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People want to shoot people for enjoying a legal passtime that doesn't harm other people other than their piety. Ok.
and please use their services
Give me 6 bullets right now !!!
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People want to shoot people for enjoying a legal passtime that doesn't harm other people other than their piety. Ok.
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It's probably beyond you. I'll rephrase.
Animal hunting is legal and people enjoy it. It harms no people. Well it does harm the pious (if you don't know what that means look it up) people of the internet.
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And self righteousness. There is a lot of it here. Many don't agree with capital punishment for crimes against people, but are happy to kill recreational hunters. I for the life of me cannot get the logic of that.
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Thanks for the translation
Whilst I think they're scumbags, I wouldn't agree that they should be shot, and I would go out on a limb and suggest neither does the OP. There's lots of legal things I don't advocate, just as there are illegal things you would happily condone
You trying to take the moral high ground though... That's just made my day
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Thanks for the translation
Whilst I think they're scumbags, I wouldn't agree that they should be shot, and I would go out on a limb and suggest neither does the OP. There's lots of legal things I don't advocate, just as there are illegal things you would happily condone
You trying to take the moral high ground though... That's just made my day
The OP asked for six bullets, and there are six people in the image. The direction of the thread, and the one prior to this with a similar subject (dead large animals in africa killed by hunters) was that internet people wanted to kill said hunter(s) and/or reveled in their death for hunting.
Yet so many here are against the death penalty yet happy to see hunters die? I am curious as to why. Nothing to do with the moral high ground, just the lack of constancy in the logic of people.
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And you take the 'want to kill' seriously.
That's the difference between us, I can't accept that decent people would be serious saying that, it's an expression of outrage rather than a threat to endanger life. I think as a responsible citizen, if you believe it to be a credible threat you should inform the authorities immediately.
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And you take the 'want to kill' seriously.
That's the difference between us, I can't accept that decent people would be serious saying that, it's an expression of outrage rather than a threat to endanger life. I think as a responsible citizen, if you believe it to be a credible threat you should inform the authorities immediately.
Its all in print. Why are people outraged about people enjoying a fun and legal pass time? I enjoy how most of the outraged people over dead hunted animals enjoy eating meat? Where does meat come from?
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There is nothing morally wrong with hunting. If you think there is, then you shouldn't eat meat.
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That depends on what you are hunting. Do you think those guys are going to eat that rhino?
Because it is the law somewhere, it does not make it good or right. Don't blindly respect all laws because some government chooses them.
Because it is the law somewhere, it does not make it good or right. Don't blindly respect all laws because some government chooses them.
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I thought you didn't drink?
So it's OK to kill a person for wanting to flee being murdered (if the destination is a foreign country to them), but killing someone because they're clearly dangerous is wrong (there's proven links between psychopathic tendencies and animal cruelty)?
Seriously, do you honestly believe that everyone who disapproves of hunting big game is a Buddist?
Killing an ant is fine, killing 'vermin' is fine, killing a wild animal (in plentiful supply) for food is fine. Killing an animal for a trophy is sick. I'd have thought that was quite straightforward. There's no hypocrisy involved there.
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And I'd happily eat meat that is ethically hunted too, in fact the choice between a venison steak from an animal that's lived a happy life and is shot to control numbers is ethically better than a pork steak from an intensive pig farm.
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Thats where we differ.
I don't. Doesn't matter to me what they are hunted for, they end up dead, end result is the same for them.
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I don't drink alcohol, I do not see what your comment means.I thought you didn't drink?
Yes if they are entering your country illegally.
No, its fun. Like fox hunting and bull fighting. Culturally significant and fun.
Animal ends up dead, it matters no why its killed for it, do you think vermin will find it of consolation they were killed because we had to kill them? We are top of the food tree and thus IMHO we decide what lives and what doesn't.
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Fair enough
Serious question again though (and I'm no veggie)....in these midern times, with all the alternatives freely available, couldn't the vast majority killings of animals be classed as somewhat unnecessary?
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Speeding, death by being shot in the face for starters
Great to see your buddies have turned up :meh: :indifferent:
If you drive, then you are guilty of speeding. If you say excess speeding, and this is well known as the penalty, fair do(s). It would stop people doing this.
What other things should recieve the death penalty, tax dodging? Drink driving, drug abuse, drug dealing? What...don't stop now., you're on a roll
PS, who are my buddies?
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I was being humorous, as your post doesn't make sense to me coming from a sober intelligent being
Then you don't understand the term refugee and how international law protects people fleeing persecution. Asylum seekers aren't illegal immigrants, but idiots and the right wing media often don't comprehend the difference and conflate the 2.
Slavery was considered culturally significant once, it doesn't make it right in the modern world, some things we just have to grow out of.
Here we agree, I don't care what the vermin thinks, I'm the intelligent one, and the one in control. My comfort is significantly more important than the life of the animal. But 'killing for fun' is something which I believe to show a personality disorder and where we disagree.
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I was being humorous, as your post doesn't make sense to me coming from a sober intelligent being
So because the view and argument is different to yours you assume the person is drunk and isn't intelligent. Ok.
I am not. People need to seek asylum. Why circumvent border security where there is the ample opportunity to seek asylum. Why travel across Europe to seek asylum in Britain when you can seek it in Italy? Whats the matter, is Italy not nice enough for them? Separate thread.
A flawed argument. Slavery was against people, not animals. Slavery was also at odds with the Christian religion too.
People that like different things to you don't have personality disorders. You might not approve of hunting and blood sports, but many do.
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The case for hunting was based on a 'necessity' according to the hunting lobby. They kept quiet about the 'fun' bit.
We do have a 'need' for eating meat. But yes, whether the 'amount' we farm is necessary, could be questioned.Fair enough
Serious question again though (and I'm no veggie)....in these midern times, with all the alternatives freely available, couldn't the vast majority killings of animals be classed as somewhat unnecessary?
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Because no-one had suggested that all life was worth the same and there is no need to ever kill animals which you suggested here...
So I joked that such an irrational argument might be down to alcohol, should I have just gone straight to assuming stupid?
It's a separate thread, but I was sure you'd advocated shooting them whilst in the Med in the past.
People are free to enjoy their pastime, but there's plenty of documented evidence that psychopathic behaviour often includes the killing and torturing of animals before moving on to humans, it's not about me 'not liking it'. It's science, I apologise if that's beyond your comprehension.
These type of presumably well managed trophy hunts can actually benefit the rhino population. Say an older rhino that isn't breeding or is aggressive and the big money paid by Americans, or whoever to hunt it will help employ Africans in conservation.
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And when there are no more animals to conserve,because we have shot them all or poached them ?
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We might think we do, but given that altetnative sources of protein are widely available, we don't need it....we merely like it.
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So those you do not like are stupid. Why are you always so cantankerous when someone disagrees with you.
It's a separate thread, but I was sure you'd advocated shooting them whilst in the Med in the past.
Yes, because I think its an invasion of our countries.
So all hunters are going to end up killing people. Thats a very tenuous link to make. Hunters do not get pleasure from the torture of animals, and again thats a tenuous claim you make there. Animal hunters are not lethal killers to people.
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...we merely like it.
Like it??? I love meat. My day is incomplete without meat and chocolate. The more of these things the better IMHO.
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Yes exactly
there's only a few Rhino left with poaching and dips***s like these guys shooting them they will be gone in a few years
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No, I joked, not cantankerous, it was ludicrous to make a leap to all killing of animals, I was pointing that out in a fun way, you refusing to accept that it was stupid is what gets us to here
I thought you'd accepted the principal of asylum seeking? Now it becomes invasion? This is where the jokes start then?
Another wild leap?
Enjoying killing is definitely a sign of a personality disorder according to psychologists, that's just factual. If you are happy to admit to enjoy killing, that's fine. And of course if you feel that way, you're bound to see it as 'normal', that's how personality works. However, it's not just about me disagreeing with you, it's scientific.
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Wildlife management and poaching are two totally separate issues.And when there are no more animals to conserve,because we have shot them all or poached them ?
Poaching is indiscriminate killing for horns / tusks etc. for profit.
Wildlife management is taking out the sick, or aged, (etc) to prevent a lingering death.
And indeed the deformed, to keep the genes pure.
Its something goes on all the time. including in this country, with the deer.
Rather than the rangers doing it as part of their job, they "sell" the "job" for big bucks to help fund more conservation,
and that includes trying to hunt down the poachers.
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Ignoring the old testament, because lets face it, the Christian Old Testament version of God wasn't just in favour of slavery, but rape, incest and murder too.
Here's a couple from the New Testament (proper Jesus the hippy who loves you type of religion)
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
Apologies if I've offended anyone else, Steve brought up Christianity to distance himself from the slavery thing, I had no choice
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Exactly...but that's very different to requiring it
True; But why merely survive in this world when you have the means to thrive.
None of us need d800 cameras and sharp Zeiss lenses, but hey, we have them because we want them and can.
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This I can understand...
This? It's like the RSPCA inviting local toerags to kill the dogs no-one wants for a fee that'll help towards RSPCA funds. I'm afraid anyone who would pay to do this is a flawed human being. Having to do it for a job makes sense.
This? It's like the RSPCA inviting local toerags to kill the dogs no-one wants for a fee that'll help towards RSPCA funds. I'm afraid anyone who would pay to do this is a flawed human being. Having to do it for a job makes sense.