Give me 6 bullets right now !!!

Phil V said:
This? It's like the RSPCA inviting local toerags to kill the dogs no-one wants for a fee that'll help towards RSPCA funds. I'm afraid anyone who would pay to do this is a flawed human being. Having to do it for a job makes sense.
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Whether or not, you understand the morality or the mind set of people that are prepared to do this,
if a given animal is going to die, why not earn some money for conservation out of it?

As for the RSPCA, they are many things, but I think even they would draw the line at that ;)
 
Cobra said:
Wildlife management and poaching are two totally separate issues.
Poaching is indiscriminate killing for horns / tusks etc. for profit.

Wildlife management is taking out the sick, or aged, (etc) to prevent a lingering death.
And indeed the deformed, to keep the genes pure.
Its something goes on all the time. including in this country, with the deer.
Rather than the rangers doing it as part of their job, they "sell" the "job" for big bucks to help fund more conservation,
and that includes trying to hunt down the poachers.
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This is the most apt point I'm this thread. I was always totally against this sort of thing, but being pragmatic if the end result if longer term conservation then it is the lesser of 2 evils.

Ultimately if we want to be outraged with this, we should be similarly outraged with all the hunting, game shooting etc that goes on in this country and Europe.
 
akr said:
This is the most apt point I'm this thread. I was always totally against this sort of thing, but being pragmatic if the end result if longer term conservation then it is the lesser of 2 evils.

Ultimately if we want to be outraged with this, we should be similarly outraged with all the hunting, game shooting etc that goes on in this country and Europe.
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Absolutely on both counts :thumbs:
Starlings for example have been on the protected list for sometime, their numbers are declining, and that has a lot to do with a certain European race shooting the
hell out of them "on passage"
 
Cobra said:
Wildlife management and poaching are two totally separate issues.
Poaching is indiscriminate killing for horns / tusks etc. for profit.

Wildlife management is taking out the sick, or aged, (etc) to prevent a lingering death.
And indeed the deformed, to keep the genes pure.
Its something goes on all the time. including in this country, with the deer.
Rather than the rangers doing it as part of their job, they "sell" the "job" for big bucks to help fund more conservation,
and that includes trying to hunt down the poachers.
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If that was the case for this Rhino then I do see the point if the money goes back into conservation not ideal but ok if ìt helps to save them
As I said on the other thread I don't understand how someone would get pleasure out of killing something like a rhino tho
 
LCPete said:
I don't understand how someone would get pleasure out of killing something like a rhino tho
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True enough, but as I've said, if its gonna die ( for what ever legitimate reason) you, they that is, may as well take their money
and put it towards something positive.

Slightly different I know, but I've worked for people I didn't like, but at the end of the day, it didn't stop me taking their money.
 
LCPete said:
If that was the case for this Rhino then I do see the point if the money goes back into conservation not ideal but ok if ìt helps to save them
As I said on the other thread I don't understand how someone would get pleasure out of killing something like a rhino tho
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It's a tough one, I do appreciate enjoying the hunt. Killing itself doesn't do it for me.

Sometimes people should be glad that there are people out there willing to do those hard jobs. It seems in this case it was for the right reasons, although the photo would then be tasteless as they seem to enjoy it too much. Unfortunately in all sorts of areas people have to watch and do things that can be unthinkable for other people.
 
dejongj said:
Unfortunately in all sorts of areas people have to watch and do things that can be unthinkable for other people.
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Absolutely, I know a couple of people that would be out of a job, if that was not the case ;)
 
Cobra said:
Absolutely, I know a couple of people that would be out of a job, if that was not the case ;)
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The people that I know rather be out of a job, as if they didn't have to do their job then it would be a fantastic thing for society. Unfortunately i don't think that day will ever come.
 
new2me said:
Where's the backstory to lead you to say that?
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Whilst I've not see an evidenced link, several in this thread seem to suggest it was for conservation purposes. I have no reason to disbelieve them, especially as the OP was without link, and actually several year late.

It is one of those things, by lack of information which side do you believe.
 
new2me said:
Where's the backstory to lead you to say that?
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I think it may have something to do with the amount of crap he comes out with :rolleyes:

dejongj said:
Whilst I've not see an evidenced link, several in this thread seem to suggest it was for conservation purposes. I have no reason to disbelieve them, especially as the OP was without link, and actually several year late.

It is one of those things, by lack of information which side do you believe.
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Conservation my arse, do you really believe any responsable person involved with conservation would pose for a photo like that :wacky:
 
Neil B said:
I think it may have something to do with the amount of crap he comes out with :rolleyes:



Conservation my arse, do you really believe any responsable person involved with conservation would pose for a photo like that :wacky:
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Hey Neil B, you posted this photo up. I questioned where the backstory is? So where is it?

Perhaps you should try and read what people write before coming out with your nasty prejudices.
 
I don't give a flying f*** what the story is, i see people gloating over the destruction of a innocent animal.
My level of what i find humanly acceptable towards animals is obviously higher than yours.
 
Neil B said:
Conservation my arse, do you really believe any responsable person involved with conservation would pose for a photo like that :wacky:
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The hunters themselves are not interested in conservation.
But in many cases, the often vast sums of money they pay to legally hunt one of these large trophy animals in African countries goes to conservation efforts locally.
 
a bullet is too good for those who kill such endangered wildlife ……….

of course it is usually the tasteless rich but also local poachers and game wardens are responsible because of the value of Rhino horn in the Asian market …. and the Chinese are in Mozambique in force "helping" the country ………. "helping" themselves to as much timber and animal parts as they can get


US$100,000 plus about US$20,000 a day is now the going rate in Mozambique for a White Rhino or Elephant .. that's what they pay to kill one Rhino (and that's not all they kill)

Was told this by a young S African who works on such "Safari's" - he also said the tips were far better than what he was paid by the "organisers"

But I think that this year they have been wiped out completely from Mozambique ……. by hunters and poachers/some corrupt game wardens ……. they have killed them all

The S Africans are now thinking of erecting fences along the boarder to stop SA Rhinos, straying into Mozambique or indeed Mozambique poachers entering SA …… but it won't stop them, the poachers I mean, until they have killed them all as the Mozambique Government take little action against such or anyone who is involved.
 
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Neil B said:
I don't give a flying f*** what the story is, i see people gloating over the destruction of a innocent animal.
My level of what i find humanly acceptable towards animals is obviously higher than yours.
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Right so you haven't got a clue, see a picture which is (as I said previously tasteless) but then jump to conclusions for the reasoning and origin behind it....And then somehow, whilst knowing nothing about it, other than them looking very smug, you think you are somewhat better than other people...Interesting.
 
Cobra said:
Whether or not, you understand the morality or the mind set of people that are prepared to do this,
if a given animal is going to die, why not earn some money for conservation out of it?
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I think the argument would be that you normalise the behaviour. I'd rather these animals were euthanized as a solemn act by those that do it because they have to, not because they enjoy it.

However, we live in the real world, and unless governments start treating biodiversity as a priority, there will never be sufficient funds for conservation work. So, as a lesser of two evils, I would rather see paid hunters subsidising conservation work than a species die out because we were too squeamish to make the hard choices. Future generations might criticise us for it, but at least they'll have live rhinos to look at.

The thing I find most troubling about that picture is the rather blatant nationalism. Yeah, you've killed a (hopefully) old, sick rhino. Well done you, with your highly powered rifle and expert local guide doing the skillful bit for you. But why drape a flag over it?


Edit to remove annoying American auto-correct spellings.
 
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BillN_33 said:
because some American feel that they are at the very very top of "the food chain" - they are the top predators and want everyone to know
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Yet at the same time they're are a very paranoid country. Whether it be communism, atheism, immigration, the environmental movement, Islam, universal healthcare... there's always some existential threat to the 'American Way of Life'. Still, this sounds a like a topic worthy of it's own thread, so I'll leave it there.

Maybe I should open a rhino-hunting park in Montana or something. Would make a killing (pun intended).
 
Llamaman said:
Yet at the same time they're are a very paranoid country. Whether it be communism, atheism, immigration, the environmental movement, Islam, universal healthcare... there's always some existential threat to the 'American Way of Life'. Still, this sounds a like a topic worthy of it's own thread, so I'll leave it there.

Maybe I should open a rhino-hunting park in Montana or something. Would make a killing (pun intended).
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If you put in Buffalos and called them Ringos …. they would never know that they weren't Rhinos
 
PaulF said:
Two minutes on google would suggest the photo in the op is a of a rhino that was shot with a tranquilliser dart as part of a 'green hunt' then examined by a vet for any issues and woken up to go on it's way.
http://gothunts.com/hunting/rhino-hunting/

Can everyone calm down a bit now :)
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Good find, although some here undoubtedly prefer the imaginary version ;)
 
PaulF said:
Two minutes on google would suggest the photo in the op is a of a rhino that was shot with a tranquilliser dart as part of a 'green hunt' then examined by a vet for any issues and woken up to go on it's way.
http://gothunts.com/hunting/rhino-hunting/
Can everyone calm down a bit now :)
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Yes, good find. I found other things associated with the picture yesterday, but much prefer to accept that this one is genuine and everything in the world really is good.
 
ianp5a said:
Yes. Not an easy one. Mass opinion surely doesn't.
I position it with the "unnecessary" killing of an intelligent animal.
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Far point. But does that mean you think hunting unintelligent species is OK?
 
new2me said:
Yes, good find. I found other things associated with the picture yesterday, but much prefer to accept that this one is genuine and everything in the world really is good.
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You make a fair point. Does anyone still know the true story behind it?
 
Llamaman said:
Does it have to be the whole species? 'Cos I've met a few people who are slightly dimmer than pigeons.
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That makes them geniuses compared to a few others! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Well I was thinking about the suffering. And if you step on an ant by accident there might be less suffering. I was trying to separate the cruelty aspect.
Hey! Many of the people I work with are unintelligent.
 
ianp5a said:
Well I was thinking about the suffering. And if you step on an ant by accident there might be less suffering. I was trying to separate the cruelty aspect.
Hey! Many of the people I work with are unintelligent.
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a 'good' marksman/hunter (note the ' marks) will try to avoid any suffering. But see your point
 
PaulF said:
Two minutes on google would suggest the photo in the op is a of a rhino that was shot with a tranquilliser dart as part of a 'green hunt' then examined by a vet for any issues and woken up to go on it's way.
http://gothunts.com/hunting/rhino-hunting/

Can everyone calm down a bit now :)
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dejongj said:
Good find, although some here undoubtedly prefer the imaginary version ;)
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I said that there are no more White Rhinos left in Mozambique

see post #97

That is not imaginary

If this is some kind of "anti hunting" image showing that the Americans are responsible for the extinction, they are not the main problem, China in particular and the Far East in general is - they don't shoot them, they just pay other to do the job
 
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PaulF said:
Two minutes on google would suggest the photo in the op is a of a rhino that was shot with a tranquilliser dart as part of a 'green hunt' then examined by a vet for any issues and woken up to go on it's way.
http://gothunts.com/hunting/rhino-hunting/

Can everyone calm down a bit now :)
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Really?

I did a quick google myself

Page one contained multiple links to various articles that suggest a very different story, for instance:

This: https://www.thedodo.com/community/fightforrhinos/poaching-kingpin-in-america-783879806.html

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This: http://fightforrhinos.com/2014/10/26/poaching-kingpin-in-america/
 
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Keith W said:
Really?

I did a quick google myself

Page one contained multiple links to various articles that suggest a very different story, for instance:

This: https://www.thedodo.com/community/fightforrhinos/poaching-kingpin-in-america-783879806.html

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This: http://fightforrhinos.com/2014/10/26/poaching-kingpin-in-america/
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Yes, I saw those too, the only site I saw that actually labelled the image was the hunting site with the green hunting section I linked to earlier, it also seemed to have an explanation as to the image. All the others seemed to have used the image for their own purpose.
 
viv1969 said:
The hunters themselves are not interested in conservation.
But in many cases, the often vast sums of money they pay to legally hunt one of these large trophy animals in African countries goes to conservation efforts locally.
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If that were true do you not think that the good old Yanks would not be shouting about how they saved all of Africa's wildlife from illegal poaching :thinking:
My issue is with how we treat and the attitude we have towards wildlife.


Keith W said:
Really?

I did a quick google myself

Page one contained multiple links to various articles that suggest a very different story, for instance:

This: https://www.thedodo.com/community/fightforrhinos/poaching-kingpin-in-america-783879806.html

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This: http://fightforrhinos.com/2014/10/26/poaching-kingpin-in-america/
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Well found and much closer to the truth, surprised Pedro the bullfighter hasn't sniffed this one out yet :meh: :indifferent:
 
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