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I hate having to do this, but lately Ive been seeing more and more snide and hurtful comments from professionals, slating people trying to make it as pros.

I wont mention any names, or any threads, but we all have to start somewhere, just bear that in mind please. Its like being stuck behind a learner driver, that was YOU in the drivers seat once, be nice to us n00bs ok? :) Lets keep TP the friendliest forum on the net, got it? :)

Now leave me be, I am on a mega high today, and noones gonna bring me down ;) :woot:
 
I agree, however i think there is a need sometime (can be nicely done though) to make people aware about have they stongly thought about it and are there aware of what it takes.

On the wedding front, people need to reliase they are not easy and you can't afford for more and more people to be advertising as wedding photographs and start to give the profession a bad name,

Although i agree everyone has to start somewhere and i personally would never do a wedding by myself but would want to shadow to make sure i am capbable before i advertise.

and i am NO pro.
 
I have never said I am a pro, and I have agreed to do a wedding next month. They know full well I am a total novice, and they are ok with that. The problem comes if I tell them I am a pro, charge them the earth, and then produce sub standard images.

Just another point ;)
 
Which pros have been slating people around here betty? must have been something i missed or was it over a period of time?

Tony
 
Yeh i agree, i think there is a market for people who can't afford to pay top pro prices £1000-£2000 a day but want photos better than uncle fred can take.

There are many of us out there i think who could do a Good job and take better qaulity photos then relatives and charge around £300. The couple who cannot afford the £2000 are happy as they really like the photos and are better than others and also may not beablt to tell from a none pro eye the difference,

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Its been over a period of time, nothing really hurtful, just little snide comments from time to time.

I am not here to point fingers, I am just saying, show a little compassion :)
 
TG, no need to really say the names, itsn't really part if the argument.

although look hard enough and you will find ;)
 
Betty - Just don't listen to them, if there being hurtful then they are not worth it :)

visualisetheworld - I have my thoughts to as who this is already :lol:

Tony
 
Hey, aint noone gonna bring me down! I am rock 'ard me :D

I do feel for the newer members though, sometimes if these posts are the first they see, well, it doesnt give them much hope :(
 
I agree, I've seen before where someone just said lol and then went in a thread someone posted
 
I plead guilty to (occasionally) losing patience with people who ask questions but don't like the answer...
Often this isn't the original poster, just some know-all who thinks that exposure, focus, lighting or whatever doesn't matter, it can all be fixed in PS.

My view is that forums are for people to ask sensible questions and get sensible answers. If you don't want to know how to do it properly, don't ask the question.
And if you don't know the answer, don't mislead people by posting rubbish.
 
Aimee K said:
Especially if they are young! Some encouragement is always nice, and critique is useful, it's just the way it is said!
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That wasn't refering to the post directly above mine, it was meant as be nice to the young newbies!
 
I'm young and not scared by any of you :bat:
 
Garry Edwards said:
If you don't want to know how to do it properly, don't ask the question.
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I do agree with this, Ive seen people come and go after posting what they thought was a perfect image, people commented (and said heads cut off, OOF, under exposed etc) and the newbie upped and left because they were unhappy with honest critique :shrug:
 
Hope I'm not one of them! :eek:

But without an idea of what you mean by 'snidey comments' I must admit I haven't a clue, can you point out a type of comment that's so offensive so I can avoid such

Cheers

DD

PS - and all amateurs are crap btw :naughty::naughty::naughty:
 
I'm a member of another photography forum and it's full of people who constantly run down other members and thier work. It is always the same people who do it. The sad thing is, there are a small group of people who post in every thread, in every forum. My experience of talkphotography is that it's friendly and welcoming as a rule. Lets hope that a few nasty small minded individuals don't manage to monopolise what for me is a great source of good advice and superb photography.
 
See, 16 is the age I was when I knew I wanted to get into Photography. I don't think that's too young to know what your doing and whether you want a career in it! Good for you for joining these forums so you can get critique and learn more!
 
Aimee K said:
See, 16 is the age I was when I knew I wanted to get into Photography. I don't think that's too young to know what your doing and whether you want a career in it! Good for you for joining these forums so you can get critique and learn more!
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Thanks, i am posted alot of photos, just done some urban ones and i am happy with my quality of work.

A couple of my photos have been used comercially on a website and i feel my photos are actually good, and so have others from feedback.

I really need the feedback to learn and i like it when someone says thats does nothing for me because..........

BUT I HATE it when someone says thats rubbish with no C&C as how can you learn from that?
 
Aimee K said:
See, 16 is the age I was when I knew I wanted to get into Photography. I don't think that's too young to know what your doing and whether you want a career in it! Good for you for joining these forums so you can get critique and learn more!
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16 ?

I was 15 when I shot my first wedding :eek::eek::eek: - and they came out pretty well considering. I did have two assistants push/shove/bully them into line for the shots though (mum & aunty)

Manual metering, manual hammerhead flash, manual focussing, manual film wind, manual posting the film off for development, manual sticking in album for them with that white glue stuff

5 years later the bride (my cousin) manually tore the album to shreds when hubby ran off with another woman

How did I learn to do all that by 15? I read the manual !!! :D

DD
 
I think that, for the most part, experienced members here try to be constructive in their advice whilst warning of the pitfalls they may encounter.
Some of the advice given can also be seen to ruffle a few feathers.
Both types of advice can have their merits.
The first can encourage and inform.
The second can build backbone to face the real world of amateur/semi/professional photography.
Rudeness and derision is not acceptable and thankfully we don't see too much of that here, what there is is usually jumped on by another member.
just my opinion. :)
 
I'm 16, i am definitely trying to get a career in Photography, whether its wildlife, promotional work for bands, live band shoots or landscape i have no idea yet... but i can't wait to find out :D:D:D
 
There are polite and sensitive ways of critiquing someones work honestly without putting them off or scaring them away. True pros don't need to parade their abilities and talent it speaks for itself and putting other people down to boost your own ego is just a clear sign of insecurity and lack of confidence.
 
I only got into togging at the ripe old age of 25 :D
 
People seem to come into a forum, ask a basic question, but expect everyone to give out their full catalogue of secrets, hints and tips falling just short of actually lending the equipment to do the job.

People seem to use a forum as their only apparent avenue of research. I say apparant because subsequent messages and follow up to replies indicate that there hasn't been any.

I'm sure any experienced photographer (amateur or professional) would give a less abrupt answer if the person asking either showed understanding and replied with maybe another question which showed they had been thinking about things. Saying thanks occassionally helps as well.

Sometimes stating facts as hard black and white without sugar coating things is good - if the thread I'm thinking about (recent wedding thread) then the warnings saying its not easy were appropriate and would have put my mindset towards what it needed to be to approach the shoot properly
 
For the most part our membership is incredibly friendly, and of that we are extremely and fiercefully proud.

There are one or two who seem to have absolutely no tact or diplomacy when offering opinions, resulting in very harsh, and rude comments. That's not acceptable.

However, in the same light there are people that only want to hear good things about their photos, in the same vein that's also not acceptable to go off in a huff when someone disagrees.

We're all supposed to be grown ups here, and I think we can all take a step back to think about how our comments and actions are perceived. Those with giant Egos really don't fit in to our friendly community, whether they're the ego of the commenter, the photographer, the amateur or the pro :)

Thankfully, like Susane says, there isn't much of it on here, but we're very good at spotting possible troublemakers within a few posts, and cards get marked early on.....We're never wrong ;)
 
Disagree completely i`m afraid, a lot of the pro`s on here are very helpful, as indeed are the vast majority of good togs on here. The problem occours when somebody comes online suggesting that they are a "new pro tog", when they have done no research, no reading or no practice leading up to their new found pro status. Their lack of knowledge is alarmingly apparent with some of the questions they ask, the obvious one that I can recall is " Doing a pro wedding,what lens should I use?", I don`t shoot weddings, but I sure know which two of my lenses I would take along if I did.

I`m no pro, not even a good amatuer, but I read about DOF,aperture,ISO,shutter speed, which lenses to use and what each of these factors achieve. The fact that the digital age has made photography easier and more affordable(?) seems to have enabled a lot of people to go out and buy a entrance level camera and lens and describe themselves as a pro after a week.This is simply not the case and it irks me, never mind some of the guys who have done consistant high standard professional photography for years.

Reading an issue of a mag and buying a D40 with an 18-55 (for example only) does not make a pro .

Just my opinion.
 
PS. I'm not referring to anyone or any thread inparticular, I have no threads in mind when replying here :)
 
Aimee K said:
Especially if they are young! Some encouragement is always nice, and critique is useful, it's just the way it is said!
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i am only young (ish at 22) and think that some people can be over critical straight away in all honesty. i am still learning and this is the only place i would post photography related gubbins etc (photography wise forums) and other car ones i am on and the only critcs i get is from here funnily enough, i dont mind it, it helps but some people only ever seem to take negatives from a picture
 
i agree with what you say mostly, but some of the rude comments do sound a bit justified.

i also think a lot of people agree to the £300 first wedding without realising costs and risk.

i think it is fine do it for family/friends whos budget doesnt allow for a tog(ive done it)

but when a person comes on and asks which camera to get as there turning professional, but only list there other camera as a p&s, it does belittle the industry a bit.

ps: not a pro, never sold any photo.(prob not even any good)
 
Ahh... don't say 'ripe old age', that makes me feel OLD! hehe (I'm 26... just!)

I agree with visualisetheworld... if your going to make a comment on someones photo, at least expand on why the shot does/doesn't work for you. this also will make the comments less 'bitchy' and more useful! Bitchy probably isn't the right word to use as I'm sure it's not intended in that way, just the way some posts can come across!

I was 12 when I got my first SLR camera, but was just a keen photographer. I was 16 when I started taking it seriously and looked into courses etc.

Band photography is a good route to take if you enjoy music DavidB... it's hard though, getting the right lighting, movement and mood of the band, a lot to think about. Fun though! If you want to get into that, it's a good idea to e-mail and call your local music magazines and entertainment websites and see if you can get a presspass in exchange for some shots for them to use. Or just send them some shots to see if they can use them!
 
Oh I agree fletch. There are some people (not necessarily on here, I'm just generalising), who think they can just buy a camera, then turn pro, and it *does* belittle the industry in a way.

The best way is to encourage it with positive, honest, but most importantly polite comments, which isn't that hard to be honest.
We have one of the most diverse languages in the world. If someone can't be constructive AND polite at the same time, then I think they need to take some English lessons :lol:
 
Betty said:
I hate having to do this, but lately Ive been seeing more and more snide and hurtful comments from professionals, slating people trying to make it as pros.
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Can't say I've noticed any. I think it's important to differentiate clearly between 'snide and hurtful' and brutally honest. The two are not the same. As I said, I can't think of any examples, so this doesn't relate to specific threads.

Perhaps what I'm trying to say is that it's a tough world out there. Learning to live off self-confidence and pay no attention to negative comments wouldn't be such a bad thing.
 
Aimee, doing that as we speak :) Doing some promo's soon, also got an agreement to do some shots for a guy who orginises gigs which is win win for me, get to see my favorite local bands and take some photos :)
 
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