I won't shoot gay weddings: am I odd?

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This is the old school I know, I guess I am proud that I am part of a more tolerent generation.
maybe this is a case of 'one of the old school' trying to be more understanding and tolerant, whilst remaining uncomfortable with gay weddings.

Maybe, just maybe, it is you that should be a little more tolerant towards the 'old school' :)
 
wouldnt bother me as long as i was being paid then again i am from blackpool
 
maybe this is a case of 'one of the old school' trying to be more understanding and tolerant, whilst remaining uncomfortable with gay weddings.

Maybe, just maybe, it is you that should be a little more tolerant towards the 'old school' :)

I do tolerate the old school, I just don't understand them :D If I were not to tolerate them, I would not be able to see a lot of my friends and family. I have a few people my age who I consider friends who trully are homophobic / racist and worse.

I have learned in life, you really have to turn a blind eye to peoples intolerences at times. Its only if they choose to act on them, to other peoples detrement, that would I consider that person trully nasty, and I would then distance myself. I have had to do this a few times in life, and I am proud that I was able to.

As I said, I was not wanting to have a dig at Ivor, just trying to understand where he is coming from.

I will tolerate those who do not tolerate, as long as its a personal thing which affects no one.

Gary.
 
The problem with this 'tolerance' idea is that in practice everyone gets to do do WTF they like, and it's affecting this society like a plague. We can see it all around us in the lack of respect for any kind of authority, in the lack of discipline in schools, and on our streets in any town in this country.

Wouldn't it be great if we just had the moral fibre to sometimes say, "Hey, you can't do that" and mean it!
 
Well, I am a strange one. Going to be 100% open and honest here, as I can't do lies. Will try and keep it simple.


1: I enjoy gay jokes.
2: I enjoy racist jokes.
3: Two of my best friends are muslims.
4: My brother in law is gay.
5: My best friend at college was a muslim.
6: I have two gay friends.

i can disagree with number 3. as i wouldnt befriend a muslim
2. my brother in laes are all straight, not that it matters
and i never was friends with a muslim... ever.

i am not homphobic at all. i dont mind gays/bi's/ transexuals. at all. i am racist yes i would admit that, but im not an agressive racist, im a passive one. i dont go yelling at them, or owt. i just think it. because i dotn agree with that. as a gay guest lecturer at uni said to me, beign predjudice is ok and normal, prejudice is when you dont act on what you think. racism is when you act upon your thoughts, so if anything i am predjudice and not racist. but perhaps its *** im from near blackpool i dotn mind gays at all. and i am only prejudice to asians not blacks. i like black people they are funky
 
The problem with this 'tolerance' idea is that in practice everyone gets to do do WTF they like, and it's affecting this society like a plague. We can see it all around us in the lack of respect for any kind of authority, in the lack of discipline in schools, and on our streets in any town in this country.

Wouldn't it be great if we just had the moral fibre to sometimes say, "Hey, you can't do that" and mean it!


I am very vocal when someone does something to hurt others. What I tried to say, if someone has beliefs which are intolerant, then so be it, who am I to tell them what to believe. When someone takes those beliefs, and uses them to hurt those who they hate, its a completely different ball game.

I have a few examples from when I have been vocal, and once, both with an outcome which could have led me to great trouble, so I am more wary now.

1:
On the bus home from College in a rough part of Edinburg, perhaps 8 years ago, I witnessed an arse spark up a cig on the bus. He was sitting near the driver, and when the driver asked him to put it out, he swore and mumbled. About 5 min later he lit another cig. At this point, a guy who was in the wheelchair bay, asked the guy to stop, as he was not in a position to get away from the smoke. The ****** blew smoke towards the chap in the wheelchair, whilst the packed bus sat and watched. I was now boiling inside (as I have a hatred of smokers FORCING non smokers to breath filthy air). Anyway, eventually I piped up, and told the guy to put it out. He started swearing and shouting at me, and another chap got involved, a chap with a long black beard and funny hat. I will cut this short. The smoker told the guy in the hat to f*** off back to his own country and mind his own business. He was being abusive to everyone, and was really scaring the chap in the wheelchair. I aksed the bus driver to stop the bus, which he did. I then shouted to a massive bloke a few seats behind me, and asked for help. We dragged the arse to the front door, and swung him to the street. He fell, cut his head on a wall, and we drove off. Everyone said thanks, but I realised I had been an absolute knob, if he had been seriously injured, I could have been jailed.


2:
Again, college years. My best friend was a muslim, Ahmed. Long and short of it, he was picked on by the older gang of muslims for bringing shame by hanging out with the white kids. I ended up standing up the head boy of the gang, and was threatened with stabbing and a severe beating.


3:
Lastly, this resulted in me getting a severe kicking. Will keep it short. After work, I witnessed three guys surround an old lady who owned a toy shop in a posh part of EDI. They had baseball caps and tracksuits, and I knew something was up in the shop. I am guessing they wanted the till takings. Anyway, I entered the shop and asked the lady if she was OK, at which point, the 3 guys ran past me out the door.

20 min later on the bus, they got on a few stops down from where I got on. They spotted me, and gave me a good beating before running off the bus to god knows where. That was really the last time I got involved with anyone elses affairs.


Gary.
 
i can disagree with number 3. as i wouldnt befriend a muslim
2. my brother in laes are all straight, not that it matters
and i never was friends with a muslim... ever.

i am not homphobic at all. i dont mind gays/bi's/ transexuals. at all. i am racist yes i would admit that, but im not an agressive racist, im a passive one. i dont go yelling at them, or owt. i just think it. because i dotn agree with that. as a gay guest lecturer at uni said to me, beign predjudice is ok and normal, prejudice is when you dont act on what you think. racism is when you act upon your thoughts, so if anything i am predjudice and not racist. but perhaps its *** im from near blackpool i dotn mind gays at all. and i am only prejudice to asians not blacks. i like black people they are funky


Very sad, your choice, but I would hate to think of the friends I would loose if I chose not to be friends with Muslims. I don't understand any of this I am afraid.

Gary.
 
i can disagree with number 3. as i wouldnt befriend a muslim
2. my brother in laes are all straight, not that it matters
and i never was friends with a muslim... ever.

i am not homphobic at all. i dont mind gays/bi's/ transexuals. at all. i am racist yes i would admit that, but im not an agressive racist, im a passive one. i dont go yelling at them, or owt. i just think it. because i dotn agree with that. as a gay guest lecturer at uni said to me, beign predjudice is ok and normal, prejudice is when you dont act on what you think. racism is when you act upon your thoughts, so if anything i am predjudice and not racist. but perhaps its *** im from near blackpool i dotn mind gays at all. and i am only prejudice to asians not blacks. i like black people they are funky

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Very sad, your choice, but I would hate to think of the friends I would loose if I chose not to be friends with Muslims. I don't understand any of this I am afraid.

Gary.

Not sad , its his choice... Being friends or not being friends with Muslims will not affect your life in anyway. A guy down my street could hate my guts for example , thats his choice.
 
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I am scared to say what I really feel, as I don't want to be branded as part of the PC crowd! But come on, the days of yesteryear are gone, and the age of accepting one another is here to stay, whether the old school like it or not...

Its got absolutely NOTHING to do with being politcally correct. Its about realising if we don't get along, the only race that matters, the human race, will one day cease to exist, and much quicker than we all might expect.

I agree, politcal correctness has gone crazy, but thats no excuse to be racist or homophobic from the shadows, hiding behind the "We hate political correctness" placard.

I am trully shocked at what some people are admitting to here!!

Gary.
 
Not sad , its his choice... Being friends or not being friends with Muslims will not affect your life in anyway. A guy down my street could hate my guts for example , thats his choice.

To hate millions of humans because they believe in a different god is plain and simply stupid, no other word for it. I tolerate stupid people, but lets call a spade a spade!

Gary.
 
Well if we're airing our opinions, I REALLY hate stupid people ;)
 
Heck, I didn't realise how many scarily stupid people there are on here.

i can disagree with number 3. as i wouldnt befriend a muslim
2. my brother in laes are all straight, not that it matters
and i never was friends with a muslim... ever.

i am not homphobic at all. i dont mind gays/bi's/ transexuals. at all. i am racist yes i would admit that, but im not an agressive racist, im a passive one. i dont go yelling at them, or owt. i just think it. because i dotn agree with that. as a gay guest lecturer at uni said to me, beign predjudice is ok and normal, prejudice is when you dont act on what you think. racism is when you act upon your thoughts, so if anything i am predjudice and not racist. but perhaps its *** im from near blackpool i dotn mind gays at all. and i am only prejudice to asians not blacks. i like black people they are funky

1. Someone needs to buy that lecturer a dictionary.

2. You don't like Muslims or Asiains? Or is it both? Care to expand on why?

Oh, sorry, this thread was supposed to be about sexual bigotry not race or religion wasn't it.
 
Guilty as charged ;)

I wish forums had a spell checker!! Saying that, compared to some, I do allright in the grammar depo.

Gary.
PS you forgot your full stop ;) !

This forum does have a spell check facility. (I cannot believe I have wasted my 700th post on this)
 
I personally cannot get used to the sight of homosexual couple's 'weddings'. Obviously I am old-fashioned, but am I queer?

Please note that no offence whatsoever is intended by this post, I am being honest and would just like to know what TP members think.

Try it, you might just like it. ;)

As for hating Muslims, treat everyone as an individual and as you want to be treated, that's my motto. My best friend in the world is a Muslim and and she's a member here, she's got more talent in her little finger than i will ever have.

For the record i'm a single, straight white male, so if there are any single females around. :naughty:
 
I personally cannot get used to the sight of homosexual couple's 'weddings'. Obviously I am old-fashioned, but am I queer?

Please note that no offence whatsoever is intended by this post, I am being honest and would just like to know what TP members think.

Have you actually been to gay wedding?

I went to a civil partnership ceremony for the first time just over a year ago as a guest. We met up with some friends the night before and I must admit a few lesbian jokes were made about the couple.

I think we were all a little apprehensive about attending the day.

It turned out to be a great day and we soon forgot about the fact the wedding couple were the same sex.

IMO it's the wedding couple and the guests that make any wedding day. Try it, you might change your mind.

BTW In my opinion it may not be best business sense refusing to do a single sex wedding. If you turn it down for that reason then maybe word will get around and heterosexual couples might not book you for your opinions either...
 
Im not a wedding togger but i do plan to be in the future.
I would have no problems shooting a gay wedding. I'm comfortable with my sexuality and feel every one should be able to marry the person they love who ever that is.
This is just my opinion and i do understand that some people have a problem with gay couples (normaly male couples as being a lesbian seems to be ok lol) when they are showing affection for each other in "peoples faces"
 
This is the problem, people jump on the PC band waggon and call everyone a Biggot, or a racist, or Fattist!(Im fattest byw!! LOL) I got a big belly!!

Anyway, iv been feeling that our rights to free speach are being erroded a little each day with comments like that.. these days you hardly see anyone supporting England in an overt way without people thinking their yobs or NF skin heads! but its fine to support anyone else..

Im ok with gay people, but im still a little squeemish about the overt goings on.. but in the whole i see the fun side to it..

Im often at events in the west end and the gay areas like Compton st ect.. its all very light hearted and fun.. even if im NOT too keen..

I was with Julian Bennett last night! we chat often and we were joking about him stalking me!! lol.. its all a lot of fun.. (He is a presenter from Queer eye for the straight guy)

Iv highlighted the Queer bit as thats another thing.. Its used all the time but only certain people are alowed to use it.. Like the 'N' word.. these words, if they find them SOOO offencive then they shouldnt be used at all..

I dont like the word Biggot either, unless of course the person being called it IS a Boggot.. and not just expressing an opinion in a respecfull way..

Right.. off to the photography section.. :thumbs:
I dislike the 'PC bandwagon' as much as the next person. However, being bigoted cannot be disguised as being "anti-all-that-PC-rubbish". They are two different things entirely. For the record, I would never deny someone's right to express themselves either verbally (ie. "I don't like gay people") or with actions assuming they are peaceful (ie. not shooting a gay wedding). But that goes both ways, and if someone said to me "I don't want to photograph a black couples' wedding" I would think that person to be a bigot and would expect the right to tell them verbally (ie. "you're a bigot") and through my actions (ie. by not going to the pub with that person and by not considering them a friend). Same goes for homosexuality. It's really very simple.
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with feeling uncomfortable with the idea, many people feel awkward seeing displays of affection between same sex couples. One could say that there must be homosexual couples that feel the same when seeing heterosexual couples getting intimate. On a personal level, displays of affection don't bother me at all, regardless of the sexual persuasion, although I don't like the 'sex on the pavement' extreme intimacy you sometimes see of particularly overt couples of all persuasions, thats what bedrooms are for!

On a business level I think you might be losing some good business - as someone already said, perhaps give one a go before saying a definate yes or no to future bookings.
 
i think on here somewhere a quote of i cant" understand the older generations beliefs" or words along that line, what must be remembered is where the morales and values of that generation came from, their parents.

where did theirs come from? thier parents, so the older generation values are set in the victorian generation onwards. the impact of the religous teaching at the time was that it was a sin to sleep with same sex.

as the bible has had less impact in the modern generation that is where the tolerance of the action/sin has come from.

but to stay clear of religous debate i think it also states in the bible love the person hate the action/sin.

all you need to do is look back at the 50/60's and single mothers where did the intolerance of that come from? born out of wedlock ohh look at her with that little *******.

so to finish i can totally understand where the objections come from, now a lot of morale guidance is from the telly and computer games, so how long until we are debating that it is ok to kill some one as they refused to hand over their car in the middle of down town GTA?
 
yep there was a gay guy at work that used to tell straight couples that they was discusting, when he saw them kissing and tell them that they made him feel sick. so it obviously made him uncomfortable
 
By heck this is one fine forum where all members of guys, you may care less about my opinion but judging by the shear and varied amount of replies to this thread its great to see everyone being open minded and working on their path to enlightenment, hopefully we'll all get some clarity on that before we die right!

I personally think if you have issues with peoples sexuality and want to talk about them you should ... I think airing those thoughts on a public forum for thousand is more of an attempt to justify your views, rather like shouting 'I'm straight Look at me' ... which is still quite a normal thing to do in our mixed aged society.

So I don't think your queer Ivor but I do think your living in fear, for what ever reason, as you've not explained what and why?

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Personally, I'm not racist, homophobic, or bigoted in any way, shape or form.
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I just hate f****** everyone equally!!


Back to the subject in hand - no, I wouldn't have a problem photographing a gay wedding. It's all about your personal ethics I suppose...
 
I don't think the OP is "Odd" as this reaction is quite normal in society. If someone asks you to photograph a same sex ceremony and you refuse on those grounds, I suppose technically it could be deemed as discrimination, so it would probably be more prudent to say "I'm busy that weekend" (Make sure they've told you the date before you say that though! :bonk::D)

Personally speaking, If I did weddings, I would be happy to photograph a same sex ceremony. They always seem to be less formal and much more fun. That's certainly the impression gained from Betty's photos! :thumbs:
 
What a strange thread

Well I have issues too...

I can't stand motorsport photography - does that make me a sloth ???

Oh, and I couldn't stand/understand 'Street' photography either, until I had a go - and those prejudices slipped away then too

My pet people hate though... seeing really truly hugely fat people eating Mars bars, and anyone smoking

Does that me me errr... whatever

DD
 
I don't think the OP is "Odd" as this reaction is quite normal in society. If someone asks you to photograph a same sex ceremony and you refuse on those grounds, I suppose technically it could be deemed as discrimination, so it would probably be more prudent to say "I'm busy that weekend" (Make sure they've told you the date before you say that though!


There you go freedom of speech GONE


Why on earth should someone have to lie.

Sorry but that makes my blood boil

And if they want a reason why could i not say the truth?

Yes Dave your now going to be bought before the motoring federation and shot :)
 
...When will this topic to be closed? I find this offensive as I am Gay, there is no point to posted this topic...
 
But the above begs the question, why?

What is offensive in the thread? Because someone is personally uncomfortable with an issue?

I don't think just closing the thread is going to help anyone.
 
HERE we go.................

I'm white and hetrosexual and it offends me but its still open......its called freedom of speech
 
There you go freedom of speech GONE


Why on earth should someone have to lie.

Sorry but that makes my blood boil

And if they want a reason why could i not say the truth?

Yes Dave your now going to be bought before the motoring federation and shot :)

Got nothing to do with freedom of speech. Everything to do with sensitivity towards other people, living in a civilized manner alongside them. It's not about lying, but about tact.

Now cool your blood!
 
...When will this topic to be closed? I find this offensive as I am Gay, there is no point to posted this topic...

I can sincerely say I am sorry if this post has caused you any offence, that was the last thing I wished to happen.
 
To hate millions of humans because they believe in a different god is plain and simply stupid, no other word for it. I tolerate stupid people, but lets call a spade a spade!

Gary.

:clap: :clap: Gary.


I may be going off the deep end here. Sorry if this offends anyone but..
Rant.

This is not a dig at Gary I'm with him but it's peoples ignorance about God and the 'bible Qur'an' etc, I would assume God is faithless and we are all his 'children' irrespective of the religion or sexual orientation we choose to follow.

'There is only one true god' according to Islam. They are absolutely right.

But when did God convert to Christianity,Islam, Judaism etc?
Unfortunately God as been hijacked by each faith for their own a agenda.
It's funny how all of these 'religions' promote tolerance and yet seem to hate each other.
They all revere Abraham, Moses, Mary etc who were Jews
Christians revere Jesus ,a jew, as the son god.
Muslims recognise Jesus as a prophet.

They have so much in common but are worlds apart.

We all have likes and dislike.......
 
I can sincerely say I am sorry if this post has caused you any offence, that was the last thing I wished to happen.

Thats okay.

Its just when people talk, they keep saying they are uncomfortable with the homosexual people: I find this offensive.
 
But when did God convert to Christianity,Islam, Judaism etc?
Unfortunately God as been hijacked by each faith for their own a agenda.
It's funny how all of these 'religions' promote tolerance and yet seem to hate each other.



:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: Great explanation of why the only true faith should be Atheism :D

DD
 
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