I started a new hobby today! (Guitar)

It's a very good resource for getting info on guitars in general and Les Pauls in particular. The Les Paul forum is also a very good place for info on Les Pauls.

It is indeed, I learn so much about Les Paul on there, how to spot fakes…there are so many fakes and so many threads about worrying buying a fake and people getting conned….also learn about the slight differences between each LP models, the good and bad years, the hatred of the 2015 models….that debate will drag on for the entire year I think.

I am very very happy I got mine now, I feel the price of them are going to go up soon with the new model getting a 30% spike as a result. I wanted one last year but couldn't find a new one I liked, so a month or so ago I began keeping an eye out for a used one more closely. Checking Reverb, eBay, forums etc. Came across Faded series, Gary Moore, Standard, even an R8 but my want were quite specific and long and none of the ones I saw I was 100% happy with.

I wanted:
1 – No gold top
2 – No cherry burst
3 – No burst with black edges
4 – No red back, has to be brown
5 – No pickguard
6 – With pick up covers
7 – Traditional style, so no coil tap
8 – Not too battered condition. Some signs of use is perfectly fine
9 – Original stock spec, no mods
10 – No refret
11 – All papers included if possible
12 – Close enough to drive and see in person (very important)
13 – With binding
14 – In original case
15 – Under £2,000
16 – Made between late 90's to 2012
17 – Weigh in at 9lb or under
18 - Not a baseball bat neck, i.e. no 58 neck.

I was willing to wait for the right one to come along, I gave myself the whole year pretty much to take my time and look for it, but as these things always goes, sometimes the right one just comes up. World Guitars is an hour from my house, they offered me a decent trade in price for the PRS meaning I was way under my budget. And the guitar ticked every box on my list (I broke 1 rule, it is 9 ounces over…lol), and I didn't need to look anymore.
 
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I tend to flip between the game and Justin Guitar lessons, I have a book of his tool.
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I hope its not a picture book :eek:

I've never played or heard one but that Bogner amp (and the cab in particular) are just gorgeous!
 
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lol.

Love the amp, the Lester sounds amazing through it.

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Lol From the Custom 22 Special?

It's not an upgrade in parts but upgrade in others.

To me, it's an upgrade to get an instrument that can deliver a couple of incredible sounds instead of a dozen nice ones - unless you're playing in a covers band & need to do all that. I have a Godin xtSA and Roland GR33 synth to go with it - it can be amazing to be able to bust out a sax solo, play penny whistle in the right place or riff away as a horn section, but all that pales compared to a great LP tone with a good amp (like that Bogner). On one level you may not appear to have upgraded, but I've played a few 'nice' PRS at shows, and they don't compare to a good Les Paul *for me*.

You also did well getting that under 2 grand.
 
To me, it's an upgrade to get an instrument that can deliver a couple of incredible sounds instead of a dozen nice ones - unless you're playing in a covers band & need to do all that. I have a Godin xtSA and Roland GR33 synth to go with it - it can be amazing to be able to bust out a sax solo, play penny whistle in the right place or riff away as a horn section, but all that pales compared to a great LP tone with a good amp (like that Bogner). On one level you may not appear to have upgraded, but I've played a few 'nice' PRS at shows, and they don't compare to a good Les Paul *for me*.

You also did well getting that under 2 grand.

I understand that now. It was funny how things work out actually. The PRS is a very nice instrument but its stand out feature is also its downfall. If I gig with only 1 guitar….then that would be the weapon of choice. Period but I don't so it was either a dozen or more of nice tones vs a hand full of epic tones from the LP. Besides, I also have a Custom 24 as well. I don't really want to be collecting guitars so as rare as that Custom 22 Special is, it was surplus to requirements.

When I sat down in the store, the owner set up the guitar for me in the demo room, he plugged it into a Matchless…I picked up the guitar, inspected it, looked it over then proceeded to played a chord and the hair on the back of my neck stood up. I thought to myself, "there it is". That's what people say about finding the right Les Paul that you bond with.
 
The bad bit is when you pass up a guitar that is like that. About 15 years ago I'd just started hunting semi-seriously for a Les Paul, but didn't really know *that* much about them - how variable they could be, how incredibly good, how extremely ordinary and sometimes how lousy. I popped over to Machine Head at Hitchin and tried a bunch of guitars they had in before I picked up a used Les Paul Studio Lite (i.e. chambered) with badly mis-matched top and a ridiculous price tag (£799 used when a new Studio was £700). It was simply a fabulous instrument, played really well, sounded weepingly wonderful & all that, but I could have bought a used standard privately for not much more and... NO WAY.

So I walked away, expecting to find another like that for 20% less.

I discovered there are a lot of Les Paul shaped guitars that I really wouldn't care to own, and even bought one (site unseen - stupid!). I have a great playing and sound LP now, and I very much like it, but it took a long time before anything close came along.
 
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The problem with Les Paul and particularly Gibson is that they never set up the guitar right out of the factory. Plus the way they are made, quite often the neck angle is wrong and the bridge needs to be set real high to compensate. It's pot luck that you get one that is both set up correctly off the hanger, and made well, their QC is not the best. Because of that, I knew if and when I see a gem, I got to make a move on it or I would be waiting a rather long time for another, especially with my 18 points requirement!
 
I heard things got a lot better after they put most of their output through the Plek system, though that doesn't stop the stupid mistakes in other areas apart from geometry. Sometimes I feel sorry for Gibson - what ever they do it's the "end of the world" according to certain people, whether it's weight-relieving bodies, using baked maple, fitting automatic electronic tuning or failing to innovate because people only buy Les Pauls and SGs in any quantities (I still want to try a good Moderne, and I've had a V, though that wasn't a great guitar).
 
I heard things got a lot better after they put most of their output through the Plek system, though that doesn't stop the stupid mistakes in other areas apart from geometry. Sometimes I feel sorry for Gibson - what ever they do it's the "end of the world" according to certain people, whether it's weight-relieving bodies, using baked maple, fitting automatic electronic tuning or failing to innovate because people only buy Les Pauls and SGs in any quantities (I still want to try a good Moderne, and I've had a V, though that wasn't a great guitar).

There is a core Gibson or just generally guitar players want nothing than a simple old school Les Paul. They want a solid body one, basically a 2013 Les Paul Traditional.

Gibson is in a strange bubble that they do not need to innovate their best selling product, just leave it and make it the same year on year, do nothing but colour changes and the guitar will sell itself. They can of course do side lines of various Les Paul variants but I do believe they need a line of guitars on the regular line up that is same as the 58-60 guitars. Without going VOS Historic Custom Shop prices.

They have none in that regard this year, even the Traditional now have the new shape neck, the robot tuners, the new brass nut. I don't mind them putting them in a regular Standard but Traditional should be just that.
 
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Gibson' management have puzzled most of rockdom for a long time now - no-one really knows what they're doing or why, but they manage to flog enough Les Pauls and SGs to keep the lights on.
 
To be honest, when I bought mine in 2002 I played quite a number of Gibsons and none of them had a neck angle problem. I almost bought one while on holiday in New York, but thought it might be a hassle getting it home. I bought the one I have from Sound Academy in Manchester. I would have been quite happy with any of the 2002 50's neck standards that I tried.

I did however find a lot of neck angle variation with Epiphone Les Pauls when I'd looked for one of those a couple of years earlier. Must have tried 20 before I found the right one for me, should have kept it.

As for Les Pauls vs PRS:
PRS are female, i.e. Exquisitely put together, available in a range of attractive finishes,can do more than one thing. The best one I've ever played was a Swamp Ash Special and by a long way too.

Les Pauls are male, i.e. A bit rough around the edges, generally only available in limited finishes, almost a one trick pony and has big hairy balls! :)

IMHO, nothing else sounds as good as a decent Les Paul through a decent amp.
 
Well, a Taylor 414CE followed me home today! Must say I'm well chuffed with it. Will take some pics and start a new thread...
 
Congrats - enjoy your new guitar. :)
 
Thanks Toni.. :)
 
Well, a Taylor 414CE followed me home today! Must say I'm well chuffed with it. Will take some pics and start a new thread...
Nice one. Enjoy :clap:
 
It will depend on who's playing the Gretsch and who the Les Paul: if it's Brian Setzer on the Gretsch then possibly.....

Yes. The Stray Cats Drink That Bottle Down has excellent rockabilly, blues and rock guitar tones all in the same song - but I was thinking of Jim Heath - Reverend Horton Heat.


Steve.
 
I have treated myself the past couple of days, nothing fancy smancy but 2 very playable and expertly set up guitars, they really do play like a dream..

Fender Telecoustic and Indie Futuristic, the sparkly silver is a coincidence I did not go out looking for same colour guitars. I also have a Fender Vaporizer arriving tomorrow.

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Congrats. My brother has an Indie acoustic, nice guitar and very good value.
 
Very cool trio of acquisitions! How does the vapourizer sound?
I bought an epiphone valve junior last night - my first venture into valve amps after having got my 1st electric nearly 20years ago.
 
That Fender Vaporizer looks cool. I think it would measure at least 975 milli-Fonzies on my cool-o-meter.


Steve.
 
Very cool trio of acquisitions! How does the vapourizer sound?
I bought an epiphone valve junior last night - my first venture into valve amps after having got my 1st electric nearly 20years ago.

had a Valve Junior combo some years ago and that was actually what I was after getting again until I demo'd the Vaporizer yesterday and was blown away, unfortunately the shop could not match GAKs current price, I don't mind paying extra but £100 extra is too much above my threshold, I felt a bit bad but at least I got the guitar from them.

anyhoo, the sound is stunning, very similar to the Epi a fair bit of extra beef and headroom being 12w and having 2 x 10" speakers, clean tones are 2 die for, vaporizer is something I will never use but boy does it RRAAAAWWWWWKKKKKKKKK...

my main surprise is the fender spring reverb unit, something I have never had, I have previously only ever experienced reverb via effects pedal/modelling units and not really been fussed but this 'proper' bouncy thing that is attached to the cab is really impressive.

just need the aquire a DOD(not Digitech) Grunge pedal now and I think I am back to the old school; been using computers, modelling units & PAs for so long now which is ace for recording but I wanted to strip it back for chilled out general noodling.
 
The VJ is a great base to start modding, if you want to get into that kind of thing. I ended up scratch-building a tweaked VJ circuit with a Marshally flavour, then a second version for 'Fendery' tones before recently going back and re-tweaking it to make it less congested and more open. Amazing how loud 5W can be through an efficient speaker too.

I'm just getting back into the amp building thing a little with my first proper own design (as much as anyone can have an own design - EVERYTHING is derivative).

David - why won't you use the Vaporizer? That Fender reverb should sound really lovely (my ideal reverb sound was from a silverface Reverb Delux I played back in about 1980).
 
David - why won't you use the Vaporizer? That Fender reverb should sound really lovely (my ideal reverb sound was from a silverface Reverb Delux I played back in about 1980).

yeah the Fender Spring Reverb is absolutely superb and has opened my eyes to reverb, I love it.. the Vaoporizer tone is just not my thing I purchased the amp solely for the beautiful cleans it produces. then my tastes go to the absolute opposite of the spectrum with a kick ass fuzz grungy shoegaze sound, something the Vaporizer switch does not achieve.
 
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being awestruck with how good the Indie Guitars are I GAS another in uber cool army green with some superb EMG inspired pickups, plays a beauty... got a few pedals now too, Fender PT 100 tuner, Digitech Grunge(couldn't find a Dod), Fender Chorus and NUX Loop Core... the star of the show still though is the Vaporizer amp, its my first twin large speakers all valve amp so its got that lovely clean headroom that I have never experienced before.

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Those Vaporizers are ridiculous value for money, especially now some dealers are knocking them out so cheap. Cool colours too! Not a fan of the Vaporizer effect from the demos I've heard, it sounds too flubby and farty for me, but the cleans are very nice.
 
From reading a bit more, I understand that the clean tone is actually from a solid state pre-amp, which is mildly amusing. I'd love to pick up one with a failed amp inside so I could gut & replace with something all valve, but it's unlikely that one would be available cheaply enough.
 
From reading a bit more, I understand that the clean tone is actually from a solid state pre-amp, which is mildly amusing. I'd love to pick up one with a failed amp inside so I could gut & replace with something all valve, but it's unlikely that one would be available cheaply enough.

that is interesting Toni, are the 2 x 12ax7's not running the pre amps then? the 2 x EL84s are obviously the power amp section and I was under the impressive 12ax7s are for pre amps..

Those Vaporizers are ridiculous value for money, especially now some dealers are knocking them out so cheap. Cool colours too! Not a fan of the Vaporizer effect from the demos I've heard, it sounds too flubby and farty for me, but the cleans are very nice.

yeah £199 I paid brand new delivered, absolute bargain and like you I am not a fan of the Vap mode I purchased it purely for the clean. the Vap switch in the home setting is a non starter you have to roll back the guitar volume so much.
 
I don't have specific details, nor have I seen the schema, so it's only heresay - IIRC the details were toward the end of that thread I linked.. One of those valves will be the phase inverter to drive the output valves in push-pull, and the other may well be involved in the pre-amp (the reverb is also op-amp driven) but apparently not as the primary stage.

For £199 you got a great bargain. I'd love a dead one for 50 quid as a chassis/cab.
 
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