I followed a TP Business thread that didn't end in argument...

dejongj said:
Also very true :) and you were in the company of a lady, so I don't think you fit the profile.
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I'm not sure inflatable ingrid his plastic pal qualifies as a lady
 
MWHCVT said:
I'm not sure Sarah, all I know is I'm not feeling the same passion I once had for this forum...in used to love spending plenty of time in all the critique sections but just struggle to do even that now :(
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to be fair i'd suspect you are taking some time to bounce back from all that s***e last year... it affected me the same way but I am more of a gobs***e may be harder to hurt

That aside the main thing that put me off the crit is the dummy spitting - that is a natural consequence of the site getting larger , and indeed of the prevailing flickr/facebook culture which we see across the whole interwebs
 
dejongj said:
Also very true :) and you were in the company of a lady, so I don't think you fit the profile.
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That was no lady that was a TP member :D
 
big soft moose said:
That aside the main thing that put me off the crit is the dummy spitting - that is a natural consequence of the site getting larger , and indeed of the prevailing flickr/facebook culture which we see across the whole interwebs
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Yep - I think the Flickr / Facebook culture has a lot to answer for . . . or maybe I'm just getting old.

* Be very, very careful how you respond to that last bit or I may decide to pretend that this is Barry Boys for a moment :p *
 
SarahLee said:
. or maybe I'm just getting old.
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assuming thats you in your avatar you can't be muchmore than 25 so you have nothing to worry about on that score ;)





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big soft moose said:
to be fair i'd suspect you are taking some time to bounce back from all that s***e last year... it affected me the same way but I am more of a gobs***e may be harder to hurt
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Possibly so buddy

big soft moose said:
That aside the main thing that put me off the crit is the dummy spitting - that is a natural consequence of the site getting larger , and indeed of the prevailing flickr/facebook culture which we see across the whole interwebs
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As to the dummy spitting I don't really care about the dummy spits, in fact I find them amusing to a certain extent
 
Well done all - we've shot straight passed 30 and no fallings out - lots of P-taking (as it should be) but no death threats :)

I pretty much stopped with offering crit too as...

1 - it was ignored if they didn't like it
2 - dummies flew
3 - the comment often came back... "Well I like it" - which is actually fine, but you don't learn with that attitude; and my ALL-TIME FAV...
4 - "Well my clients like it" - an attitude that is helping to destroy Pro 'quality' work

I do miss those Wedding threads :D

Dave
 
I find I have to push for crit on my photos. I have had photos completely ripped into, BUT it was constructive. I would rsther that than no crit. It anoys me when you title some thing with crit and no one replys, I usually assume because the photos are no good but would still like to know why. Constructive crit to me is very important in the lurning curve
 
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Raptor Mike said:
I find I have to push for crit on my photos. I have had photos completely ripped into, BUT it was constructive. I would rsther that than no crit. It anoys me when you title some thing with crit and no one replys, I usually assume because the photos are no good but would still like to know why. Constructive crit to me is very important in the lurning curve
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I appreciate that's annoying, but giving 'proper' crit is actually quite hard and I've been 'trained' to do it too and I've acted as judge at club comps :)

If it helps - when asking for crit give as much info about the shot as you can and especially what the aim was too, and if you can also pinpoint the area you want crit on (rather than 'everything about it') that also helps

Dave
 
DG Phototraining said:
4 - "Well my clients like it" - an attitude that is helping to destroy Pro 'quality' work
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Especially when it turned ou that the "clients" were actually friends not paying customers . This is what i mean about the Farcebook attitude "mummy says I is speshul so my photos are all brill innit"
 
the other thing thats helped to destroy effective crit giving on this site is the fellow traveller effect , whereby someone gives honest crit and is then set upon by four or five other members who get offened on behalf of the original poster (who may not even be upset himself) , they are then joined by all the usual suspects who like a good fight and/or have their own axes to grind with the crit giver and there goes a perfectly good thread.

If anyone else steps in to support the orrginal crit then they are accused of elitism and spun as though the people giving crit are in the wrong for daring to say anything about such a wonderful picture.

It doesnt happen every time ,but it its happened enough to put a lot of people off putting their heads above the crit parapet
 
At the end of the day if you ask for crit then you or no one else should go off on one if its not want you want to hear, as long as its constructive. You you've ask for an opinion but are no obliged to agree. Everyone has their own tastes so no one is going to have the same opinion. If constructive the person giving the crit is only trying to help and I really don't get it when people go off on one at them. If you don't want too hear bad things about your photos, don't ask for crit. (Buy you I mean people in general lol).
 
DG Phototraining said:
I appreciate that's annoying, but giving 'proper' crit is actually quite hard and I've been 'trained' to do it too and I've acted as judge at club comps :)

If it helps - when asking for crit give as much info about the shot as you can and especially what the aim was too, and if you can also pinpoint the area you want crit on (rather than 'everything about it') that also helps

Dave
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I will take that advice, thanks :thumbs:
 
MWHCVT said:
Seems very few parts of the forum don't end up in some part of a p***ing contest these days...what on earth happened to the community spirit that was here a couple of years ago...and I don't really buy the idea of the community has got larger being the cause as the level of active members seems to be pretty static even though the total membership has risen...
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Fully agreed. Seems not a thread goes by these days without some trolling/baiting/general bickering.
 
Threads, and indeed members, are easily avoidable.
 
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dejongj said:
From my perspective, when some people find it rude when a potential client is asking for a discount, then what chance is there in a normal conversation.
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My brother summed this up for me a few years ago. He would regularly go to see something advertised for sale in the local paper with half the asking price in his pocket in cash. More often than not, he would return with the item, purchased for half the price the seller originally wanted for it.

His view was "it's just money - it's nothing personal".


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Steve Smith said:
My brother summed this up for me a few years ago. He would regularly go to see something advertised for sale in the local paper with half the asking price in his pocket in cash. More often than not, he would return with the item, purchased for half the price the seller originally wanted for it.

His view was "it's just money - it's nothing personal".


Steve.
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He'd have wasted his & my time if he'd done that with me :D

I once agreed a sale price for a car at £3250 - when the guy turned up with his brother he offered me £3200 as 'all he had'. I made him empty his wallet where he 'found' another £20. I then made him see how much his brother had in his wallet and there was another £15

So - I told him to get in the car and we'd go to the bank, if the bank said all the cash was genuine he could had the keys for £3235 (a £15 saving)

The cash was indeed genuine so the deal was done. As we left the bank I set off to walk in the opposite direction to where we'd come from. He called to me that he wasn't sure where we'd parked the car and he had no idea how to get back to his brother (this was before mobile phone days) - my reply...

Give me £15 and I'll show you - and with that I left him to it :D

Dave
 
I think it is a bit different when you've already agreed a price and then try it on. Now that I think is rude. However when you are in the negotiation stage then why not try it. Worst that could happen is that the other person says no. Nothing to get offended about.
 
neil_g said:
Fully agreed. Seems not a thread goes by these days without some trolling/baiting/general bickering.
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Thing is Neil, one mans comment is another mans troll.

Take this comment. If that was directed at me, i would see that as an attempt at trolling me. Now i am sure i have made similar comments in the past. But due to how many threads are going this way, i try to minimise my smart comments because of this.
 
it was more tongue in cheek to be fair. but I was getting very bored with the other person insisting their opinion was correct :D

i'll be the first to admit sometimes I fall for the bait in some threads and it results in a couple of snide comments fired back (in the grand scheme of things I'd like to think that a large percentage of my 20k are positive posts, maybe less so recently in this section where the bickering is taking over). sometimes there's only so much you can take before you opt out of their comments ;)
 
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I get asked to do discount on car valets all the time. It normally on my intermediate valet which is £32 on a standard size car. What sort of tight arse asks for discount off £32?? Higher amounts into the hundreds is one thing, but off what is already a small amount is ridiculous.
 
DG Phototraining said:
He'd have wasted his & my time if he'd done that with me :D

I once agreed a sale price for a car at £3250 - when the guy turned up with his brother he offered me £3200 as 'all he had'. I made him empty his wallet where he 'found' another £20. I then made him see how much his brother had in his wallet and there was another £15

So - I told him to get in the car and we'd go to the bank, if the bank said all the cash was genuine he could had the keys for £3235 (a £15 saving)

The cash was indeed genuine so the deal was done. As we left the bank I set off to walk in the opposite direction to where we'd come from. He called to me that he wasn't sure where we'd parked the car and he had no idea how to get back to his brother (this was before mobile phone days) - my reply...

Give me £15 and I'll show you - and with that I left him to it :D

Dave
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Saying no is one thing.
But that would have resulted in you still looking to sell a car and me buying another, which are, let's face it, easy to come by :-)
 
Raptor Mike said:
Sheep are soooo yesterday lol
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I'm so not down with the kids (ahem) these days

viv1969 said:
More of an alpaca guy? :LOL:
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Does anyone know any good alpaca jokes? I'm tempted to try them out on my football forum and see what happens other than mass confusion. I sadly have a mind block on these and tend to refer to them as alcapas (which I think sounds better to be honest).
 
DG Phototraining said:
I once agreed a sale price for a car at £3250..........

Dave
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Ish that's teet

proper Barnsley teet


I used to read the business section, the ennertainment value was right up there once upon a time, I'm just not ennertained by it any more, nobody can politely disagree, nobody can voice their opinion and leave it they have to give their opinion of other peoples opinions, stuff the thread topic and be a complete dick about it by default.
The forum has changed but it would be daft to expect it not to, that's evolution, you just have to choose carefully the threads/sections you take part in if you don't wanna be involved with the divs.
Actually, its not that different to 4 or 5 years ago, maybe its the sections/threads worth avoiding that have changed, I dunno, the div count is a constant :)
 
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