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I cannot believe some people! I was stopped by four coppers in the city park. A paranoid idiot said I was taking photos of his kids.

I was absolutely astonished because I was crouching down getting close to the daffodils, and never pointed the camera towards anything else.

Also the nearest I got to anyone was about 20 yards, with a phone camera, anybody would be a speck in the distance.

My friend Liz also had trouble taking photos in the city park, a man argued with her, saying he was going to smash her camera for taking photos of his kids. Perhaps it was the same man that reported me, if so he needs help!
 
Photon_joe said:
I cannot believe some people! I was stopped by four coppers in the city park. A paranoid idiot said I was taking photos of his kids.

I was absolutely astonished because I was crouching down getting close to the daffodils, and never pointed the camera towards anything else.

Also the nearest I got to anyone was about 20 yards, with a phone camera, anybody would be a speck in the distance.

My friend Liz also had trouble taking photos in the city park, a man argued with her, saying he was going to smash her camera for taking photos of his kids. Perhaps it was the same man that reported me, if so he needs help!
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You should say 'ok I'll call the cops and we can wait together so he can look at my camera.'
 
Just tell him you earn £1500 a day for taking portraits of kids, why would you want to take pics of theirs for nothing!!
 
susie said:
Just tell him you earn £1500 a day for taking portraits of kids, why would you want to take pics of theirs for nothing!!
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aaaand bam, I have a new answer for if I ever have any problems with this... :D
 
susie said:
Just tell him you earn £1500 a day for taking portraits of kids, why would you want to take pics of theirs for nothing!!
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Pure quality!! :)
 
I was talking about this in the pub last night. I reckon most people - even non photographers - are on the same school of thought, and it is this: The government are a load of power hungry numpties who just want to point the finger.
 
trencheel303 said:
I was talking about this in the pub last night. I reckon most people - even non photographers - are on the same school of thought, and it is this: The government are a load of power hungry numpties who just want to point the finger.
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While I agree with the point, don't see what it's got to do with this thread. Police were only responding to a reported offence. If I had cause to report something along these lines (presumably with more evidence - although if it was a Nikon user I might be tempted just for the amusement factor*) then I'd be sorely disapointed if the police didn't at least talk to the individual involved.








*Obviously, this is a joke. If it's not obvious, then a sense of humour transplant may be required.
 
The fault lies with the paranoid idiot who called the police, not the officers themselves.

As always, we're in a no-win situation. We have to respond to a call like that and do a small amount of investigation at the scene, but it should be quickly established that no offence has been committed, and be dealt with simply and politely.
 
Fair enough, I didn't think of it that way.
 
Breaker said:
While I agree with the point, don't see what it's got to do with this thread. Police were only responding to a reported offence. If I had cause to report something along these lines (presumably with more evidence - although if it was a Nikon user I might be tempted just for the amusement factor*) then I'd be sorely disapointed if the police didn't at least talk to the individual involved.








*Obviously, this is a joke. If it's not obvious, then a sense of humour transplant may be required.
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just reported this post to the police( JUST FOR THE AMUSEMENT FACTOR) :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
It makes you ponder on the thought processes of the person who said you were taking photos of his kids.
My first reaction was a tabloid reading, serial soap-opera, reality tv, game show watching, semi-literate cretin with anger management issues.
There are, after all, quite a few of this species in the world. Witness the success of tabloid newspapers, chewing gum for the eyes tv etc. They would not exist without an audience, after all.
Regrettably, it requires little intellect to breed. Onward to the next generation of lowlife.

Support the paranoia of these types with hysterical media campaigns and a government obsessed with social engineering and micro managing our lives and we have a real problem.

Be careful out there.
 
About 6 weeks ago I took my ten year old girl to the park with my wife, I had the 400D with me with the 28-135 lens on, I was standing talking to a friend who turned up with her little boy and they all went off to play together, now i started to take some piuck of my little girl on the swings and rounderbout, now unbeknown to me at the time was a parent stood to my left about 4 yards away. according to my wife he was really getting adjitated at me snapping away.
I was non the wiser as he stayed where he was but the wife said he never took his eyes off of me once the camera was out and was talking to his wife pointing etc etc.
My only wish was he came over and spoke to me, as when taking pics of my little girl there was no one else around (kids I mean) and she was on rthe swings and rounerbout all on her own.
I can see why people feel threatend in a way but it is beyond a joke when you cannot take pics of your own kid.

I like that answerr of earning money to take portrates will have to remember that one as it sounds alot less threatening than the answer this bloke would have got had he said anything to me.
I will be polite till there is a time not to be polite but thats another story.

Its a sad sad world we live in right now and its only going to get worse, this is just the tip of the iceberg as they say.

Spike
 
People are so paranoid. If you were really a p*** why the hell would you be so blatant about taking pictures? You would be hidden in a bush or something not stood in clear view with a large DSLR camera. Numpties!
 
There's absolutely no way I'm ever going to be made to feel paranoid about taking photos of my Grandson (he's four), by anyone, or any society. I love him to bits and as far as I know that works both ways too.
 
ElegantSpoon said:
People are so paranoid. If you were really a p*** why the hell would you be so blatant about taking pictures? You would be hidden in a bush or something not stood in clear view with a large DSLR camera. Numpties!
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i feel the same way, if i was a p**** i would be trying to blend in and so i would buy a point n shoot camera instead of a "look at me" SLR.
 
It's a sad fact, but the media campaigns warning of P****-geddon are unfortunately starting to take hold. Street photography is an area that I've always thought will generate a little confrontation as people become suspicious around cameras, especially if they're pointed in their general direction, but it is ridiculous nowadays.

I often point out that if they're so paranoid about their image being captured they shouldn't enter shopping centres, supermarkets, buses, airports, sports centres, etc...
 
I was about to start a new post regarding the exact same thing that has just happened to me, I have just been to the park with my wife and our 2 children, I took along my 1d3 and my newly purchased 135 to take some shots, I was extra careful to only raise my camera when my kids were isolated, within 10 minutes of being there I was approached by an over zealous park warden telling me I had to stop taking photos, I pointed out that I was only taking photos of my own children and was quite happy for him to look through the pics, he told me that unless I stopped he would call the police, unnoticed by me at this time several parents had started to gather,about 4 or 5 fathers were now close by me and started telling me I had no right and that my sort should leave the park, I pointed out that the children were my children and that I was happy for them to look at the pics, by this point I was angry but embarrassed, I promptly collected my children and wife and left, I have to say, I sit here typing this and I am completely at a loss at peoples reactions, what should have been a pleasant sunday afternoon visit to the park quickly turned sinister, has the world gone mad?
 
orinoco said:
I was about to start a new post regarding the exact same thing that has just happened to me, I have just been to the park with my wife and our 2 children, I took along my 1d3 and my newly purchased 135 to take some shots, I was extra careful to only raise my camera when my kids were isolated, within 10 minutes of being there I was approached by an over zealous park warden telling me I had to stop taking photos, I pointed out that I was only taking photos of my own children and was quite happy for him to look through the pics, he told me that unless I stopped he would call the police, unnoticed by me at this time several parents had started to gather,about 4 or 5 fathers were now close by me and started telling me I had no right and that my sort should leave the park, I pointed out that the children were my children and that I was happy for them to look at the pics, by this point I was angry but embarrassed, I promptly collected my children and wife and left, I have to say, I sit here typing this and I am completely at a loss at peoples reactions, what should have been a pleasant sunday afternoon visit to the park quickly turned sinister, has the world gone mad?
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OMG - mob law, what is the world coming to. Glad I don't have kids.
 
orinoco said:
I was about to start a new post regarding the exact same thing that has just happened to me, I have just been to the park with my wife and our 2 children, I took along my 1d3 and my newly purchased 135 to take some shots, I was extra careful to only raise my camera when my kids were isolated, within 10 minutes of being there I was approached by an over zealous park warden telling me I had to stop taking photos, I pointed out that I was only taking photos of my own children and was quite happy for him to look through the pics, he told me that unless I stopped he would call the police, unnoticed by me at this time several parents had started to gather,about 4 or 5 fathers were now close by me and started telling me I had no right and that my sort should leave the park, I pointed out that the children were my children and that I was happy for them to look at the pics, by this point I was angry but embarrassed, I promptly collected my children and wife and left, I have to say, I sit here typing this and I am completely at a loss at peoples reactions, what should have been a pleasant sunday afternoon visit to the park quickly turned sinister, has the world gone mad?
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As a female I find it hard to put myself in such a position; as yet women don't generally get that sort of response. But I can empathise and would suggest it has more to do with the ignorance of those who accuse. As a stroppy c** I'd have insisted on the warden calling the police so that I could have a witness to his accusation for the later civil case when I sue him for slander! :naughty:
 
I'd have called the police myself!
But only after threatening to sue the park warden for harassment. I doubt that legally I'd have a leg to stand on, but clearly he's no idea of the law either.
There is no law against taking photographs in a public place and it's time we stood up for this.
 
orinoco said:
I was about to start a new post regarding the exact same thing that has just happened to me, I have just been to the park with my wife and our 2 children, I took along my 1d3 and my newly purchased 135 to take some shots, I was extra careful to only raise my camera when my kids were isolated, within 10 minutes of being there I was approached by an over zealous park warden telling me I had to stop taking photos, I pointed out that I was only taking photos of my own children and was quite happy for him to look through the pics, he told me that unless I stopped he would call the police, unnoticed by me at this time several parents had started to gather,about 4 or 5 fathers were now close by me and started telling me I had no right and that my sort should leave the park, I pointed out that the children were my children and that I was happy for them to look at the pics, by this point I was angry but embarrassed, I promptly collected my children and wife and left, I have to say, I sit here typing this and I am completely at a loss at peoples reactions, what should have been a pleasant sunday afternoon visit to the park quickly turned sinister, has the world gone mad?
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WOW... so sad when you can't take photos of your own children playing in the park.
 
Breaker said:
Police were only responding to a reported offence.
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But that's not an offence at all!

Amazes me really TBH, the police will respond to such idiots for that, but not to a disabled woman being assaulted or harrassed :bang::bang: (yes, speaking from experience here!)

Other than that...why would a P**** take pics of someone in the park, especially in winter/cold spring? Surely paedos want to see images of children naked or near naked, not in winter coats and all wrapped up? :shrug:
 
Its a bl++dy shame really because in years to come daughters and sons are going to ask why is it, that there is NO pictures of us when we was young been taken in the park or out playing, why is that dad :bang:

Got a photo album mate.
 
orinoco said:
I was about to start a new post regarding the exact same thing that has just happened to me, I have just been to the park with my wife and our 2 children, I took along my 1d3 and my newly purchased 135 to take some shots, I was extra careful to only raise my camera when my kids were isolated, within 10 minutes of being there I was approached by an over zealous park warden telling me I had to stop taking photos, I pointed out that I was only taking photos of my own children and was quite happy for him to look through the pics, he told me that unless I stopped he would call the police, unnoticed by me at this time several parents had started to gather,about 4 or 5 fathers were now close by me and started telling me I had no right and that my sort should leave the park, I pointed out that the children were my children and that I was happy for them to look at the pics, by this point I was angry but embarrassed, I promptly collected my children and wife and left, I have to say, I sit here typing this and I am completely at a loss at peoples reactions, what should have been a pleasant sunday afternoon visit to the park quickly turned sinister, has the world gone mad?
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Wow! That's pretty bad. Actually, I take that back, it's a ******* disgrace!
Next time (if you can be bothered to put yourself through the hassle again) insist they DO call the Police - in fact, call them yourselves, and say you feel intimidated/threatened, and you would like the lynch mob cautioned at the very least. You ARE allowed to take pictures in a public place, even of other peoples kids, whether they like it or not. (I wouldn't recommend this, however, unless they're really sexy :D) (oops - that's a bad taste joke, btw, before anyone starts...)

You shouldn't be made to feel that way, and you sure as hell should not have somebody implying you are a paedophile simply because you are taking a picture of your own children.

The real irony is that, were any of us actually paedos, I'd hazard a guess you'd get far more exciting pictures from google images than you would in the park, without running the risk of some hatstand of a parent giving you a load of grief. The only people likely to wield a big old slr in public are togs...a P**** simply wouldn't want to draw that much attention to themselves (I assume...)

Where does all of this stop, though? Where do we go from here? That's more worrying. In the above situation, it sounds like it wouldn't have taken much for it to turn into a violent confrontation...over someone taking pics of his own children in a public park.
 
Bill Roberts said:
I'd have called the police myself!
But only after threatening to sue the park warden for harassment. I doubt that legally I'd have a leg to stand on, but clearly he's no idea of the law either.
There is no law against taking photographs in a public place and it's time we stood up for this.
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Absolutely agree.

If the demands being made by the baying mob are totally unreasonable, as is clearly the case with the OP's and Orinoco's experiences, then I'd make a point of not bending to their wishes. Infact, I'd be sorely tempted to deliberately start taking pictures of the angry mob. It's a public place, right?

If it turned violent then so be it. :shrug:
 
My opinion;
Another example of how much of our society has lost the plot.

Opinions and attitudes formed by the "oracle" of populist/sensationalist media.

Little or no independent/rational thought.

We're turning into a nation of drones who can't think for ourselves and believe virtually all the nonsense we're spoonfed on a regular basis.

Sad and pathetic! :cuckoo: (rant over)
 
Under the situations so far described, I'd have preferred for the police to have been called because, as far as I am aware, there are no laws yet in this country that forbid you from taking photographs in a public place or of anyone who happens to be in that public space.

Furthermore, if the police do turn up, they have no legal right to ask you to delete any photographs that you may have taken. Admittedly given the reactions encountered, it could get a little fraught as I am sure that the other adults present making the complaints would probably insist that they have the right to ask for the pictures deleted if any of them are of their own children.

I guess that most of us would react rather meekly in such situations if only to try and keep the peace and to prevent escalation of the situation to something that could get ugly.

As others have said, it's a sad state of affairs that we find ourselves in now.
 
And so the art of photography as a media to record social history, takes one more step towards the fiery hell of idiocy, where stupidity and ignorance rule:(
 
Hmm, this could be an idea for a set...

"Pedonoia"

Anyone brave enough to snap the angry Daily Mail readers in action? :D
 
Whichever way you cut it, I don't see the photographer winning.

So the police are called, they arrive and everyone has their say.
The easiest way out of this situation for the Police is to remove the photographer, this is made very simple by arresting and charging the tog with causing public harassment, alarm or distress........or antisocial behaviour or some other crap.
The fact that the parents have no right or reason to be harassed, alarmed or distressed is irrelevant, the fact that they are makes it quite difficult for the Police to allow the tog to continue.
So now you have paranoiac, misinformed, ignorant over protective parents deciding who can do what and where by the level of distress and alarm they display to the Police that they call.
"You can shoot what you want in a public place as long as nobody objects" isn't quite how I thought photography in a public place would be.
 
I was in Friesland in the Netherlands a few weeks back in a little town called makkum,.
the water was frozen and families and kids were out skating on the canals. I went out with my camera with the 70-200 on so it was pretty obvious and took loads of shots. Nobody batted an eyelid, and I wasn't known at all in the town.

This is very much a British problem, possibly just an English one.
 
joxby said:
Whichever way you cut it, I don't see the photographer winning.

So the police are called, they arrive and everyone has their say.
The easiest way out of this situation for the Police is to remove the photographer, this is made very simple by arresting and charging the tog with causing public harassment, alarm or distress........or antisocial behaviour or some other crap.
The fact that the parents have no right or reason to be harassed, alarmed or distressed is irrelevant, the fact that they are makes it quite difficult for the Police to allow the tog to continue.
So now you have paranoiac, misinformed, ignorant over protective parents deciding who can do what and where by the level of distress and alarm they display to the Police that they call.
"You can shoot what you want in a public place as long as nobody objects" isn't quite how I thought photography in a public place would be.
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I live in hope (it's just up the road from exasperation!) that if the Police showed up, and the tog managed to remain calm, polite, pass the attitude test etc, and not be all stroppy about it, the mob would be informed that the tog was doing nothing illegal, has as much right to be there as anyone else, and is legally allowed to take pictures if she/she wants to...and if any members of the mob do not like it, they should remove themselves from the situation and take it up with their MP.

Is that just being ridiculously optimistic?
 
I must admit, I have a beautiful 8 year old daughter who stays with her mother, and I only see her part of the week, and I am forever taking pics no matter where we are.

We always go to the same park just outside Glasgow, and no-one ever bats an eyelid!

Last summer we were 'trying' to fly a kite (with not a lot of success), purely because I had my 40D with battery grip and lens, trying to get shots, while running with the kite getting it airborne!!

My god, I probably looked a complete numpty, and that could have been grounds for complaint, as i was making a pigs ear trying to do too many things at once!!LOL!!!

On the Plus side, my wife is a Police officer, who would always have her warrant card on her, so if anyone suggested calling the police, I would just have given her a shout!!

But seriously, NO-ONE is ever going to tell me to stop taking pics of my own daughter, the time I have with her is the MOST precious time in the world, and if i want to capture that on camera, then thats what I will do!! I would never take pics of her with other children, unless it was ones we know!.

Anyway - Rant Over!

Cheers
J

www.justinmoirphotography.co.uk
 
joxby said:
Whichever way you cut it, I don't see the photographer winning.

So the police are called, they arrive and everyone has their say.
The easiest way out of this situation for the Police is to remove the photographer, this is made very simple by arresting and charging the tog with causing public harassment, alarm or distress........or antisocial behaviour or some other crap.
The fact that the parents have no right or reason to be harassed, alarmed or distressed is irrelevant, the fact that they are makes it quite difficult for the Police to allow the tog to continue.
So now you have paranoiac, misinformed, ignorant over protective parents deciding who can do what and where by the level of distress and alarm they display to the Police that they call.
"You can shoot what you want in a public place as long as nobody objects" isn't quite how I thought photography in a public place would be.
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And there lies the thin edge of the wedge.

Is that truly the society you want to live in? If not then stand up for yourself. The first photographer probably won't win, neither will the 100th, but the 1000th is in with a chance, and 100,000 all hitting the courts at once?
 
trapper501 said:
I was in Friesland in the Netherlands a few weeks back in a little town called makkum,.
the water was frozen and families and kids were out skating on the canals. I went out with my camera with the 70-200 on so it was pretty obvious and took loads of shots. Nobody batted an eyelid, and I wasn't known at all in the town.

This is very much a British problem, possibly just an English one.
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I completely agree.
I was in Ireland last weekend and took my nephew down the park and spent about 30 minutes just running round with him and taking pictures. No one even looked like they were upset or annoyed at this, mainly cos they were too busy laughing at me making a prat of myself by pulling faces at him most of the time!:D
 
So the problem is basically the Daily Mail readers?

Great.:razz:
 
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