Has the jubilee made you feel more patriotic?

gman said:
Because you are trying to use an age old tradition in a predominantly Christain country as some form of argument and it will just end up in a silly, waste of time argument about something that will probably never change.

A little like the neds comment earlier, it's just silly. I don't mind, but just don't want to trash the thread either lol
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It's also an age old tradition to give the hoi polloi the day off to celebrate royal occasions, ergo it's a valid comparison.

Same goes for the neds analogy - the raison d'etre for the nuclear deterrent is that by having it "for defence" others will be scared to attack us for fear of retribution, which is exactly the same excuse used by knife-carrying scum.
 
POAH said:
for one we won't have nuclear weapons in our country
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Until the yanks invade anyway :lol:

actually as far as i know the only nuclear weapons in scotland are on the subs at faslane and there's a good chance of the RN base remaining there by agreement

(Its likely that the armed forces will remain federated anyway - I can't see them splitting up and some subs, etc becoming the scottish armed forces - but if they did you'd have your own nukes)
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Celebrating the birth of Christ is a Pagan festival? :suspect:
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He is kinda correct - the date of the 25th was/is a pagan festival. The Christians used the same date for the xmas festival to woo pagans from their cult to he cult of Christianity lol
 
big soft moose said:
Until the yanks invade anyway :lol:

actually as far as i know the only nuclear weapons in scotland are on the subs at faslane and there's a good chance of the RN base remaining there by agreement

(Its likely that the armed forces will remain federated anyway - I can't see them splitting up and some subs, etc becoming the scottish armed forces - but if they did you'd have your own nukes)
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The only nuclear weapons in the uk are at faslane.

Scotland will be neutral and have a defence force like the Swiss
 
Total apathy here i`m afraid.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Celebrating the birth of Christ is a Pagan festival? :suspect:
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yeah but according to the best guess of scientific sources christ may well have been born in september 7BC - the reason we have the date we do is to do with the roman calendar , and the date was put in midwinter to coincide with (and eventually hijack) the pagan festival of yule

just like easter falls on (and is in fact named after) the pagan (saxon) festival of Eostre which also coincides with the celtic pagan festival of Beltain

and halloween coincides with the pagan festival of Samain eve
 
POAH said:
The only nuclear weapons in the uk are at faslane.
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that's not entirely so - there are american nukes at various airbases, plus the RAF will have a bomb store somewhere, plus of course missile subs may call at other UK bases

On the other point the idea of a neutral scotland is interesting - but will cause major ructions in NATO - fo a start it would invalidate the G-I-UK gap strategy for keeping an eye on access to the north atlantic
 
POAH said:
He is kinda correct - the date of the 25th was/is a pagan festival. The Christians used the same date for the xmas festival to woo pagans from their cult to he cult of Christianity lol
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I know that, but it's not celebrated as a pagan festival nowadays, rather as a Christian one.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
I know that, but it's not celebrated as a pagan festival nowadays, rather as a Christian one.
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And again a lot if the traditions of Christmas come from the pagan celebrations, so although a lot of Christians without even realizing out are celebrating a pagan celebration with pagan traditions.
 
mxfun said:
Didn't get time off, would take day off for something that has more meaning to me,wouldn't lose a days pay for people who cost me money in the first place ,have no interest whatsoever in the bloody royals .
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It was a bank holiday, surely you get paid for bank holidays like everyone else.:thinking:
 
Davec223 said:
And again a lot if the traditions of Christmas come from the pagan celebrations, so although a lot of Christians without even realizing out are celebrating a pagan celebration with pagan traditions.
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:shrug:
 
nilagin said:
It was a bank holiday, surely you get paid for bank holidays like everyone else.:thinking:
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I've never been paid for a bank holiday, I've never had a job with the luxury of a day off on it either, bank holidays mean extra work for me. :thumbsdown:
 
Alan Clogwyn said:
I've never been paid for a bank holiday, I've never had a job with the luxury of a day off on it either, bank holidays mean extra work for me. :thumbsdown:
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I thought everyone other than self employed got a paid holiday, or at least a day in lieu if they had to work. I get time and a third for bank holidays, time and a half if I work it voluntarily if needed with day in lieu (again paid at time and a third) I have work colleagues who worked for some firms that would pay double time if they worked a bank holiday.
 
So long as you get your statutory min. holiday entitlement per year then your employer is keeping within their legal obligations.


FITP, since WW2 there has never been an attack with nuclear weapons. You can't say the same for neds with knives. Therefore it's a legitimate reason to say that the nuclear deterrent is for defence.

Also, you could just shoot a knife wielding ned with no harm coming to you. You can't destroy a nuclear equipped country without repercussion.

These are obvious points which is why I said you are being silly, unless they weren't obvious to you.


POAH, so what has been keeping us safe for all these years?
 
gman said:
So long as you get your statutory min. holiday entitlement per year then your employer is keeping within their legal obligations.

FITP, since WW2 there has never been an attack with nuclear weapons. You can't say the same for neds with knives. Therefore it's a legitimate reason to say that the nuclear deterrent is for defence.
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AFAIK we've never been attacked with nuclear weapons at all and indeed the only people who have used them in anger have been our allies.

Nuclear weapons would be completely useless against the enemies we now face in the 21st century, unless you think North Korea or Iran are going to bomb us. Even then their leaders are so unhinged that us also having the bomb is unlikely to be any sort of deterrent.

Also, you could just shoot a knife wielding ned with no harm coming to you.
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Carry a gun, do you?

You can't destroy a nuclear equipped country without repercussion.
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Yes, you can....

Destroy-

Verb:
Put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it.
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These are obvious points which is why I said you are being silly, unless they weren't obvious to you.
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As I said before, they're perfectly valid points, and certainly no sillier than the argument you've just given.

POAH, so what has been keeping us safe for all these years?
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The collapse of the Soviet Union and the lack of any other credible threat from any other nation?
 
lol, sometimes there's no point even trying so I give up.
 
cambsno said:
I really dont get this, how? The joy on many peoples faces over the weekend, the number of street parties and events, the amount of bunting up, reading about people who have met the queen and say it was an amazing experience. They do give a lot of pleasure to people and the vast majority like them.
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Because THEY don't give a toss about US. That's why I hate them. Toffee nosed gits.
Us Brits, any excuse for a p1ss up
 
andy_fozzy said:
Because THEY don't give a toss about US. That's why I hate them. Toffee nosed gits.
Us Brits, any excuse for a p1ss up
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POAH said:
Pretty sure they bring **** all money in to 95% of the country
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take the castle out of edinburgh...you wouldnt have one there if the Royals hadnt built it. That nice jolly fat man who wants to have absolute power over his countryman take scotland forward from the [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] english oppresers rest of the UK will be more a **** than the royals.

As for the banks, if the greedy people didnt want to own lots of stuff they couldnt afford then they wouldnt have lent the money they now cant get back, its not JUST the banks, its the people thinking that borrowing is the way forward :shrug:
 
Edinburgh castle was built by David I (house of Dunkeld) who was Scottish not german - big difference.

although I couldn't give a crap about edinburgh or the castle lol

matty said:
take the castle out of edinburgh...you wouldnt have one there if the Royals hadnt built it. That nice jolly fat man who wants to have absolute power over his countryman take scotland forward from the [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] english oppresers rest of the UK will be more a **** than the royals.

As for the banks, if the greedy people didnt want to own lots of stuff they couldnt afford then they wouldnt have lent the money they now cant get back, its not JUST the banks, its the people thinking that borrowing is the way forward :shrug:
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matty said:
take the castle out of edinburgh...you wouldnt have one there if the Royals hadnt built it. That nice jolly fat man who wants to have absolute power over his countryman take scotland forward from the [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] english oppresers rest of the UK will be more a **** than the royals.

As for the banks, if the greedy people didnt want to own lots of stuff they couldnt afford then they wouldnt have lent the money they now cant get back, its not JUST the banks, its the people thinking that borrowing is the way forward :shrug:
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You're not suggesting that the royals who built Edinburgh Castle are from the German lineage that currently occupies the UK throne are you, Matt?
 
matty said:
take the castle out of edinburgh...you wouldnt have one there if the Royals hadnt built it. That nice jolly fat man who wants to have absolute power over his countryman take scotland forward from the [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] english oppresers rest of the UK will be more a **** than the royals.

As for the banks, if the greedy people didnt want to own lots of stuff they couldnt afford then they wouldnt have lent the money they now cant get back, its not JUST the banks, its the people thinking that borrowing is the way forward :shrug:
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Money is debt. If people did not borrow every single economy would collapse. Until you understand how money works you will never understand why banks have the power they do.

As for the monarchy, I couldn't give a toss how much money they receive, but I do care about what they stand for.
 
POAH said:
Nuclear weapons are not the thing keeping us safe and we dont want them in Scotland.
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They provide thousands of jobs and hundreds of skilled jobs. They won't be replaced anytime soon.

big soft moose said:
Until the yanks invade anyway :lol:

actually as far as i know the only nuclear weapons in scotland are on the subs at faslane and there's a good chance of the RN base remaining there by agreement

(Its likely that the armed forces will remain federated anyway - I can't see them splitting up and some subs, etc becoming the scottish armed forces - but if they did you'd have your own nukes)
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RNAD Coulport stores them, which is why the independence scenario is a problem given the cost of building Coulport was only second to the Channel Tunnel. Bases in England can do what Faslane does, but Coulport is unique for the UK.

On topic the BBC coverage was awful, but the whole spectacle did stir the patriotic blood.
 
It did for me, surprisingly. Although I'm undecided about the monarchy I think the Queen's conduct over 60 years has been impeccable and she deserves all the respect she gets.

I was fortunate that I have a very long view from the back of my house and could see 3 beacons lit (I think only one was official) and it looked incredible. Reminded me of the scene from Lord of the Rings with the billows of smoke against the pink sky and huge flames visible from many many miles away.
 
POAH said:
Edinburgh castle was built by David I (house of Dunkeld) who was Scottish not german - big difference.

although I couldn't give a crap about edinburgh or the castle lol
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Flash In The Pan said:
You're not suggesting that the royals who built Edinburgh Castle are from the German lineage that currently occupies the UK throne are you, Matt?
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youre both missing the point, Royalty built it...it draws people in..weve had Royals from just about everywhere EXCEPT england...it wouldnt matter which royal lineage we had now, its the ROYAL bit that we're talking about, not which faction...
 
The23rdman said:
Money is debt. If people did not borrow every single economy would collapse. Until you understand how money works you will never understand why banks have the power they do.

As for the monarchy, I couldn't give a toss how much money they receive, but I do care about what they stand for.
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and economies are going to collapse because people borrowed too much, no?
 
Has the celebration of a largely inbred multi-billionaire's reign over a country that has fought, died and been enslaved by her and her ancestors for the last 1000 years made me feel more patriotic?

At a push, I'd say no.
 
matty said:
youre both missing the point, Royalty built it...it draws people in..weve had Royals from just about everywhere EXCEPT england...it wouldnt matter which royal lineage we had now, its the ROYAL bit that we're talking about, not which faction...
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Fair enough, I see your point, however as Edinburgh Castle proves, there doesn't have to be any current Royal connection to attract tourists.
 
matty said:
youre both missing the point, Royalty built it...it draws people in..weve had Royals from just about everywhere EXCEPT england...it wouldnt matter which royal lineage we had now, its the ROYAL bit that we're talking about, not which faction...
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Nope not missing any point, scottish royalty built it that's the difference - id have no problem with a Scottish king in scotland but that's not ever going to happen again.
 
hang on though, if there had been no royals then there would be no castle there, so no tourists to see it...
 
Right POAH, I have enough of your gingoism...if you hate the English and everything we stand for that much, stop wittering on in our wonderful language and start conversing in Scotland's tongue.
 
POAH said:
don't you mean you got your ass handed to you on a plate and you're giving up :lol:
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Not really as there's several mistakes in his post but when someone starts quoting point by point with replies (with errors) then it's quite obvious it's going to turn into a long drawn out debate over something which isn't worth wasting the time on - time which I clearly don't have and he probably does, judging by his post count.

I don't mind that Graham disagrees and it's no bad thing that he takes an interest in debating and at least he makes the effort to post some detailed replies on here. I just don't have the time or inclination to get into a debate that really has no meaningful end result for either of us.

Not that you care but I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt over recent weeks as you were receiving a lot of negative attention. A rather embarrassing mistake.

I sense quite a rhetoric of anti-English sentiment in your tone and whether it true or not, as I'm sure you wouldn't dare admit it on here anyway, I'm fed up with all the chip-on-shoulder Braveheart crap. England is constantly blamed and moaned at and I personally think it's quite insulting all things considered. A lot of people up here need to grow up and take some responsibility.


EDIT: Looks like I'm not the only one who is seeing the anti-English attitude.
 
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