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Thomas Massie: US congressman condemned for Christmas guns photo
The photo of Thomas Massie's family posing with firearms was posted days after a deadly school shooting.
Dave
I do not think Americans (US) have any idea how they appear to the rest of the world.
Dave
Why should they care? It’s their culture. Do you think the tribes that wear metal rings around their necks to extend them give a damn what we think of them?I do not think Americans (US) have any idea how they appear to the rest of the world.
Dave
Totally agree with your point about nasty goings on closer to home Alan, but just because things are legal in the USA doesn't make them acceptable. There is plenty going on here that is legal but objectionable.
Bearing in mind these gun-toting Republicans tend to be the ones who love hunting, shooting black people for trespass with impunity, and supporting the Capitol rioters, whilst at the same time being bible-thinping Christian evangelists, their hypocrisy and intellectual mediocrity needs to be questioned and challenged if they hold public office especially.
The thing is that this is the culture of some in the US. We may think it's bizarre or offensive but it's how they live, or at least how some of them live, and crucially it's legal under their laws. Criticising the culture and lawful behaviour of others is a difficult thing but I suppose as these are white Americans and Republicans it's ok.
A couple of jobs I've had have involved close ties with Americans and I often found myself shocked by the things they said. The conversation would be going along just fine and then there'd be a "Did they really say that?" moment. Well yes, they did really just say that. They may speak a similar language to us but a lot of them just are not us but if it's legal in their country and how they behave in their community what to do? TBH I'm more worried about FGM, forced marriages and grooming gangs which are to an extent cultural but illegal in the UK.
And for many in the US gun ownership and shooting is a hobby they enjoy. The only thing is that unlike say fishing or photography, if it goes wrong then it can be disastrous.
But as you say, each culture is different, each country has different things as to what is acceptable or not, and there are many countries with higher gun ownership IIRC than the US.
The US has by far the highest gun ownership of any country in the World, at 120.5 guns per 100 people.And for many in the US gun ownership and shooting is a hobby they enjoy. The only thing is that unlike say fishing or photography, if it goes wrong then it can be disastrous.
But as you say, each culture is different, each country has different things as to what is acceptable or not, and there are many countries with higher gun ownership IIRC than the US.
I note that the UK has no figure showing........does that mean so few per 100 that it is not of concern???The US has by far the highest gun ownership of any country in the World, at 120.5 guns per 100 people.
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Gun Ownership by Country 2026
Detailed data on gun ownership by country showcasing statistics such as the total number of firearms owned by civilians, the rate per one hundred people, and other details.worldpopulationreview.com
Would you have used it as your Christmas card/greeting though?I once had to park my Lotus Elan next to some light tank thingies at an army base and if I'd have had a camera with me I'd have taken a picture so am I any better![]()
A rotund old bloke gave them everything they wished forIt might be part of their culture, but wtf does it have to do with Christmas?
And for many in the US gun ownership and shooting is a hobby they enjoy. The only thing is that unlike say fishing or photography, if it goes wrong then it can be disastrous.
But as you say, each culture is different, each country has different things as to what is acceptable or not, and there are many countries with higher gun ownership IIRC than the US.
It might be part of their culture, but wtf does it have to do with Christmas?
The US has by far the highest gun ownership of any country in the World, at 120.5 guns per 100 people.
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Gun Ownership by Country 2026
Detailed data on gun ownership by country showcasing statistics such as the total number of firearms owned by civilians, the rate per one hundred people, and other details.worldpopulationreview.com
Hmmm, yes, that sounds about right...they're white Republicans and probably some sort of Christians so they're fair game.


To keep things in perspective:Their customs and practices may not be acceptable to you but lecturing foreigners is a slippery slope that seldom ends well. And to repeat, this is legal in the USA and there are parts of the USA where the population having what look to us to be military grade weapons is legal, normal and acceptable.
If you're going to get into sweeping judgmental generalisations I think you've made my point above, they're white Republicans and probably some sort of Christians so they're fair game. Personally I find your post more objectionable than their gun toting Xmas message.
Totally agree with your point about nasty goings on closer to home Alan, but just because things are legal in the USA doesn't make them acceptable. There is plenty going on here that is legal but objectionable.
Bearing in mind these gun-toting Republicans tend to be the ones who love hunting, shooting black people for trespass with impunity, and supporting the Capitol rioters, whilst at the same time being bible-thinping Christian evangelists, their hypocrisy and intellectual mediocrity needs to be questioned and challenged if they hold public office especially.
Their customs and practices may not be acceptable to you but lecturing foreigners is a slippery slope that seldom ends well. And to repeat, this is legal in the USA and there are parts of the USA where the population having what look to us to be military grade weapons is legal, normal and acceptable.
If you're going to get into sweeping judgmental generalisations I think you've made my point above, they're white Republicans and probably some sort of Christians so they're fair game. Personally I find your post more objectionable than their gun toting Xmas message.
I do not think Americans (US) have any idea how they appear to the rest of the world.
Dave
Well, here's the thing: the more a religion goes on about loving your fellow man and turning the other cheek, the more violence seems to be done in its name.I feel the same way (in respect of the latter point) about the Buddhist soldiers in Sri Lanka during their fairly recent civil war, the Hindu's in the Amritsar massacre and ISIS Muslims in their destruction of Palmyra and murder/rape of Christians during their Caliphate...

When I was at secondary school (RC high school) in the early seventies, we were taught in History, that the native American Indian had to be pacified by the settlers - Europeans - because they were basically savages.Well, here's the thing: the more a religion goes on about loving your fellow man and turning the other cheek, the more violence seems to be done in its name.
You'd almost think there was hypocrisy involved in these religions...![]()
I think there is a complex message in the card!
If this was not someone in public office it would perhaps be seen " just one of those things" but from a Congressman is the message polarising even in the states?
As for the weaponry, I surmise 50 or maybe even as recently as 25 years ago, would they have been holding hunting rifles.
Therefore the thing I still find hard to accept is that all the weapons are 'high count magazine' auto/semi-automatic i.e. ostensibly military grade.....though the mother appears to be holding a 'Tommy Gun' almost an antique (1930's to WW2)? Which is in its own way is more deadly.......the drum magazine I think held 100 rounds.
Are such types of guns really suitable for hunting or personal protection i.e. what regard are they seen as right for private ownership?
..... and are quite willing and able to lecture the rest of us who don't espouse their "values".They are totally oblivious to the way the rest of the civilised world views them.
I would guess as guns and shooting are a hobby, so holding them, polishing and cleaning them, taking to a shooting range and shooting things with them. That said I guess they do work well for protection if they get disturbed by a burglar!
Possibly because the conquistadors were the forerunners of that form of settlement/invasion.When I was at secondary school (RC high school) in the early seventies, we were taught in History, that the native American Indian had to be pacified by the settlers - Europeans - because they were basically savages.
We also know that Canada did the same thing.
I cannot recall whether or what I was taught about 'new world' colonisation.Possibly because the conquistadors were the forerunners of that form of settlement/invasion.
I was at secondary school early seventies and don't recall being taught that version of history.
As you will hear ad infinitum, the Europeans "had god on their side"....resulting what today might be thought of as being conned & defrauded of.their land & rights,
/rantAs you will hear ad infinitum, the Europeans "had god on their side".
I wonder how old those children were before they were "introduced" into American gun culture......![]()
From that article -
".........Danas, whose daughters are 11 and 13, said his girls learned to shoot when they were 4 years old, with a single-shot, .22-caliber pistol."
Just reading the article reminds me that I read when the Uzi was first spoken about was its "kick" that could even surprise those used to handling such weaponry.Your question reminded me of this incident involving a 9 year old at a shooting range in Arizona when she accidentally killed the instructor. To take a 9 year old to a shooting range just confirms the ingrained acceptance of gun ownership. I see that when CNN contacted gun experts the answer wasn't that such a young child should not have been taken to a range but that young children should be taught to shoot with single shot firearms not sub-machine guns. I was a 9mm Israeli-made Uzi.
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Child firing Uzi at Ariz. shooting range accidentally kills instructor, police say | CNN
A 9-year-old girl firing a submachine gun accidentally killed her instructor at a shooting range when the weapon recoiled, authorities said.edition.cnn.com
From that article -
".........Danas, whose daughters are 11 and 13, said his girls learned to shoot when they were 4 years old, with a single-shot, .22-caliber pistol."