexuality, but I can happily work along side a person who is homosexual, and get on with them fine. Where I find it a challenge is in looking at my own children. I have 3 young girls, and I do not know how they will develop in the future. If one of them wanted to enter into a civil partnership with another girl when she was older would I photograph the event. You bet I would - but I would find it really, really challenging on a personal level, but I wouldn't let my own beliefs cause me to miss out on the happiest day of her life. Would I be happy seeing any physically displays of affection, definitely not. But I think that what is important is not to judge the individual for their sexual preferences, but to respect it, even when we do not share that view.

I hope my rant has contributed to the discussion. Rant over.
 
You've opened up a whole can of worms here.:help:

But if you don't want to do it, then don't!
There are people who will do what ever they are asked to do, & there are those who will not.

My father is of the the older generation who complains about "queers", immigrants & hoodies.:shake:

I think I am more tolerant of the afore mentioned, but my children will be even more tolerant than me. :thumbs:
Its the way it is, but lets not jump straight in and put the boot in, we all have our nemisis and we won't all agree with them, there to many people who find it easy to criticise, but not complement.

Rant over.;)

Spence
 
Dave_Taylor said:
I think it's important to remember there are 2 issues here. There is the individual, and their sexual orientation. I am a shop steward at work, and have on several occasions challenged individuals for expressing view about a person because of that persons sexual orientation. I am able to, and have, defended an individuals right for them not to be treated differently, or picked upon and bullied, because of their sexual preferences. That does not mean I have to agree with what they do. It's a bit like a Christian believing a Muslim has equal rights to their own to worship and carry out the requirements of that faith etc, without having to subscribe to the beliefs of the Muslim faith (if that makes sense?)

I saw two homosexual men kissing many years ago in a doorway in our local city, and I felt it was deeply wrong. But they still have (AND SHOULD HAVE) the right to behave that way should they wish.

I think an area of confusion is often that racism, ageism etc, is wrong because a person can not do something about their race/colour/age etc but people do have a choice about their sexual orientation. Therefore it is OK to have a go at them because it's their choice being attacked. "I mean lads, lets face it, there would never be any lesbians in the world would there if they had all met us 10 years ago!" - yeah, really. Hmmm, talk to them - is it a "choice" or just the way they are?

As I said, I'm not comfortable with seeing displays of homosexuality, but I can happily work along side a person who is homosexual, and get on with them fine. Where I find it a challenge is in looking at my own children. I have 3 young girls, and I do not know how they will develop in the future. If one of them wanted to enter into a civil partnership with another girl when she was older would I photograph the event. You bet I would - but I would find it really, really challenging on a personal level, but I wouldn't let my own beliefs cause me to miss out on the happiest day of her life. Would I be happy seeing any physically displays of affection, definitely not. But I think that what is important is not to judge the individual for their sexual preferences, but to respect it, even when we do not share that view.

I hope my rant has contributed to the discussion. Rant over.
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Very well said:clap:
 
EdinburghGary said:
Well, I am a strange one. Going to be 100% open and honest here, as I can't do lies. Will try and keep it simple.


1: I enjoy gay jokes.
2: I enjoy racist jokes.
3: Two of my best friends are muslims.
4: My brother in law is gay.
5: My best friend at college was a muslim.
6: I have two gay friends.

I am not racist, nor a homophobe (although you would think otherwise if you heard my crack), and i don't understand how one can feel "odd" by witnessing a gay wedding. I am not having a dig at you Ivor, I just wonder if you are being 100% open with us. I mean, what leads to you feeling uncomfortable? I don't get it.

Would you be able to hold a close friendship with a gay person Ivor?

Gary.
PS - with regards to the jokes, I have NO PROBLEM cracking them in front of my various friends. I get more Kudos for keeping it real.
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Perhaps he is different to you Gary, just like your friends & brother-in-law!:shrug:

And I expect a couple of years older!;)

Spence
 
spencer said:
Perhaps he is different to you Gary, just like your friends & brother-in-law!:shrug:

And I expect a couple of years older!;)

Spence
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I can understand the old school attitude, or at least I think I can. What I have heard in person though, from the old school, would not fit "cannot get used to the sight". It would quite simply be "I hate the sight" etc.

I have older members of my family who will openly say in front of me how much they hate gay people as well as others who are different. This is the old school I know, I guess I am proud that I am part of a more tolerent generation.

Gary.
 
I'm pretty much the opposite of Ivor, I really do not like weddings at all and I stay well away wherever possible. I did make an exception and went go to a wedding (or civil ceremony if you prefer) of a gay couple I know, and from their day I can honestly say if I were into wedding photography I would be far happier covering gay weddings than the more usual b&g ones - if the marriage was now I would certainly take a camera (and yes I know I'm not good enough to go near a wedding) especially as they had very few pictures of their day. The whole thing was more relaxed and everyone was really happy, no worrying about outfits even though we all wore weddingy stuff.
Possibly I am more used to seeing 2 men together than a lot of people, but I am not at all uncomfortable about it.

I think if any photographer is not comfortable with doing any sort of shoot be it a gay wedding or a topless glamour shoot then they should tactfully decline the job so that the feelings of the person/people involved are not hurt.
 
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